Matt extended

[chemist]

If you can’t enjoy football unless your team wins the Super Bowl, you need to find another pastime. Disappointed? Yes. But feeling entitled to the point where you feel a coach OWES you a Superbowl within X amount of years

Ive been a packer fan since the lombardi days.
The main goal of playing this game is to win the SB. If you dont believe that then maybe you should find another past time.

Lombardi was very high on discipline. He was probably turning over in his grave watching the atrocity that took place this season, and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them.
Ever since MLF took over this team has been going backwards. Sure his record shows he has won alot of games, but his,record also shows he doesn't win when it counts the most. He falls apart in the playoffs and his failures start to pervade the whole team, leading to a lack of discipline which feeds on itself causing more mistakes of the most basic kind. A well coached team doesnt lack discipline.

In the business world you get paid to do a job. The company pays you and in return they expect you to hold up your side of the deal and be productive. If you dont do your job and are not productive you dont last very long before the company decides to find someone else
You are right MLF doesnt OWE me anything, but he does owe the company he works for much better productivity than what he has shown in the seven years he has been here.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Ive been a packer fan since the lombardi days.
The main goal of playing this game is to win the SB. If you dont believe that then maybe you should find another past time.

Lombardi was very high on discipline. He was probably turning over in his grave watching the atrocity that took place this season, and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them.
Ever since MLF took over this team has been going backwards. Sure his record shows he has won alot of games, but his,record also shows he doesn't win when it counts the most. He falls apart in the playoffs and his failures start to pervade the whole team, leading to a lack of discipline which feeds on itself causing more mistakes of the most basic kind. A well coached team doesnt lack discipline.

In the business world you get paid to do a job. The company pays you and in return they expect you to hold up your side of the deal and be productive. If you dont do your job and are not productive you dont last very long before the company decides to find someone else
You are right MLF doesnt OWE me anything, but he does owe the company he works for much better productivity than what he has shown in the seven years he has been here.

I really hate when people make this take. This is NOT true. We can "wish" that teams can magically next man up through injuries, but that while all teams may deal with them, there are definitely different degrees each team has. The Packers lost their 2 best defenders and 2 of their top 4-5 offensive players. The 49'ers losses finally caught up to them against Seattle. Denver losing Nix will be huge this weekend. Yes, all teams have injuries but some players are just much harder to replace than others. That's just a fact.

 

[tynimiller]

Ive been a packer fan since the lombardi days.
The main goal of playing this game is to win the SB. If you dont believe that then maybe you should find another past time.

Lombardi was very high on discipline. He was probably turning over in his grave watching the atrocity that took place this season, and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them.

Of course injuries happen every year to teams but it is extremely misguided, dishonest and IMO choice ignorance to believe they are all equal. It was brought up already that the Nix injury in all honest is likely to keep Denver and their incredible defense to see the SB now. Yup, you're right though...Stidham and Nix should be interchangeable and actual expectations are equal between the two.

Your approach would have Kyle Shanahan fired for getting blown apart in Seattle....which would be one of the most moronic thoughts ever.

Ever since MLF took over this team has been going backwards. Sure his record shows he has won alot of games, but his,record also shows he doesn't win when it counts the most. He falls apart in the playoffs and his failures start to pervade the whole team, leading to a lack of discipline which feeds on itself causing more mistakes of the most basic kind. A well coached team doesnt lack discipline.

In the business world you get paid to do a job. The company pays you and in return they expect you to hold up your side of the deal and be productive. If you dont do your job and are not productive you dont last very long before the company decides to find someone else
You are right MLF doesnt OWE me anything, but he does owe the company he works for much better productivity than what he has shown in the seven years he has been here.

So hang on...do you truly believe that the GMs across the league truly in all honesty (NOT what they hope or wish) believe their HC's should be delivering a SB each year they employ them?

GMs perhaps above nearly anyone here, or anywhere understand just how freaking hard it is to just win a game in this league let alone put enough of those together to be in contention for a division or playoff spot. You do everything you can to put yourself in position to win and hope when the dust falls you got another win unfold.

Moving on from a coach should only be done if management believes they are more likely to succeed with any other HC than they are their current. There is no reason to move on just to move on and hope things change....now of course there is never anything known for sure, but MLF and Love together have shown to constantly be in contention and even before you discuss crucial injury losses, even if just a few ball bounces go just a hair one way or another things might be crazy different in some years.

I would have understood if we'd heard MLF was being let go...but it blows my mind how some can have some incredibly impossible expectations to hold him to and not acknowledge how likely it is that they're thinking in a manner no sound GM would operate with.

 

[chemist]

I really hate when people make this take. This is NOT true. We can "wish" that teams can magically next man up through injuries, but that while all teams may deal with them, there are definitely different degrees each team has. The Packers lost their 2 best defenders and 2 of their top 4-5 offensive players. The 49'ers losses finally caught up to them against Seattle. Denver losing Nix will be huge this weekend. Yes, all teams have injuries but some players are just much harder to replace than others. That's just a fact.

It sounds like you just made my point. The 49rs had a horrible year dealing with many injuries to hi quality players, the latest being kittle, but they went further then we did, won more games than we did and eventually lost to the top seed in the NFC. while we were fumbling our way thru the season losing games we should have easily won. There was more to several losses we had that was not just due injuries.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

It sounds like you just made my point. The 49rs had a horrible year dealing with many injuries to hi quality players, the latest being kittle, but they went further then we did, won more games than we did and eventually lost to the top seed in the NFC. while we were fumbling our way thru the season losing games we should have easily won. There was more to several losses we had that was not just due injuries.

Don't think so. They made it 1 round further than us and then got wasted by Seattle.

 

[chemist]

Don't think so. They made it 1 round further than us and then got wasted by Seattle.

So just as I said, they went further than us and won more games than us. Do you dispute that?

 

[pacmaniac]

Injuries also are not the reason for blowing a 21-3 second half lead.

 

[tynimiller]

Injuries also are not the reason for blowing a 21-3 second half lead.

1,000% agree

 

[chemist]

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So hang on...do you truly believe that the GMs across the league truly in all honesty (NOT what they hope or wish) believe their HC's should be delivering a SB each year they employ them?
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[chemist]

So hang on...do you truly believe that the GMs across the league truly in all honesty (NOT what they hope or wish) believe their HC's should be delivering a SB each year they employ them?
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Not sure where I said you have to win a SB every year. What i said was MLF has a good in season record but that doesnt translate to the playoffs. He loses it during crunch time, not my opinion thats what his record shows, but things got even worse this year as those failures have now leaked into sesonal games where we have collapsed several times late in the game and suffered losses in games we had in our pocket. In other words we keep regressing further each year instead of showing improvement.

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

Packers have no money right now (may change with releases, new contracts, etc) they are $37M in the hole. They have 18 FA's, 9 UFA's (Qwalker, rhyan, doubs, enagbare,RWalker $50M value), 5 RFA's (incl Wilson,Melton,Kinnard), 4 ERFA's (low guys on the totem pole- low money). Draft picks (expected), not what one would call great in terms of top 135 players in draft. What do they need most/first? CB-DB, OL, IOL, DL, Edge?? At least 14 teams need CB-DB's for 2026; At least 22 teams indicate needs on OL; At least 21 indicate needs on DL/Edge. And that is before free agency and cuts.
Can GB afford more FA signings that don't pan out (Hobbs, Banks-still considering his value)?
There are 32 OT/IOL on the top 135 list from CBS Sports for draft; 16 CB's in the top 135 and 29 DL/DE/Edge in their top 135 list. 32 teams drafting, if there are 77 available players in the three need categories (all top135) will be interesting to see how many GB will have available to choose from considering their needs. CBS (not necessarily right) but they consider these starters/2nd team contributors-eventual starters. maybe GB gets a couple in top 84 but not likely beyond that number without trade(s).
On top of everything the team will have a new DC, possibly other coaching changes (hopefully a play calling OC- or more involved). Lots of questions and IMO this roster needs work in a lot of areas (did not touch on ST).

• 2nd round (original): 52nd
• 3rd round (original): 84th
• 4th round (original): 120th Top 135 may get into 4th round
• 5th round (original): 159th
• 6th round (original): 200th
• 7th round (original): 236th
• 7th round (compensatory - Josh Myers): 254th
• 7th round (compensatory - Eric Wilson): 257th

 

[milani]

Ive been a packer fan since the lombardi days.
The main goal of playing this game is to win the SB. If you dont believe that then maybe you should find another past time.

Lombardi was very high on discipline. He was probably turning over in his grave watching the atrocity that took place this season, and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them.
Ever since MLF took over this team has been going backwards. Sure his record shows he has won alot of games, but his,record also shows he doesn't win when it counts the most. He falls apart in the playoffs and his failures start to pervade the whole team, leading to a lack of discipline which feeds on itself causing more mistakes of the most basic kind. A well coached team doesnt lack discipline.

In the business world you get paid to do a job. The company pays you and in return they expect you to hold up your side of the deal and be productive. If you dont do your job and are not productive you dont last very long before the company decides to find someone else
You are right MLF doesnt OWE me anything, but he does owe the company he works for much better productivity than what he has shown in the seven years he has been here.

Lombardi's greatest performance was his last season, 1967, in GB. He dealt with a lot that year. Hornung and Taylor were no longer there and his starting backfield was lost to injury before mid-season. Starr was banged up a lot. He picked up a few cast-offs. He rode the defense and a young kid named Travis Williams. But the team hung tough. No one blew them out. And the 2 playoff games on Dec. 23 and Dec. 31 were masterpiece performances of motivation, inspiration, and execution.

 

[chemist]

Lombardi's greatest performance was his last season, 1967, in GB. He dealt with a lot that year. Hornung and Taylor were no longer there and his starting backfield was lost to injury before mid-season. Starr was banged up a lot. He picked up a few cast-offs. He rode the defense and a young kid named Travis Williams. But the team hung tough. No one blew them out. And the 2 playoff games on Dec. 23 and Dec. 31 were masterpiece performances of motivation, inspiration, and execution.

Yes sir!!! And GB holds a record that no other team will ever achieve. They won the first SB ever held. Actually they won the first 2 SBs. an enviable achievement

 

[SudsMcBucky]

So just as I said, they went further than us and won more games than us. Do you dispute that?

WTH are you even talking about? Yes, they went 1 game further in the playoffs. If anything, the injury statement of the 9ers only helps MY debate, as they were only able to win 1 game before getting smoked. Face it, there are different levels of injuries and they can, in fact, be a valid excuse for not getting where the team was hoping to go.

 

[milani]

WTH are you even talking about? Yes, they went 1 game further in the playoffs. If anything, the injury statement of the 9ers only helps MY debate, as they were only able to win 1 game before getting smoked. Face it, there are different levels of injuries and they can, in fact, be a valid excuse for not getting where the team was hoping to go.

You put Bosa, Warner, and Kittle back on the field and I would not want to play that 9er team.

 

[chemist]

WTH are you even talking about? Yes, they went 1 game further in the playoffs. If anything, the injury statement of the 9ers only helps MY debate, as they were only able to win 1 game before getting smoked. Face it, there are different levels of injuries and they can, in fact, be a valid excuse for not getting where the team was hoping to go.

Think it thru. The main topic is that both GB and SF had horrific seasons when it comes to injuries to hi quality players but they did a better job dealing with it as evidenced by the facts that they went further than us and won more games than us. What evidence do you have to say the opposite.

 

[milani]

Think it thru. The main topic is that both GB and SF had horrific seasons when it comes to injuries to hi quality players but they did a better job dealing with it as evidenced by the facts that they went further than us and won more games than us. What evidence do you have to say the opposite.

And the 9ers had to face the Rams twice, the Seahawks 3 times, and the Eagles on the road along with the Bears and Jaguars once each.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Think it thru. The main topic is that both GB and SF had horrific seasons when it comes to injuries to hi quality players but they did a better job dealing with it as evidenced by the facts that they went further than us and won more games than us. What evidence do you have to say the opposite.

Ok, this is my last response to this because you're now making a different argument. Look back at my original response to your comment. It has nothing to do with the 9ers overcoming injuries better than the Packers. This was your comment: and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them. And then read again what my issue was with that statement. Every team did NOT have the same quality/amount of injuries than the Packers and while yes, every team has to deal with them, only the 9ers were really able to even win just 1 playoff game with them. Again, the argument is that NOT ALL teams faces the same type of injuries and injuries are a very REAL reason for coming up short of expectations. Peace out.

 

[tynimiller]

Ok, this is my last response to this because you're now making a different argument. Look back at my original response to your comment. It has nothing to do with the 9ers overcoming injuries better than the Packers. This was your comment: and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them. And then read again what my issue was with that statement. Every team did NOT have the same quality/amount of injuries than the Packers and while yes, every team has to deal with them, only the 9ers were really able to even win just 1 playoff game with them. Again, the argument is that NOT ALL teams faces the same type of injuries and injuries are a very REAL reason for coming up short of expectations. Peace out.

100% get what you're saying Suds - logic is sound and obvious.

 

[Catamount1971]

Injuries don't account for the numerous mistakes that have plagued this team during the MLF tenure. Special teams mistakes cost us every playoff game. It is rinse and repeat every year. The lack of execution gets old. Please review every playoff loss during the past 7 years. There are fumbles, blocked punts, missed field goals and horrible defensive schemes that cost us year after year after year.

 

[chemist]

Ok, this is my last response to this because you're now making a different argument. Look back at my original response to your comment. It has nothing to do with the 9ers overcoming injuries better than the Packers. This was your comment: and dont give me the injuries tears, every team has them, every team has to deal with them. And then read again what my issue was with that statement. Every team did NOT have the same quality/amount of injuries than the Packers and while yes, every team has to deal with them, only the 9ers were really able to even win just 1 playoff game with them. Again, the argument is that NOT ALL teams faces the same type of injuries and injuries are a very REAL reason for coming up short of expectations. Peace out.

I did no such thing. My original argument was that all teams have to deal with injuries. You're the one who added the addendum of the 9rs and their loss to seattle which then narrowed down my argument to a more specific example.
So you are the one who altered the main argument ..not me
So I have to ask you. How is it that the 9rs were able to manufacture a 12 win season, beat the 2 seed bears before losing out to seattle, the 1 seed, while we were stumbling along enmeshed in a deep losing streak at the end.
Does the 49rs organization have smarter people than us, do they know something we dont know, do they have a secret process that allowed them to get the most out of what they had.
Its obvious they have something we dont. So you can slam the 9rs all you want but their organization and coaching staff far out did us with all their injuries, meaning we are seriously lacking somewhere in our organization.

 

[OldSchool101]

Well, since the GM and HC are settled today for GB the question is what does this team do now? Having watched every game during the playoffs there is a IMO a big difference between most of the teams (except maybe SF, Carolina) and the Packers. OL, GB's OL played to their PFF ranking of between 22 and 26 in the league, virtually every other team in the playoffs had a better ranking as an OL. RB's were pedestrian this year, is Jacobs the guy but he needs another good RB (Bears backs ran for 780 and over 1000 yds this year) The WR group at one time was considered top5 in the NFL, not the case any more and when watching other teams (Bears- Burden, Moore Odunze, Kmet, etc and others) they are lacking. (Note: Despite Caleb Williams 56% completion rate this team won 12 games- amzing). Everyone loves a QB who hits on 66% or more of his passes but it takes someone who can win the big game, put a team on their back and do what it takes - yes a question about J.Love whether he has that ability. The GB D is suspect (after the Parsons injury they fell significantly in results), they have issues at DB and LB. Going into 2026 they are well over the cap have little draft capital left after giving up 2 1sts for Parsons.... overall the point is that GB has holes to fill, has missed on two FA's, draft picks and despite having a foundation- is it enough to get past the Bears who look like they will be lead dog for some time to come. One last thought watching many of the playoff teams, many are electric in going to the ball on D, their OL was punishing against opponents as were their DL getting to the QB - not GB IMO. Long off-season, will be interesting to see what the GM and HC can pull out of their hat, first should be a new OC who can help call plays- along the lines of a B Johnson, Shanahan et al.

Much of this I agree with. Although just a side note. That Cap number includes Elgton Jenkins number and that alone frees up around $20mil, which puts GB to the positive.

The next most important decision is Rashan. We save nearly $11mil by walking away. We have to ask ourselves if Lukas is ready to take his role. I think he is. However it’s all about cost for me. I’d extend Rashan but only if he comes in annual around $20mil. A restructure frees up ~$14mil area and also allows us to create a signing bonus to manipulate our cap as we wish. We can potentially shuffle contracts on others like Xavier or Keisean or Isaiah to move Cap into available status.

There’s a conceivable way to let Jenkins go and restructure or extend or even cut 1 of those players and without getting ugly at all free up $20-25mil and that’s after being well into the Positive to protect our resources (staying under guidelines) It’ll take some crafty maneuvering but we do this all the time so it’s not unchartered capital maneuvering. Matt should likely get several draft picks back from this list who really haven’t contributed.
OT/OG John Williams (7th)
RB Marshawn Lloyd (3rd)
LB Colin Oliver (5th)
OT Travis Glover (6th)

I’m also expecting an outside FA signing in that $4-8Mil area annual for an upgrade along with several incumbents getting resigned.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Injuries don't account for the numerous mistakes that have plagued this team during the MLF tenure. Special teams mistakes cost us every playoff game. It is rinse and repeat every year. The lack of execution gets old. Please review every playoff loss during the past 7 years. There are fumbles, blocked punts, missed field goals and horrible defensive schemes that cost us year after year after year.

Sure, there have been mistakes. There have also been far, far more successes. Like turning Jordan Love into an MVP-caliber QB. Or turning Malik Willis into a starting-level QB. Or coaching a team with the eighth most offensive points scored per game over the past three years. No coach is perfect and evaluating the quality of a coach on whether or not they win the Super Bowl is just as foolish as evaluating a QB on whether or not they win a Super Bowl.

 

[chemist]

Sure, there have been mistakes. There have also been far, far more successes. Like turning Jordan Love into an MVP-caliber QB. Or turning Malik Willis into a starting-level QB. Or coaching a team with the eighth most offensive points scored per game over the past three years. No coach is perfect and evaluating the quality of a coach on whether or not they win the Super Bowl is just as foolish as evaluating a QB on whether or not they win a Super Bowl.

So are you saying its acceptable to you If GB never wins another SB, just as long as they continue to develop guys into better players you would be satisfied with that .

 

[tynimiller]

So are you saying its acceptable to you If GB never wins another SB, just as long as they continue to develop guys into better players you would be satisfied with that .

LOL you grab statements and turn them into what you want like not many can.

Acceptable? Define what you mean by that.

I would say there isn't just a binary option of events - win a SB or don't.

The Packers 2025 season is nowhere close to the same as the Raiders 2025 season....