BryanAschenbrenner
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I can't find any rumors about Peppers being shopped. Where did you guys find out about it?
He's over the hill, I'd rather trade up to draft someone like Lawrence Jackson, as get peppers.
Veretax said:He's over the hill, I'd rather trade up to draft someone like Lawrence Jackson, as get peppers.
You're kidding right? He's only been in the league for about 5 years and dominated in every one of them before having a down year this year.
BryanAschenbrenner said:Veretax said:He's over the hill, I'd rather trade up to draft someone like Lawrence Jackson, as get peppers.
You're kidding right? He's only been in the league for about 5 years and dominated in every one of them before having a down year this year.
He has had a few injuries the last couple of years. Plus he just got extended what last year? You'd have to trade draft picks, and give up a huge Salary to get him. I just don't think he's worth what we would have to give up, that's assuming that this rumor is even true. Why would Indy sign him to a deal and then the next year be shopping him, unless he's broken or something.
Veretax said:BryanAschenbrenner said:Veretax said:He's over the hill, I'd rather trade up to draft someone like Lawrence Jackson, as get peppers.
You're kidding right? He's only been in the league for about 5 years and dominated in every one of them before having a down year this year.
He has had a few injuries the last couple of years. Plus he just got extended what last year? You'd have to trade draft picks, and give up a huge Salary to get him. I just don't think he's worth what we would have to give up, that's assuming that this rumor is even true. Why would Indy sign him to a deal and then the next year be shopping him, unless he's broken or something.
Indy?
i say resign KGB to a cap friendly contract, then trade him and a 3rd rounder for Peppers and a 5th.
at least protect yourself from the possibilities of major screwup.... NO 1st rounders!!
or just keep KGB who outperfomed pep all last year anyway in a situational role.
pack_in_black said:Two words to throw in here: Patrick Kearney.
Everyone was saying the same things about him coming from Atlanta last offseason as a FA, and Seattle gave him a huuuuuuge deal for a guy with so many ??'s. Then he blows up and shows that he is still a viable force in the league.
pack_in_black said:Two words to throw in here: Patrick Kearney.
Everyone was saying the same things about him coming from Atlanta last offseason as a FA, and Seattle gave him a huuuuuuge deal for a guy with so many ??'s. Then he blows up and shows that he is still a viable force in the league.
Peppers didn't have a Kampman playing opposite of him. On the Panthers d-line (which is always injured), Peppers demanded almost all the attention.
I'd love the Pack to make a move for Peppers. At this point, we have had a lot of great young players come in, so I'm not so sold on drafting another 11 players this year. Let's make a deal.
Either way, I'm on board with Thompson/McCarthy and company. I feel like we're heading in a positive direction--just everybody know we don't have a QB who can (or even should), as of right now, play to Favre's 2007 level. And that's no knock on Rodgers. He just needs more time as a starter to be at an elite level--probably.
evad04 said:Peppers didn't have a Kampman playing opposite of him. On the Panthers d-line (which is always injured), Peppers demanded almost all the attention.
I'd love the Pack to make a move for Peppers. At this point, we have had a lot of great young players come in, so I'm not so sold on drafting another 11 players this year. Let's make a deal.
Either way, I'm on board with Thompson/McCarthy and company. I feel like we're heading in a positive direction--just everybody know we don't have a QB who can (or even should), as of right now, play to Favre's 2007 level. And that's no knock on Rodgers. He just needs more time as a starter to be at an elite level--probably.
I'll get back to my point if Peppers is THAT good, why would carolina be shopping him? There has to be a reason for it, and until someone can give me that reason, I'll remain against this trade.
Veretax said:evad04 said:Peppers didn't have a Kampman playing opposite of him. On the Panthers d-line (which is always injured), Peppers demanded almost all the attention.
I'd love the Pack to make a move for Peppers. At this point, we have had a lot of great young players come in, so I'm not so sold on drafting another 11 players this year. Let's make a deal.
Either way, I'm on board with Thompson/McCarthy and company. I feel like we're heading in a positive direction--just everybody know we don't have a QB who can (or even should), as of right now, play to Favre's 2007 level. And that's no knock on Rodgers. He just needs more time as a starter to be at an elite level--probably.
I'll get back to my point if Peppers is THAT good, why would carolina be shopping him? There has to be a reason for it, and until someone can give me that reason, I'll remain against this trade.
Because it seems the panthers are trying to start from scratch.
Im all for peppers playing in the green and gold but at what price and what would we do with KGB?
I would much prefer Peppers to come here than Taylor. If we got peppers our dline would make the giants dline look like a line of rookies.
steveGB said:Veretax said:evad04 said:Peppers didn't have a Kampman playing opposite of him. On the Panthers d-line (which is always injured), Peppers demanded almost all the attention.
I'd love the Pack to make a move for Peppers. At this point, we have had a lot of great young players come in, so I'm not so sold on drafting another 11 players this year. Let's make a deal.
Either way, I'm on board with Thompson/McCarthy and company. I feel like we're heading in a positive direction--just everybody know we don't have a QB who can (or even should), as of right now, play to Favre's 2007 level. And that's no knock on Rodgers. He just needs more time as a starter to be at an elite level--probably.
I'll get back to my point if Peppers is THAT good, why would carolina be shopping him? There has to be a reason for it, and until someone can give me that reason, I'll remain against this trade.
Because it seems the panthers are trying to start from scratch.
Im all for peppers playing in the green and gold but at what price and what would we do with KGB?
I would much prefer Peppers to come here than Taylor. If we got peppers our dline would make the giants dline look like a line of rookies.
Hrms, could be, could be, can't help but wonder how this compares to how Reggie White landed in Green Bay. I agree I'd rather have peppers over Taylor, and Peppers still has some years in him. I'll admit the more I think about this the more I warm to the idea.
So the question is... Let's assume we want Peppers, does anyone know the details of his current contract, and what would you be willing to give up?
de_real_deal said:steveGB said:Veretax said:evad04 said:Peppers didn't have a Kampman playing opposite of him. On the Panthers d-line (which is always injured), Peppers demanded almost all the attention.
I'd love the Pack to make a move for Peppers. At this point, we have had a lot of great young players come in, so I'm not so sold on drafting another 11 players this year. Let's make a deal.
Either way, I'm on board with Thompson/McCarthy and company. I feel like we're heading in a positive direction--just everybody know we don't have a QB who can (or even should), as of right now, play to Favre's 2007 level. And that's no knock on Rodgers. He just needs more time as a starter to be at an elite level--probably.
I'll get back to my point if Peppers is THAT good, why would carolina be shopping him? There has to be a reason for it, and until someone can give me that reason, I'll remain against this trade.
Because it seems the panthers are trying to start from scratch.
Im all for peppers playing in the green and gold but at what price and what would we do with KGB?
I would much prefer Peppers to come here than Taylor. If we got peppers our dline would make the giants dline look like a line of rookies.
Hrms, could be, could be, can't help but wonder how this compares to how Reggie White landed in Green Bay. I agree I'd rather have peppers over Taylor, and Peppers still has some years in him. I'll admit the more I think about this the more I warm to the idea.
So the question is... Let's assume we want Peppers, does anyone know the details of his current contract, and what would you be willing to give up?
Reggie White vs Peppers........ No comparison
Peppers rushes the passer like KGB. Runs around the blocker with speed, leaving running lanes open trying to get sacks.
Reggie White was the best DE vs the run i've ever seen and heppens to be the sack leader, or was anyway. he played straight up defense, getting after the qb without giving up anything vs the run. You know Larry Allen?? Check out what he used to do to Larry Allen with one arm and ask yourself if signing Peppers would compare to when we got Reggie White.
If Peppers played a straight up balanced game like White, he would get beat down and pancaked all day long and be a below average D-Lineman.
P.S., i'm not trying to lay into you, just stating a point. I'm guessing you're pretty young and didnt really see White play in the early 90's.
But hes an everydown lineman and hes much better then KGB. If we can put him in there we can use jenkins back in the DT spot were he was much better than DE. Peppers is a play maker and gets his sacks mid game rather than at the end of a game.
P.S., i'm not trying to lay into you, just stating a point. I'm guessing you're pretty young and didnt really see White play in the early 90's.
steveGB said:But hes an everydown lineman and hes much better then KGB. If we can put him in there we can use jenkins back in the DT spot were he was much better than DE. Peppers is a play maker and gets his sacks mid game rather than at the end of a game.
It does seem like Jenkings is a lot better at DT. He came on fairly strong there at the end of the season / playoffs. I'm sure it won't happen, but a KGB / Kampman / Pepper's DE rotation and a Harrell / Jenkings / Pickett / Jolly / Cole rotation would be MASSIVE and would be hard to stop.
Plus we'd be covered when the inevitable injuries happen. Have Jenkings move to DE occasionaly, and then Pepper's filling in for KGB / Kampman occassionaly on passing downs. It would be constant pressure and a dream for a defensive coordinator and a nightmare for offensive coordinators. Maybe even mix things up with a 5 man defensive line rush, with KGB / Peppers / Kampman all charging at the QB.
Ahhh, to dream!
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One potential issue that I see with this whole theory.. is Peppers and Kampy play the same spot and either has played the other side.. not saying a switch can't happen, but just thought I would throw it out there... Ends get used to rushing and playing from a particular spot..
Pack93z said:One potential issue that I see with this whole theory.. is Peppers and Kampy play the same spot and either has played the other side.. not saying a switch can't happen, but just thought I would throw it out there... Ends get used to rushing and playing from a particular spot..
Yeah I was wondering about that too. I thought Peppers was a Right DE (from the O-s Perspective)