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[Pugger]

McDermott getting fired for basically doing what MLF has done isn't going to help the anti-MLF's crowd blood pressure.

If you read Bills message boards most of those folks are unhappy their GM wasn't also dismissed.

 

[Pugger]

We had a dud of a second half. All I'm suggesting is we had opportunities in certain down and distance situations to bring in Willis for a play. The Bears defense would have to adjust and Malik's mobility and running ability would have caused problems. Not taking away from Love but we sucked in the 2nd half.

Perhaps Willis was still banged up?

 

[Magooch]

McDermott and LaFleur do kind of make an interesting comparison, if nothing else....

Tenure:
LaFleur - 7 seasons as GB HC
McDermott - 9 seasons as Buffalo HC

Regular-season record:
LaFleur - 76-40, 0.654
McDermott - 98-50, 0.662

Postseason record:
LaFleur - 3-6, 0.333
McDermott - 8-8, 0.500

Super Bowl Appearances:
LaFleur - 0x
McDermott - 0x

Conference Championship Appearances:
LaFleur - 2x
McDermott - 2x

Divisional Appearances:
LaFleur - 2x
McDermott - 4x

Divisional Championships:
LaFleur - 3x
McDermott - 5x

I would look at it one of two ways:

1. What is the argument FOR firing McDermott that doesn't also apply to LaFleur?
2. What is the argument AGAINST firing LaFleur that doesn't also apply to McDermott?

 

[lambeaulambo]

At first my brain was saying to extend him, then I remembered look at the tape bs. Injuries is the excuse. Leverage for new extension. Need an offensive coordinator badly. This coach cannot think on his feet when the pressure is amped up. Watching a special teams unit flail about and then stick w a coach that clearly is aloof. I'll give the GM a pass as I think he realizes opportunities sometimes in the free agent market. MLFs game management better improve in a quick hurry.

 

[OldSchool101]

We had a dud of a second half. All I'm suggesting is we had opportunities in certain down and distance situations to bring in Willis for a play. The Bears defense would have to adjust and Malik's mobility and running ability would have caused problems. Not taking away from Love but we sucked in the 2nd half.

Good point. We seemed very reluctant to use every angle to find success. On 4th Downs, once in awhile bring in Malik and have him leek out with a receiving target underneath running a quick 5 yard comeback which is hard to defend. Then pull an OL and give Malik a chance to get a yard. It’s not inconceivable thinking here.

 

[OldSchool101]

McDermott and LaFleur do kind of make an interesting comparison, if nothing else....

Tenure:
LaFleur - 7 seasons as GB HC
McDermott - 9 seasons as Buffalo HC

Regular-season record:
LaFleur - 76-40, 0.654
McDermott - 98-50, 0.662

Postseason record:
LaFleur - 3-6, 0.333
McDermott - 8-8, 0.500

Super Bowl Appearances:
LaFleur - 0x
McDermott - 0x

Conference Championship Appearances:
LaFleur - 2x
McDermott - 2x

Divisional Appearances:
LaFleur - 2x
McDermott - 4x

Divisional Championships:
LaFleur - 3x
McDermott - 5x

I would look at it one of two ways:

1. What is the argument FOR firing McDermott that doesn't also apply to LaFleur?
2. What is the argument AGAINST firing LaFleur that doesn't also apply to McDermott?

Very comparable . When I did my own version of accounting, since Matt LaFleur the Bills have been slightly more successful than GB. Including not falling down the Regular season staircase and finishing with a Postseason Wildcard faceplant. At least Buffalo advanced to a Divisional and took it into OT against a very good Denver Broncos Defense. 30pts is nothing to be ashamed of against the Broncos Defense.
Denver Defense was
#3 Points allowed
#2 in Yards Allowed
#1 in Per play allowed

The Bills D was
#12 Points Allowed
#7 Yards Allowed
#15 Yards per play.

Bills were nothing shameful at all. Maybe a tick off on Defense, but very fixable level.

 

[milani]

I do think Houston's OL was a mess and got pushed around quite a bit. Donno how Jordan would have survived that onslaught.

Against Houston no. Against the Bears and maybe even Denver, yes.

 

[Pugger]

McDermott and LaFleur do kind of make an interesting comparison, if nothing else....

Tenure:
LaFleur - 7 seasons as GB HC
McDermott - 9 seasons as Buffalo HC

Regular-season record:
LaFleur - 76-40, 0.654
McDermott - 98-50, 0.662

Postseason record:
LaFleur - 3-6, 0.333
McDermott - 8-8, 0.500

Super Bowl Appearances:
LaFleur - 0x
McDermott - 0x

Conference Championship Appearances:
LaFleur - 2x
McDermott - 2x

Divisional Appearances:
LaFleur - 2x
McDermott - 4x

Divisional Championships:
LaFleur - 3x
McDermott - 5x

I would look at it one of two ways:

1. What is the argument FOR firing McDermott that doesn't also apply to LaFleur?
2. What is the argument AGAINST firing LaFleur that doesn't also apply to McDermott?

#1 - he had 9 years and the better QB thruought his tenure. He is a defensive coach and his defenses have declined recently.

#2 - I really don't understand why MLF was retained other than perhaps Policy didn't think there was anybody out there any better? I will say if Ed doesn't see any changes/ improvements in 2026 Matt's seat will heat up substantially.

 

[milani]

If you read Bills message boards most of those folks are unhappy their GM wasn't also dismissed.

Mid-season they were screaming as well. Getting defeated by Mahommes is one thing. Getting dethroned by the Pats and Broncos who had losing seasons until now really hurt.

 

[Half Empty]

McDermott getting fired for basically doing what MLF has done isn't going to help the anti-MLF's crowd blood pressure.

Right. Had to pop an extra pill this morning.

 

[JoePack]

#1 - he had 9 years and the better QB thruought his tenure. He is a defensive coach and his defenses have declined recently.

#2 - I really don't understand why MLF was retained other than perhaps Policy didn't think there was anybody out there any better? I will say if Ed doesn't see any changes/ improvements in 2026 Matt's seat will heat up substantially.

Well I respectfully disagree. I see a coach working tonight that could turn this franchise around. All I see right now will be more of the same. Maybe he wouldn't be interested in coaching GB but I'd do all could to get him.
It will be interesting to see what team might land him.

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

Well, since the GM and HC are settled today for GB the question is what does this team do now? Having watched every game during the playoffs there is a IMO a big difference between most of the teams (except maybe SF, Carolina) and the Packers. OL, GB's OL played to their PFF ranking of between 22 and 26 in the league, virtually every other team in the playoffs had a better ranking as an OL. RB's were pedestrian this year, is Jacobs the guy but he needs another good RB (Bears backs ran for 780 and over 1000 yds this year) The WR group at one time was considered top5 in the NFL, not the case any more and when watching other teams (Bears- Burden, Moore Odunze, Kmet, etc and others) they are lacking. (Note: Despite Caleb Williams 56% completion rate this team won 12 games- amzing). Everyone loves a QB who hits on 66% or more of his passes but it takes someone who can win the big game, put a team on their back and do what it takes - yes a question about J.Love whether he has that ability. The GB D is suspect (after the Parsons injury they fell significantly in results), they have issues at DB and LB. Going into 2026 they are well over the cap have little draft capital left after giving up 2 1sts for Parsons.... overall the point is that GB has holes to fill, has missed on two FA's, draft picks and despite having a foundation- is it enough to get past the Bears who look like they will be lead dog for some time to come. One last thought watching many of the playoff teams, many are electric in going to the ball on D, their OL was punishing against opponents as were their DL getting to the QB - not GB IMO. Long off-season, will be interesting to see what the GM and HC can pull out of their hat, first should be a new OC who can help call plays- along the lines of a B Johnson, Shanahan et al.

 

[Catamount1971]

How long before the boo's rain down on LaFleur next season? If he had any shame, he would have moved along.

 

[McKnowledge]

The Patriots are a jugernaut? LOL, you’d have to explain your definition there.

I think the Patriots are a well oiled machine, not necessarily a juggernaut.

They've established a reputation of excellence and Robert Kraft is an owner committed to keeping it going.

The entire structure of the organization is impressive.

Vrabel was a great hire.

 

[AKCheese]

If you can’t enjoy football unless your team wins the Super Bowl, you need to find another pastime. Disappointed? Yes. But feeling entitled to the point where you feel a coach OWES you a Superbowl within X years or its time to discard him and move on? I’ve been blessed to see Green Bay win SEVEN World championships in my life.There are 32 teams now, not 14. Do I think Green Bay could have done better this year? Yes Is Matt LaFluer “the problem”… I’m not in a position to KNOW that and I don’t think anyone else here is either. Our franchise is one of the best run organizations in the NFL… period. We have been competitive and imo we will CONTINUE to be competitive. Will we win another Super Bowl in my lifetime? Maybe yes, maybe no. Will we be “in the mix” again? I believe - yes. I expect this team to be in the top 4 in the NFC. Thats my EXPECTATION. After that it becomes “any given Sunday”. The other teams ALSO have good players, good teams, good coaches and all you can expect is a good competition. If there’s ineptitude or mismanagement or lack of effort that needs to be corrected. The only times I’ve really taken issue with Green Bay was their handling of the Favre situation. To me… the did it in a dishonorable cowardly fashion. I also got sick of Rodgers BS his last 3-4 years, wish we had dumped him sooner but Seattle plucked that Huckleberry package of draft picks. I can respect Detroit and their coach. I think they come roaring back next year (no pun intended)… I think we do too BTW. Chicago? Imo… a classless organization epitomized by their coach who is an A-hole IMO. People who want a guy like him - whatever. Ditto Sean Payton. End of the day… this team/organization is in a good place NOW with imo more upside than downside ahead. I expect better out of MLF and I’m sure he expects better out of himself going forward or he’d probably retire. Instead I think he’s already working his *** off to get ready for next year… and I’m looking forward to it!

 

[McKnowledge]

First, sign him to the franchise tag of $40+M and then see

I can't think of any competent organization willing to surrender 2 1st round picks for the standard franchise tag.

However, there is a transition tag that allows the player to get paid the annual average of the top 10 players at his position for 1 year.

Sign Willis to the transition tag of 54.37M/1 year and see if some fool is willing to make a deal.

If there is a foolish GM willing to make that deal, I would ask for 1st (2026), 2nd (2026), and 2nd (2027).

This is unlikely to ever happen, but that's what I would ask for.

More than likely, Willis will sign with a team with a real opportunity (Kansas City, Pittsburgh) on 1 year deal.

 

[weeds]

If you can’t enjoy football unless your team wins the Super Bowl, you need to find another pastime. Disappointed? Yes. But feeling entitled to the point where you feel a coach OWES you a Superbowl within X years or its time to discard him and move on? I’ve been blessed to see Green Bay win SEVEN World championships in my life.There are 32 teams now, not 14. Do I think Green Bay could have done better this year? Yes Is Matt LaFluer “the problem”… I’m not in a position to KNOW that and I don’t think anyone else here is either. Our franchise is one of the best run organizations in the NFL… period. We have been competitive and imo we will CONTINUE to be competitive. Will we win another Super Bowl in my lifetime? Maybe yes, maybe no. Will we be “in the mix” again? I believe - yes. I expect this team to be in the top 4 in the NFC. Thats my EXPECTATION. After that it becomes “any given Sunday”. The other teams ALSO have good players, good teams, good coaches and all you can expect is a good competition. If there’s ineptitude or mismanagement or lack of effort that needs to be corrected. The only times I’ve really taken issue with Green Bay was their handling of the Favre situation. To me… the did it in a dishonorable cowardly fashion. I also got sick of Rodgers BS his last 3-4 years, wish we had dumped him sooner but Seattle plucked that Huckleberry package of draft picks. I can respect Detroit and their coach. I think they come roaring back next year (no pun intended)… I think we do too BTW. Chicago? Imo… a classless organization epitomized by their coach who is an A-hole IMO. People who want a guy like him - whatever. Ditto Sean Payton. End of the day… this team/organization is in a good place NOW with imo more upside than downside ahead. I expect better out of MLF and I’m sure he expects better out of himself going forward or he’d probably retire. Instead I think he’s already working his *** off to get ready for next year… and I’m looking forward to it!

We old guys think alike. Injuries aren't an excuse...they're a REASON. Wyatt, Parsons, Kraft, Jenkins and Tom in and out all season... those guys back, this team is in the NFC Championship game.

My complaint for this season is the way they mucked around with the O-line.

 

[mradtke66]

My complaint for this season is the way they mucked around with the O-line.

I don't know if they had a choice. Jenkins didn't look good at center, true, but I think it was Center or Bust for him. He got old and slow and I think the move was a hope that he could extend his career. He couldn't and I assume he's cut or he retires.

Morgan wasn't used properly, I'll give you that.

 

[milani]

Well, since the GM and HC are settled today for GB the question is what does this team do now? Having watched every game during the playoffs there is a IMO a big difference between most of the teams (except maybe SF, Carolina) and the Packers. OL, GB's OL played to their PFF ranking of between 22 and 26 in the league, virtually every other team in the playoffs had a better ranking as an OL. RB's were pedestrian this year, is Jacobs the guy but he needs another good RB (Bears backs ran for 780 and over 1000 yds this year) The WR group at one time was considered top5 in the NFL, not the case any more and when watching other teams (Bears- Burden, Moore Odunze, Kmet, etc and others) they are lacking. (Note: Despite Caleb Williams 56% completion rate this team won 12 games- amzing). Everyone loves a QB who hits on 66% or more of his passes but it takes someone who can win the big game, put a team on their back and do what it takes - yes a question about J.Love whether he has that ability. The GB D is suspect (after the Parsons injury they fell significantly in results), they have issues at DB and LB. Going into 2026 they are well over the cap have little draft capital left after giving up 2 1sts for Parsons.... overall the point is that GB has holes to fill, has missed on two FA's, draft picks and despite having a foundation- is it enough to get past the Bears who look like they will be lead dog for some time to come. One last thought watching many of the playoff teams, many are electric in going to the ball on D, their OL was punishing against opponents as were their DL getting to the QB - not GB IMO. Long off-season, will be interesting to see what the GM and HC can pull out of their hat, first should be a new OC who can help call plays- along the lines of a B Johnson, Shanahan et al.

What does this team do now?
Nothing.

 

[tripleguy]

Perhaps Willis was still banged up?

He was active for the game.

 

[tripleguy]

The only times I’ve really taken issue with Green Bay was their handling of the Favre situation. To me… the did it in a dishonorable cowardly fashion. I

C'mon, really? Favre ****ed them around for the last 3 years waffling when asked about retiring. Then in his final classless act he strung them along without an answer right before training camp. That's dishonourable but I'm not a Favre jock sniffer.

 

[AKCheese]

We old guys think alike. Injuries aren't an excuse...they're a REASON. Wyatt, Parsons, Kraft, Jenkins and Tom in and out all season... those guys back, this team is in the NFC Championship game.

My complaint for this season is the way they mucked around with the O-line.

Not an excuse… a reason - exactly
All teams have injuries for sure but we lost a lot of STAR level players and next year we get them all back (except probably Jenkins).

 

[AKCheese]

C'mon, really? Favre ****ed them around for the last 3 years waffling when asked about retiring. Then in his final classless act he strung them along without an answer right before training camp. That's dishonourable but I'm not a Favre jock sniffer.

Favre was a jock I’m talkng about the management of the franchise .. the O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-A-T-I-O-N…

 

[ExpatPacker]

How long before the boo's rain down on LaFleur next season? If he had any shame, he would have moved along.

Not long.

 

[milani]

Not long.

I am sure MLF is not concerned. Right now he can enjoy what goes into his direct deposit every 2 weeks.