Jordan Love 2025 Version

[Pkrjones]

I read that Golden made a good gain on a sweep. I don't like it. If he gets hurt running that play; it's totally on LaFleur. It's just not worth the chance imho.

True to MLF... he lost yards on his 1st sweep, then broke a long gainer on #2. MLF just wants to keep forcing that play onto the call sheet.

 

[OldSchool101]

I've watched a lot of Golden's college tape, and I feel very sure that whatever he may lack in pure speed, he more than makes up for in quickness, separation, and route-running. One of his greatest strengths is his footwork; he is very precise in his routes, and uses a change of speed to throw off a DB's timing. He makes clean cuts, and comes out of them explosively. He's not an easy guy to cover.

And remember, he didn't have a very good quarterback last season, and had to work hard to haul in a lot of the downfield passes.

I remember before the draft, I found this scouting report that's very thorough...

Matthew Golden NFL Draft 2025 profile: Full scouting report, pro comparison, future outlook and more

The former Texas standout may be the first WR off the board

www.cbssports.com

That’s something I saw when I reviewed a couple games post draft. Ewers would toss the ball and it would literally be uncatchable. A few were towards the sideline 5 yards away and Golden didn’t even reach they were basically throwaways.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I read that Golden made a good gain on a sweep. I don't like it. If he gets hurt running that play; it's totally on LaFleur. It's just not worth the chance imho.

I'm not crazy about WR sweeps either gopkrs. And it's not about a specific player or injury (although the odds of injury are probably higher than simply running a route). The play takes so long to develop, most Ds have time to adjust and the gains are usually small, imo.

A sweep requires the D to be almost completely off guard and slow to react. In the same spirit, I don't like using WRs as RBs. The Packers did that with Ty Montgomery and it failed. There is talk of doing it with Williams due to his size. Like the sweep, just not crazy about it.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't like using WRs as RBs. The Packers did that with Ty Montgomery and it failed.

Certainly there’s some varying thoughts to using WR in the Run game and just know I respect your opinion there either way. I see what you mean about avoiding injury. I just recall Ty doing a solid job there when he was called on to switch roles. I just went back and looked and while in GB, he posted 177 Rushes for 4.97 yards per carry and 7 TD’s. I think it’s fair to say that pretty good production.
Just for comparative look at Emanuel Wilson. Emanuel has 117 Attempts for 5.0 per carry and 5 TD’s. Virtually identical success rates across similar carries. So really Ty did a good job when asked to Run the ball and was quite the versatile player.

I don’t have any issue with it, but I might limit that when it’s smaller players like Golden or Reed. That’s part of the reason I’m not fond of putting Golden or Reed over Hardman on Teams for PR. I just have flashbacks of Khylin Hill and I ask myself… would Golden be that much better? An extra yard? Maybe?

 

[Heyjoe4]

Certainly there’s some varying thoughts to using WR in the Run game and just know I respect your opinion there either way. I see what you mean about avoiding injury. I just recall Ty doing a solid job there when he was called on to switch roles. I just went back and looked and while in GB, he posted 177 Rushes for 4.97 yards per carry and 7 TD’s. I think it’s fair to say that pretty good production.
Just for comparative look at Emanuel Wilson. Emanuel has 117 Attempts for 5.0 per carry and 5 TD’s. Virtually identical success rates across similar carries. So really Ty did a good job when asked to Run the ball and was quite the versatile player.

I don’t have any issue with it, but I might limit that when it’s smaller players like Golden or Reed. That’s part of the reason I’m not fond of putting Golden or Reed over Hardman on Teams for PR. I just have flashbacks of Khylin Hill and I ask myself… would Golden be that much better? An extra yard? Maybe?

Do you know where Montgomery is playing now? I saw him in a game and thought it was the Ravens.

 

[OldSchool101]

Do you know where Montgomery is playing now? I saw him in a game and thought it was the Ravens.

I don’t. I thought he retired? He’s been in the league for a long time.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I don’t. I thought he retired? He’s been in the league for a long time.

He was waved by the Patriots in late 23, then retired in September of last year when he failed to get any attention as a free agent.

 

[OldSchool101]

He was waved by the Patriots in late 23, then retired in September of last year when he failed to get any attention as a free agent.

He had a pretty nice career and just sorta flew under the radar. Over 8 seasons he made $7.2mil. While it’s certainly not All Pro $$ it goes to show how just being consistent pays off.

Ty is fully Vested in his retirement plan and accrued a solid 8 seasons towards the calculation. Most players apply a % to a 401K, which compounds each season. The NFL Pension plan pays on average around ~$40-50K annually. If he was putting away that 10%? he’d have over $1Mil+ in a retirement account today.

At a 12-15% annual return rate his 401K would double every 5-6 years. If he stays frugal until 2030 timeframe or so and starts drawing the annual growth off that? At 10-15% annual, he’d collect around $15-25,000 monthly starting 5 years (depending on the Market) Plus his retirement etc. obviously this doesn’t factor $ he’s blown or $ he’s invested in other sources, but an 8 year NFL playing career at lower $salary is substantial.

Not a bad gig!

 

[Heyjoe4]

He was waved by the Patriots in late 23, then retired in September of last year when he failed to get any attention as a free agent.

Thanks 13. I didn't know he retired.

 

[gopkrs]

In the NFL channel top 100, I was very surprised to see Bo Nix rated ahead of Jordan Love. I have not watched that much Bo though I have seen him do some good things, but still.

 

[OldSchool101]

In the NFL channel top 100, I was very surprised to see Bo Nix rated ahead of Jordan Love. I have not watched that much Bo though I have seen him do some good things, but still.

Nix was very comparable to Love in 2024. Passing stats were nearly a dead heat. Although I think this had to do more with Jordan’s legs. Nix performed very similar to 2023 Love in the Run game. Bo had 430 rushing 4.7 per 4TD’s, so he probably won that 2024 tiebreaker imo. That said if I were betting on a 2025 model, I’d still put my $$ on Jordan Love.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

In the NFL channel top 100, I was very surprised to see Bo Nix rated ahead of Jordan Love. I have not watched that much Bo though I have seen him do some good things, but still.

Recency bias. Nix had a surprising rookie season while Love struggled with injuries. And, tbf, Nix had a pretty good season last year with 3,700 yards passing, 29 TDs, 12 INTs, and 430 yards rushing (Bears fans would be over the moon is Wiliams sniffed those numbers). I will be terribly disappointed if Love isn't capable of putting those numbers to shame next season and takes a spot in the top-50.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Recency bias. Nix had a surprising rookie season while Love struggled with injuries. And, tbf, Nix had a pretty good season last year with 3,700 yards passing, 29 TDs, 12 INTs, and 430 yards rushing (Bears fans would be over the moon is Wiliams sniffed those numbers). I will be terribly disappointed if Love isn't capable of putting those numbers to shame next season and takes a spot in the top-50.

Agreed. Long-term, I believe (hope?) Love will be a top 5 QB in the NFL - starting this season.

As for Nix, he did have a great rookie season. I expect he will continue to be a challenge for opponents.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Here are two angles on what Matt calls his favorite Jordan Love throw from last year... I don't even remember this one; must have been looking away from the TV or something.

But damn, it's an amazing play!

”Definitely at Detroit,” LaFleur told Clark. “They brought a pressure up the middle, we didn’t pick it up. He was able to — I don’t know how — he was able to evade the defender. Reset his feet, flip his hips, and hit Christian Watson over the middle on a high cross.”

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[tynimiller]

Here are two angles on what Matt calls his favorite Jordan Love throw from last year... I don't even remember this one; must have been looking away from the TV or something.

But damn, it's an amazing play!

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I remember swearing (not an incredibly common thing) an expletive when he eluded that and my wife got so mad because my son was in the room LOL

 

[OldSchool101]

Most often, when I go back and watch a game or two (condensed) I almost forget how good Love looks. For Jordan, the biggest factor is surrounding him with consistency at OL. He’s proven that even with average to above average Receivers he can perform. I’m pretty sure if you put Jordan on the Eagles last season they would still be highly successful. He might not be Aaron Rodgers prime yet, but he’s easily good enough to Win a SB imo. His primary focus needs to be protecting the football better and not getting desperate trying to force the ball. Remaining patient.

I think he’s confident in himself and I don’t want him to lose that. There’s a fine line in reeling back the riskier throws in postseason. Particularly in close games. Don’t be a Favre

 

[tynimiller]

Most often, when I go back and watch a game or two (condensed) I almost forget how good Love looks. For Jordan, the biggest factor is surrounding him with consistency at OL. He’s proven that even with average to above average Receivers he can perform. I’m pretty sure if you put Jordan on the Eagles last season they would still be highly successful. He might not be Aaron Rodgers prime yet, but he’s easily good enough to Win a SB imo. His primary focus needs to be protecting the football better and not getting desperate trying to force the ball. Remaining patient.

I think he’s confident in himself and I don’t want him to lose that. There’s a fine line in reeling back the riskier throws in postseason. Particularly in close games. Don’t be a Favre

I hesitate to say this will never happen but I don’t think we will ever say Love lost us a game on the whole of a game…maybe once a year, if that.

 

[gopkrs]

I think to open things up, Love is going to have to do some running this year.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think to open things up, Love is going to have to do some running this year.

It helps. Actually one of then things that helped Love in 2023 was his scrambling ability. He’s reminiscent of a young Aaron Rodgers in that he’s not seen as a Runner. Yet if you discounted him he’d double check you. Love had a very good 4.9 per carry, 16 1st Downs and 4 TD’s in his first starting season. He’s just good enough to punish you in the Run game if left unattended.

Also just an observation, but Love has a very strong lower body. Sitting next to Josh Jacobs in an interview the other night and his Legs were similar sized but at 6’4” tall.

 

[Thirteen Below]

It helps. Actually one of then things that helped Love in 2023 was his scrambling ability. He’s reminiscent of a young Aaron Rodgers in that he’s not seen as a Runner. Yet if you discounted him he’d double check you. Love had a very good 4.9 per carry, 16 1st Downs and 4 TD’s in his first starting season. He’s just good enough to punish you in the Run game if left unattended.

His rushing stats in his rookie season were better than Aaron's in (I believe) every column except 1st downs - Rodgers had 21 to Love's 16.

But Love had quite a few more yards on fewer carries, and 1.2 yards per carry better than Rodgers. That damn cow pasture in Brazil really cost him (and Green Bay) a wasted season last year.

Also just an observation, but Love has a very strong lower body. Sitting next to Josh Jacobs in an interview the other night and his Legs were similar sized but at 6’4” tall.

They're very similar in build, but Love is a couple inches taller than Rodgers, and (to my eye) a faster - or at least, quicker - runner than Rodgers.

 

[OldSchool101]

His rushing stats in his rookie season were better than Aaron's in (I believe) every column except 1st downs - Rodgers had 2 to Love's 16.

But Love had quite a few more yards on fewer carries, and 1.2 yards per carry better than Rodgers. That damn cow pasture in Brazil really cost him (and Green Bay) a wasted season last year.


They're very similar in build, but Love is a couple inches taller than Rodgers, and (to my eye) a faster - or at least, quicker - runner than Rodgers.

Yes. Love doesn’t go down as quickly. He’s very sturdy and guys kinda slide off him. Rodgers would tuck and crumble a little faster than Love, even early on.

The 2 QB’s were VERY similar athletically coming out of College. I remember thinking almost identical. I’d give Love a very slight edge as a runner though when healthy.

 

[thequick12]

What id like to see Love do as a runner is...take it when it's there. If you can get a easy first down take it if there's no throw available. If you can get a big chunk take it. He's of 20, 30, 40 yard runs at the right moment. If he takes advantage more it'll be really beneficial. I think he will as hes now fully healthy again

The example that stands out is in the playoff loss to SF. If he just runs on first down when nothings open instead of making that Favre throw. He could of possibly won a SB

 

[Pkrjones]

Love injured his left thumb against the Jets. Had it taped yesterday, and will have surgery to fix a torn ligament. May be ready to play a series or 2 in last preseason game, or certainly for season opener.

 

[thequick12]

Smh I guess not fully healthy

 

[El Guapo]

Non-throwing hand is probably the best situation, but that thumb still plays a role in receiving the snaps from center.