Jordan Love 2025 Version

[Sunshinepacker]

Huh? Half the Packers' receptions were <10 yards. It's not like 10 dumpoffs for 31yds like someone else in the game. Even without Gibbs 10, Goff had half his passes less than 10 yds.

Most teams don’t have half their passes going for 10+ yards.

 

[OldSchool101]

Jordan Ranks between 4-10 in most major categories. I think I saw his DVOA was #4, which is higher than I expected.
Two games in, The Packers rank #1 on both O and D in DVOA.

As far as having that high echelon WR1. While I don’t think it’s a bad thing to have a Davante Adams type player, it can problematic if that player is game planned for or injured etc. The Packers use a philosophy of spreading the ball around. I think that is part of their success. Defenses don’t really know who the ball is going to, which can create some confusion also. So what you lose in 1 guys big play ability, you make up for in team contribution.

 

[OldSchool101]

PFF grade: 6th
Yards: 5th
TD: 6th
Pass EPA: 3rd
INT: 3rd least
Passer Rating: 3rd
Yds/Att: 4th
EPA/Dropback: 2nd
Comp% Over Expected: 5th

Avg against Peers: #4.1

Now what gets interesting. In 3 of 4 contests Love operated without 2 of his Top 4 WR’s (Watson AND Reed). He has not had his starting 5-OL all play over 50%+ snaps since vs. Detroit.

So I ask this. Where would he be ranked with his starting 5 OL and Watson and Reed in the mix?

 

[Voyageur]

PFF grade: 6th
Yards: 5th
TD: 6th
Pass EPA: 3rd
INT: 3rd least
Passer Rating: 3rd
Yds/Att: 4th
EPA/Dropback: 2nd
Comp% Over Expected: 5th

Avg against Peers: #4.1

Now what gets interesting. In 3 of 4 contests Love operated without 2 of his Top 4 WR’s (Watson AND Reed). He has not had his starting 5-OL all play over 50%+ snaps since vs. Detroit.

So I ask this. Where would he be ranked with his starting 5 OL and Watson and Reed in the mix?

I totally agree. He plays some great football. It's just those 4-minute games at the end of both halves that bother me. Even that isn't as much on him as LeFleur.

When LeFleur takes the responsibility for situations there's a good reason, he's making decisions that aren't going to help Love make magic happen. At that point it's up to Love to take a page out of both Favre & Rodgers handbooks and do something a little different to change the results. In most cases it sure couldn't be worse than what's happening.

 

[longtimefan]

Still have people bit ch and call him horrible or 3rd rd talent

 

[Voyageur]

Still have people bit ch and call him horrible or 3rd rd talent

Anyone who says that about him doesn't understand football and there's absolutely no reason to believe anything they say. Love is far from perfect, but I have yet to see the person playing the game who did it perfectly. I always look at it like this. In baseball, if a batter is right in hitting a pitch 30% of the time he's at bat he's considered a phenomenal hitter. That's so far from perfect. Football is no different. They also forget that Love's game is still growing. It isn't like he's a veteran of 8 or 9 campaigns as a starter.

 

[Magooch]

I've been posting this a bit scattered throughout the season, but thought it would be good to get all in one place. Been looking at Love's overall EPA and efficiency stats.

Currently Love is comfortably first in the league in EPA and adjusted EPA per play.
For regular EPA/play he's at 0.307, second is Drake Maye at 0.269
In adjusted EPA/play, Love is at 0.312 and second is Darnold at 0.283
He is 6th in passing success rate (plays with an EPA of >0) and raw passing rate
Additionally, he is 3rd in CPOE (completion percentage over expected), and all that put together has him 3rd in EPA+CPOE per play (Maye 0.200, Darnold 0.199, Love 0.189)

Going back throughout the season:
Love didn't have enough passing reps to clear the minimum threshold for rankings until Week 4.
At that time he immediately entered the rankings at 1st in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA/play, 2nd in EPA/play, 3rd in CPOE.

Week 5: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 3rd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 6: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 7: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 3rd in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 8: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 9: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 10: 4th in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 11: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 3rd in CPOE
Week 12: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 3rd in CPOE

In short, on a per-play basis Love has pretty much been a top-5 QB all year long at worst. And truthfully if we're just looking per-play he's arguably been top 3 (and he's not #3)

 

[Heyjoe4]

Still have people bit ch and call him horrible or 3rd rd talent

It's strange that there are some people who (still) feel this way about Love.

He doesn't play a flashy game with the visible emotion of Favre and Rodgers. He stays calm and doesn't do anything (other than play very, very well) to make him stand out. He's not a rah-rah guy. And that's fine considering how well he plays.

I'd certainly like to see more emotion from him, but that's not who he is. I think Favre and Rodgers either lifted their teammates up, or in Rodgers' case, was unafraid to express disappointment with another player's missed assignment - usually drops - on the field. I'd rather that a QB keep that stuff to the locker room anyway. Rodgers was rarely critical of his own performance, which made calling others out even more noticeable.

So Love is who he is. He simply goes out and gets things done - and especially when the lights are brightest. He doesn't attract much national attention, until his stats are shown. As long as the winning continues, who cares?

But to call him a 3rd-round talent is just wrong. Admittedly, I was slow to get on board with him. He has proven he's one of the top 3-5 QBs in the league, and happily, proven me wrong.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I've been posting this a bit scattered throughout the season, but thought it would be good to get all in one place. Been looking at Love's overall EPA and efficiency stats.

Currently Love is comfortably first in the league in EPA and adjusted EPA per play.
For regular EPA/play he's at 0.307, second is Drake Maye at 0.269
In adjusted EPA/play, Love is at 0.312 and second is Darnold at 0.283
He is 6th in passing success rate (plays with an EPA of >0) and raw passing rate
Additionally, he is 3rd in CPOE (completion percentage over expected), and all that put together has him 3rd in EPA+CPOE per play (Maye 0.200, Darnold 0.199, Love 0.189)

Going back throughout the season:
Love didn't have enough passing reps to clear the minimum threshold for rankings until Week 4.
At that time he immediately entered the rankings at 1st in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA/play, 2nd in EPA/play, 3rd in CPOE.

Week 5: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 3rd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 6: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 7: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 3rd in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 8: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 9: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 10: 4th in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 11: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 3rd in CPOE
Week 12: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 3rd in CPOE

In short, on a per-play basis Love has pretty much been a top-5 QB all year long at worst. And truthfully if we're just looking per-play he's arguably been top 3 (and he's not #3)

Great summary, thanks M.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Anyone who says that about him doesn't understand football and there's absolutely no reason to believe anything they say. Love is far from perfect, but I have yet to see the person playing the game who did it perfectly. I always look at it like this. In baseball, if a batter is right in hitting a pitch 30% of the time he's at bat he's considered a phenomenal hitter. That's so far from perfect. Football is no different. They also forget that Love's game is still growing. It isn't like he's a veteran of 8 or 9 campaigns as a starter.

Strange that he still has detractors. I was certainly slow to get on board with him and did not think he could perform at this level. Happy to be wrong about that.

 

[Heyjoe4]

PFF grade: 6th
Yards: 5th
TD: 6th
Pass EPA: 3rd
INT: 3rd least
Passer Rating: 3rd
Yds/Att: 4th
EPA/Dropback: 2nd
Comp% Over Expected: 5th

Avg against Peers: #4.1

Now what gets interesting. In 3 of 4 contests Love operated without 2 of his Top 4 WR’s (Watson AND Reed). He has not had his starting 5-OL all play over 50%+ snaps since vs. Detroit.

So I ask this. Where would he be ranked with his starting 5 OL and Watson and Reed in the mix?

Good summary OS. Here's the stat that jumps out for me:

INT: 3rd least

I think he's thrown 19 TDs to 3 pics, very Rodgers-like. He's eliminated those rare but stupid throws, trying to make something out of nothing. That's in the past. I hope he has an MVP in his future.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Most teams don’t have half their passes going for 10+ yards.

Yeah that sounds like it rarely, or never, happens over the course of the season.

And shorter routes usually lead to moving the sticks. Nothing wrong with that. Goff is a very good QB. Like Love, he's just not a flashy guy.

 

[Heyjoe4]

What Love needs to do is start getting on the same page as his receivers. He needs to know where they will be and they need to know where he expects them to be. Rodgers showed this in his career by year 2 or 3 as a starter. Granted that ARod had a plethora of talent and smarts in his receiving corps that was there in the Favre era, but that can come by working with your guys. Peyton, Brees, Montana, and Brady did that every year. In 2023 Love made some epic throws in big games down the stretch. It made for great highlights but when I watched them over and over they made me think of old Joe Kapp with the Vikings who threw up anything and it somehow got results.

That's a valid criticism.

I've seen him miss guys who were wide open. Now that happens when a QB is getting pressured and easy to second guess because it seems so obvious on replay. Rodgers had some kind of weird-*** telepathy with some of his WRs, like Nelson and Adams. He always seemed to know where his guys would be, although his lack of trust was a liability IMO. Love has to work on that. And the OL needs to do a better job of giving him time to find those guys.

As for passing off his back foot - IMO he doesn't have the arm strength that Favre and Rodgers had to pull that off. That may be wrong, but just from a mechanical point of view, it's much better to have the feet planted properly.

Love doesn't make the kind of amazing, cross-body throws that guys like Favre, Rodgers, Mahomes, Jackson pull off - or maybe I'm just not seeing it. So it's more important than ever for the WRs and TEs to be running solid routes, and for Love to know where they'll be.

 

[Heyjoe4]

To be brutally honest, Love got the right breaks leading to a seemingly dominant performance.

If that Pick 6 stood.... we'd be seeing a vastly different game. There was a near INT a couple plays before too.

He certainly was confident, picked his receivers well, made the right throws and overall showed right signs of progression.

The usual taking foot off the pedal when up can be attributed more to MLF, but Love needs to share a bit more ownership.

A "seemingly dominant performance"? What is "seemingly dominant" about 4 TD passes? It's just dominant.

I didn't see MLF or Love take their respective foot off the gas on Thursday. It has been a valid criticism of MLF in the past, but is sure seems like he's gotten beyond that. He started aggressive and stayed aggressive for all 60 minutes.

MM would play not to lose frequently, and notoriously against Seattle in 2014.

But criticism like this of Love's Thanksgiving performance is way off base, IMO.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Even several of those big throws against Minnesota, Detroit, and Dallas in late 2023 that went for big yards and TDs came off the back foot.

Yeah it may be bad technique, but results are all that matter. Proper technique has been a luxury for Love this year. OL play has been inconsistent in pass support, IMO.

 

[milani]

Yeah it may be bad technique, but results are all that matter. Proper technique has been a luxury for Love this year. OL play has been inconsistent in pass support, IMO.

We used to call it a " Joe Kapp throw. "

 

[Firethorn1001]

A "seemingly dominant performance"? What is "seemingly dominant" about 4 TD passes? It's just dominant.

Those comments were from the 1st Detroit game back in September.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Those comments were from the 1st Detroit game back in September.

Gotcha. That's surprising. I don't remember him throwing one TD in that win. My guess is Jacobs had one or two.

 

[Heyjoe4]

We used to call it a " Joe Kapp throw. "

Yikes! I'm old enough to remember those!

 

[Magooch]

I've been posting this a bit scattered throughout the season, but thought it would be good to get all in one place. Been looking at Love's overall EPA and efficiency stats.

Currently Love is comfortably first in the league in EPA and adjusted EPA per play.
For regular EPA/play he's at 0.307, second is Drake Maye at 0.269
In adjusted EPA/play, Love is at 0.312 and second is Darnold at 0.283
He is 6th in passing success rate (plays with an EPA of >0) and raw passing rate
Additionally, he is 3rd in CPOE (completion percentage over expected), and all that put together has him 3rd in EPA+CPOE per play (Maye 0.200, Darnold 0.199, Love 0.189)

Going back throughout the season:
Love didn't have enough passing reps to clear the minimum threshold for rankings until Week 4.
At that time he immediately entered the rankings at 1st in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA/play, 2nd in EPA/play, 3rd in CPOE.

Week 5: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 3rd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 6: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 7: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 3rd in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 8: 2nd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 5th in CPOE
Week 9: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 10: 4th in EPA+CPOE, 2nd in adjusted EPA, 2nd in EPA, 4th in CPOE
Week 11: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 3rd in CPOE
Week 12: 3rd in EPA+CPOE, 1st in adjusted EPA, 1st in EPA, 3rd in CPOE

In short, on a per-play basis Love has pretty much been a top-5 QB all year long at worst. And truthfully if we're just looking per-play he's arguably been top 3 (and he's not #3)

Dropping by for another update.

After yesterday's game:

#1 in Total EPA
#1 in EPA per play
#1 in adjusted EPA per play
#2 in EPA+CPOE composite
#2 in Total QBR
#2 in PFF grade
#3 in CPOE
#4 in Passer Rating
#4 in INT percentage (and really more like #3. One of the players ahead of him has been benched and only played 9 games)
#5 in ANY/A
#6 in completion percentage
#6 in passing success rate (plays with positive EPA)
#8 in pass TDs
#9 in passing yards

Love does lag behind in some of the "raw" stats but IMO a lot of that is just a function of having less opportunity to generate those "volume" stats (he is something like 14th or 15th in total passing attempts). On a per-play efficiency basis Love is as good or better than any player in the league right now

 

[Heyjoe4]

Dropping by for another update.

After yesterday's game:

#1 in Total EPA
#1 in EPA per play
#1 in adjusted EPA per play
#2 in EPA+CPOE composite
#2 in Total QBR
#2 in PFF grade
#3 in CPOE
#4 in Passer Rating
#4 in INT percentage (and really more like #3. One of the players ahead of him has been benched and only played 9 games)
#5 in ANY/A
#6 in completion percentage
#6 in passing success rate (plays with positive EPA)
#8 in pass TDs
#9 in passing yards

Love does lag behind in some of the "raw" stats but IMO a lot of that is just a function of having less opportunity to generate those "volume" stats (he is something like 14th or 15th in total passing attempts). On a per-play efficiency basis Love is as good or better than any player in the league right now

Love has really improved his completion % this year. I think it's around 70%, or maybe slightly higher. Williams, on the other hand, has a ow completion %. He leaves the pocket too soon, although he made some damn fine plays yesterday, always going to his right it seemed. The one time he went to his left, Nixon picked him.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Is there any way we can get Toyota to extend Toyotathon through 2/28/26?

 

[Heyjoe4]

Is there any way we can get Toyota to extend Toyotathon through 2/28/26?

What am I missing here Suds?

 

[Pkrjones]

What am I missing here Suds?

For Jordan Love, Toyotathon’s About More Than Ugly Sweaters, Trading Cards

GREEN BAY, Wis. – Toyotathon opened for business on Sunday, and Jordan Love celebrated like always. He threw two touchdown passes, including the go-ahead score

www.si.com

 

[milani]

Love has really improved his completion % this year. I think it's around 70%, or maybe slightly higher. Williams, on the other hand, has a ow completion %. He leaves the pocket too soon, although he made some damn fine plays yesterday, always going to his right it seemed. The one time he went to his left, Nixon picked him.

Caleb does pretty darn well for a guy that runs around all over the place. Reminds me of Fran Tarkenton in his first decade. Just hope he never settles in like Frannie and calmly beats you with ***** and dunks.