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P@ck66 said:Yet TT renogotiated Driver's contract without the walls caving in....
Exactly!!
P@ck66 said:Yet TT renogotiated Driver's contract without the walls caving in....
P@ck66 said:So TT should have done the same when Walker first approached him in quiet....before TT drove him to seek the media spotlight....
net is a former sport writer who has a very solid football mind.
all about da packers said:net is a former sport writer who has a very solid football mind.
I do not mean to be rude, but the fact that he suggested franchising Green raises red flags about that statement.
If any of his conjecture was true, even the slightest bit, then you'd think any one of the other writers who regularly cover the Packers would have hinted as such.
However that is not the case.
Once again, I may have overreacted, but net I do disagree with your viewpoint on this one.
True that, I wanna keep Green too, but I don't think he's worth the Franchise tender. I really don't see many teams knocking on the door to pick up a 30 yr old RB these days.
all about da packers said:Bruce said:net is a former sport writer who has a very solid football mind.
I do not mean to be rude, but the fact that he suggested franchising Green raises red flags about that statement.
If any of his conjecture was true, even the slightest bit, then you'd think any one of the other writers who regularly cover the Packers would have hinted as such.
However that is not the case.
Once again, I may have overreacted, but net I do disagree with your viewpoint on this one.
1. I don't cover the Packers now. In the 1980's I had locker room access. Forrest Gregg one time told me to take a step back before I shoved my microphone into his tonsils. That was more than 20 years ago.
2. I suggested franchising as a way to keep Green on board. It was a SUGGESTION MADE BY A FAN, just like the SUGGESTIONs YOU MAKE. It is designed for discussion, just like the ideas you have.
To me, it makes a good deal of sense. It pays Green in the upper echelon of players, but doesn't commit them to a long-term deal if it doesn't work out. Who would you like to franchise? Junius Coston?
3. I started the discussion on Ted Thompson from the viewpoint of a person who wonders about some of Ted's actions, rather than simply accepting everything done in the Packers front office as a new chapter of the Bible.
all about da packers said:Hey net, Ted dished out the money for Kampan, Pickett, Hawk (if he was cheap, he'd have traded down to save money), signed Wells to an extension, and dished out the big bucks to Manuel.
If he was cheap, he'd have done none of that. He also signed Bubba Franks to a 5 year contract. Signed Driver to an extension, dished out almost 3.5 million per year to Sherman..... not the signs of a cheap man!
You post conjecture, I'll retort with conjecture: rumours say he also made an offer to Vinitari to become the highest paid kicker in the history of the NFL...... the work of a cheap man?
As for Ted wanting Rodgers to be the man: Ted has 3 years left on his deal. McCarthy has 2 years left. Historically, coaches haven't done great their first year. So if Ted does bad, McCarthy will post bad records, and will be fired. Ted will have one season to prove his worth, or he will get the boot too.
Brett coming back buys Ted, at the very least, time. He has time to make this team better so Rodgers can have it easier when he takes over.
Faver can still do more with average talent than most QBs in the leauge. Having Favre back makes Ted look even more good than he is doing (hypothetically). He gets more time to build a contender post Favre, and it bodes well for Ted.
Rodgers would have done worse than Brett the past season, if he started. If Rodgers looses confidence, there is a good chance he struggles to get it back. Before we know it, we are looking for another QB. TT is back to square one, and there is a huge threat to his job that he find a QB to come on quickly so Ted can save his job. Either way, having Favre poses well for Ted, and what is well for Ted increases his chances of staying on as GM. Why would he rationally want to jepordize that?
Bruce said:net is a former sport writer who has a very solid football mind.
It is cool to disagree with him and his opinions, but to dismiss them without consideration is ignorant.
net and I have disagreed about many things through the years, but I feel quite confident in saying that we both respect the other enough to always carefully consider what the other has to say.
I think others would be wise to at least consider his opinions before writing them off as a "joke."
I disagree with his opinion on that post. When I read something that has no ground, I dismiss it. If that makes me ignorant, so be it. I'd rather be ignorant than someone who poses opinion off as fact. I'm glad to have read it, I just don't trust much more than 60% of the content. For instance, the Javon Walker comment is completely false and I'm a HUGE Javon Walker fan, but even I know he forced his way out of GB.
I like the different opinion he offered up there, I just don't put much stock into it. Again, if that makes me ignorant, so be it.
Zero2Cool said:True that, I wanna keep Green too, but I don't think he's worth the Franchise tender. I really don't see many teams knocking on the door to pick up a 30 yr old RB these days.
Really? How about Oakland? Cleveland? The Giants just lost Tiki Barber. Ahman would make a nice fill-in.
There's three off the top.
Zero2Cool said:Bruce said:net is a former sport writer who has a very solid football mind.
It is cool to disagree with him and his opinions, but to dismiss them without consideration is ignorant.
net and I have disagreed about many things through the years, but I feel quite confident in saying that we both respect the other enough to always carefully consider what the other has to say.
I think others would be wise to at least consider his opinions before writing them off as a "joke."
I disagree with his opinion on that post. When I read something that has no ground, I dismiss it. If that makes me ignorant, so be it. I'd rather be ignorant than someone who poses opinion off as fact. I'm glad to have read it, I just don't trust much more than 60% of the content. For instance, the Javon Walker comment is completely false and I'm a HUGE Javon Walker fan, but even I know he forced his way out of GB.
I like the different opinion he offered up there, I just don't put much stock into it. Again, if that makes me ignorant, so be it.
Seems like you are posing the above comment without fact. I want you to go back to my original post and show me where I described this as
FACT.
It was posed third-hand. I thought it would be interesting to hear something from someone who actually knew some of the indivduals involved rather than posturing as some kind of "Lord of the Board" as others are want to do.
Discussion is fine. But why must you make it personal?
One last point on Green: washed up and 1000 yards don't seem to match.
So it's smarter to sign him to a two year deal than one(tag)? If he is washed, you are in for only one year.
NFL.com said:one-year deal at the average salary of either the top five (for franchise) or top 10 (for transition) paid players at their position.
P@ck66 said:So TT should have done the same when Walker first approached him in quiet....before TT drove him to seek the media spotlight....
Oops, thought you understood the difference.
Where was Walker at in his career?
Where was Driver at in his career?
After that, read the content I posted about the money Walker got before he donned a NFL uniform, etc.
P@ck66 said:P@ck66 said:So TT should have done the same when Walker first approached him in quiet....before TT drove him to seek the media spotlight....
Oops, thought you understood the difference.
Where was Walker at in his career?
Where was Driver at in his career?
After that, read the content I posted about the money Walker got before he donned a NFL uniform, etc.
Walker didn't want to renogotiate until after year 3 of a what...5 year contract..?? That doesn't seem extreme to me, especially since he was coming off of a pro bowl year...
I believe Walker was pissed because Ferguson was making quite a bit more money than he was at the time, and as the story goes, he approached TTT (Tightwad Ted Thompson) about renogotiating his contract and was rebuffed....this is before he went to the press and hired Rosenhaus..etc...
It's well known, in certain circles, that TT could have avoided this whole scenario if he would have dealt with JW in an upright manner...but he didn't, and it got out of hand...
Driver was rewarded...but imo...after having to wait much too long...
If he would have gotten hurt, he would have been screwed...
These are the things that a good GM is supposed to take care of, (You keep your good players and playmakers happy and on the team), but I see no evidence of this in TT....
P@ck66 said:Of course, that's always your response...it was posted in an article on this very forum...Zero..
I suppose I'll have to dig it up now...
I'll get back to you on it...sigh...
I suggested franchising as a way to keep Green on board. It was a SUGGESTION MADE BY A FAN, just like the SUGGESTIONs YOU MAKE. It is designed for discussion, just like the ideas you have.
To me, it makes a good deal of sense. It pays Green in the upper echelon of players, but doesn't commit them to a long-term deal if it doesn't work out. Who would you like to franchise? Junius Coston?
Some of you won't believe this, but Ted didn't care if Favre showed up or not. In fact, he wanted Rodgers to play so he could see what he had. He wanted an all-new, young team. But he basically was hoping(contrary to public reports and the media) Favre would retire. So his demeanor at the press conference the other day isn't surprising. McCarthy, to his credit, realized that Rodgers wasn't ready and thanked his lucky stars Favre came back. Rodgers may never be ready. Think Jay Cutler.