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[chemist]

LOL you grab statements and turn them into what you want like not many can.

Acceptable? Define what you mean by that.

I would say there isn't just a binary option of events - win a SB or don't.

The Packers 2025 season is nowhere close to the same as the Raiders 2025 season....

LOL!!!! Well it seems to me to be the implied theme of what sunshinepacker said....
How would you interpret his post.

 

[tynimiller]

LOL!!!! Well it seems to me to be the implied theme of what sunshinepacker said....
How would you interpret his post.

That he understands only a fool of a GM literally in his grade book of the coach has literally one rock and a scale, one side he won the SB and he stays and the other side he didn't and he should be gone.

 

[chemist]

That he understands only a fool of a GM literally in his grade book of the coach has literally one rock and a scale, one side he won the SB and he stays and the other side he didn't and he should be gone.

Except for that fact that MLF has been here 7 years, not 1 year, like you are implying
As the years have gone by this team has gone backwards. Its all there in black and white.

 

[tynimiller]

Except for that fact that MLF has been here 7 years, not 1 year, like you are implying
As the years have gone by this team has gone backwards. Its all there in black and white.

And in year 3 really of this regime or version of the team. I don't think enough people realize the chaos/mess he inherited and ressurected the latter years of Rodgers being here without missing a beat and using an aging team that just won 6 games. Then he and Gute grab Love before many felt, squelched that turmoil and still won and played in the dance...and then in 2023 give Love the reigns and go on a second half tear that was incredible...

This team assembled in 2025 absolutely was not a worse team than 2024. Anyone that thinks that is purely avoiding the truth and blindly looking at just the win column blindly.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So are you saying its acceptable to you If GB never wins another SB, just as long as they continue to develop guys into better players you would be satisfied with that .

Uhmm...not sure where you got that conclusion from but I will state this very clearly: I fully expect the Packers to win another Super Bowl, I'm just not going to hinge my evaluation of the coach entirely on whether the team wins a Super Bowl next year.

 

[chemist]

And in year 3 really of this regime or version of the team. I don't think enough people realize the chaos/mess he inherited and ressurected the latter years of Rodgers being here without missing a beat and using an aging team that just won 6 games. Then he and Gute grab Love before many felt, squelched that turmoil and still won and played in the dance...and then in 2023 give Love the reigns and go on a second half tear that was incredible...

This team assembled in 2025 absolutely was not a worse team than 2024. Anyone that thinks that is purely avoiding the truth and blindly looking at just the win column blindly.

I will give you that. The 2025 team talent wise was awesome. The potential was there to have a great year. Injuries put a damper on some of that but it wasnt all injuries that turned this year sour.
As I said in another post the 49rs had serious injuries too, but somehow had a much better year than we did. Why????

 

[tynimiller]

I will give you that. The 2025 team talent wise was awesome. The potential was there to have a great year. Injuries put a damper on some of that but it wasnt all injuries that turned this year sour.
As I said in another post the 49rs had serious injuries too, but somehow had a much better year than we did. Why????

I wouldn't truly say it was that measurably better in the end. Just because one round deeper? That team everyone knew was only going to cover up issues for so long and not a real threat. I liken it to the Nix situation. Any given Sunday for sure....but Stidham isn't winning two straight against two of the best teams in the league.

 

[longtimefan]

So could we trade Malik to the broncos for a 1st round pick?

He is a free agent signs with whom ever

 

[tynimiller]

So could we trade Malik to the broncos for a 1st round pick?

No - they have zero reason to do so. Nix will be back next season and he is their future. IF you mean right now, you are aware of a thing called the trade deadline right?

 

[tynimiller]

I saw a Facebook post a week ago from a woman who posted “who cares about the games, hell yes he should be back!”, which was agreed with by other women in the thread.

Nothing says “we’re a serious franchise” more than half our fanbase placing “eye candy” higher on the head coach qualification list than “does job well.”

You are aware that every fanbase is full of idiots right? Folks that don't even hardly know their teams roster past a guy or two....barely know contract situations of players or depth chart...

Shoot many here at times even illustrate an incredible lack of team knowledge and football awareness and I'd say collectively we as a group here are part of that small percentage that does actually know the team and basics of roster and such.

 

[tynimiller]

My only point was that Elliot Wolf has done a hell of job in New England, and they’ve currently got a better team than we’ve seen in Green Bay in at least the last 4 seasons.

I didn’t know that it was going to devolve into a debate about the dictionary definition of the word “juggernaut.”

Disagree. Both teams healthy on a nuetral site with ten games played I bet GB wins 7 of them.

 

[chemist]

I wouldn't truly say it was that measurably better in the end. Just because one round deeper? That team everyone knew was only going to cover up issues for so long and not a real threat. I liken it to the Nix situation. Any given Sunday for sure....but Stidham isn't winning two straight against two of the best teams in the league.

I agree regarding denver. To me they were similar to the bears, lucky to win any number of games. No doubt pats and seahawks look the best

Sorry but the 9rs season winning 12 games in a division where they had to play the rams twice and seattle 3x , that 3rd one being the playoff game and beating the 2 seed bears before succumbing to the 1 seed is much better than our 9 wins and not being able to beat the bears when it counted so I would would say by any measure they were much more successful than us .

 

[tynimiller]

I agree regarding denver. To me they were similar to the bears, lucky to win any number of games. No doubt pats and seahawks look the best

Sorry but the 9rs season winning 12 games in a division where they had to play the rams twice and seattle 3x , that 3rd one being the playoff game and beating the 2 seed bears before succumbing to the 1 seed is much better than our 9 wins and not being able to beat the bears when it counted so I would would say by any measure they were much more successful than us .

Apologies I meant something different. Yes if you asked me to rank teams in say a power ranking heading into the playoffs or even last couple weeks yes, I'd put them over us.

 

[chemist]

You are aware that every fanbase is full of idiots right? Folks that don't even hardly know their teams roster past a guy or two....barely know contract situations of players or depth chart...

Shoot many here at times even illustrate an incredible lack of team knowledge and football awareness and I'd say collectively we as a group here are part of that small percentage that does actually know the team and basics of roster and such.

To bad there isnt anything like an eye candy SB...

 

[milani]

Injuries don't account for the numerous mistakes that have plagued this team during the MLF tenure. Special teams mistakes cost us every playoff game. It is rinse and repeat every year. The lack of execution gets old. Please review every playoff loss during the past 7 years. There are fumbles, blocked punts, missed field goals and horrible defensive schemes that cost us year after year after year.

And you can go back even 15 years for ST blunders in the MM era as well.

 

[chemist]

Apologies I meant something different. Yes if you asked me to rank teams in say a power ranking heading into the playoffs or even last couple weeks yes, I'd put them over us.

No problem. You are certainly a knowledgeable, well informed, articulate guy so I enjoy the banter.
The past few days a lot of my frustration has decided to come out so some of my posts have had a somewhat combative tone. I recognize that and since no one in this forum is responsible for what happens on the field or the front office I may have to take break until I can finally let it go.

 

[tynimiller]

No problem. You are certainly a knowledgeable, well informed, articulate guy so I enjoy the banter.
The past few days a lot of my frustration has decided to come out so some of my posts have had a somewhat combative tone. I recognize that and since no one in this forum is responsible for what happens on the field or the front office I may have to take break until I can finally let it go.

Oh I for sure think the emotional response for most of us (myself included) was far more in the camp of burn it down when we watched the game in Chicago. I've stated numerous times I wouldn't have been shocked if news broke we were parting ways with MLF and Gute and just "burning it down" despite disagreement personally.

My time line is two more years and I (if I was Policy) have to feel we have gotten closer if not grasped the Lombardi otherwise I'm out. I have always preferred an organization give a HC and GM 5 years to really see directionally where they're heading and when the old (Rodgers and such) were turned over and keys handed to Love my personaly clock with MLF restarted because in essence we restarted without a new HC or GM.

I'm still patiently waiting for GB to announce Rich Bissacia is released or his duties severely cut. I'm baffled it is taking this long....unless they want to get a DC involved in that decision process.

 

[AKCheese]

Acceptable? Define what you mean by that.

… yeah I was gonna ask that same question

We are consistently one of the better teams in the league. Time to move higher. What does that take. It takes some luck re:injuries… and playing your best football at the end of the season

 

[Catamount1971]

Sure, there have been mistakes. There have also been far, far more successes. Like turning Jordan Love into an MVP-caliber QB. Or turning Malik Willis into a starting-level QB. Or coaching a team with the eighth most offensive points scored per game over the past three years. No coach is perfect and evaluating the quality of a coach on whether or not they win the Super Bowl is just as foolish as evaluating a QB on whether or not they win a Super Bowl.

Let’s ask someone from New England about this? Imagine if we had Belachek for a coach during Favre and Rogers. Mistakes cost us every playoff game.

And you can go back even 15 years for ST blunders in the MM era as well.

well aware. Mistakes cost us many Super Bowl appearances based on what I said. Painful, painful memories.

 

[adambr2]

Disagree. Both teams healthy on a nuetral site with ten games played I bet GB wins 7 of them.

Respectfully, this is blatant homerism.

This is a lot of disrespect to a team that went 15-3, had the highest point differential in their conference and is playing in their conference championship game versus a team that didn’t even win 10 games or get out of the wild card round.

One of the two teams did their talking on the field and it wasn’t us. It’s wildly speculative to suggest that we could beat the likely AFC Super Bowl representative in 70% of games, considering we’ve won 53% of our total games the last 4 seasons.

 

[shockerx]

Acceptable? Define what you mean by that.

… yeah I was gonna ask that same question

We are consistently one of the better teams in the league. Time to move higher. What does that take. It takes some luck re:injuries… and playing your best football at the end of the season

playing your best football near the end Dec and Jan centers around OL dominance. Running the football seccessfuly fixes alot of problems. like TOP, Clock management and defense meltdowns. Lets get the OL right at all cost and start by firing Butkus.

 

[milani]

playing your best football near the end Dec and Jan centers around OL dominance. Running the football seccessfuly fixes alot of problems. like TOP, Clock management and defense meltdowns. Lets get the OL right at all cost and start by firing Butkus.

We could have used another Butkus in that game.

 

[tynimiller]

Respectfully, this is blatant homerism.

This is a lot of disrespect to a team that went 15-3, had the highest point differential in their conference and is playing in their conference championship game versus a team that didn’t even win 10 games or get out of the wild card round.

One of the two teams did their talking on the field and it wasn’t us. It’s wildly speculative to suggest that we could beat the likely AFC Super Bowl representative in 70% of games, considering we’ve won 53% of our total games the last 4 seasons.

However I made it clear that’s my opinion, not presenting it as facts which many here shroud opinion behind.

Yes fully healthy I think we are that good.

 

[adambr2]

However I made it clear that’s my opinion, not presenting it as facts which many here shroud opinion behind.

Yes fully healthy I think we are that good.

Among the best teams in the NFL (which I think we can all agree the Patriots are one of them), I don’t believe any team is 7 out of 10 better than any other team. That is a 12-5 overall record. There is too much parity. Maybe when comparing the best to the worst, but among the best, no team is that much better than another top 10 team, healthy or not.

We were healthy this year when Cleveland beat us 1 out of 1. Even Oakland (or Las Vegas or whatever they are these days) beat Seattle 1 out of 1.

 

[tynimiller]

Among the best teams in the NFL (which I think we can all agree the Patriots are one of them), I don’t believe any team is 7 out of 10 better than any other team. That is a 12-5 overall record. There is too much parity. Maybe when comparing the best to the worst, but among the best, no team is that much better than another top 10 team, healthy or not.

We were healthy this year when Cleveland beat us 1 out of 1. Even Oakland (or Las Vegas or whatever they are these days) beat Seattle 1 out of 1.

One offs like Cleveland happen. I'll concede i am likely balsy but still what I think