Joe Barry is our new DC

[adambr2]

I get that most people don't like this hire, and that's fine. I have my opinions, but I get it.

But I am seriously blown away at how many flat out untrue things are being said about Barry by people that are upset. So far I've seen:

• He hasn't developed anyone at his positon.
• He was fired by the Bucs.
• He was fired by the Trojans.
• His Washington teams were constantly getting blown out.
• McVay and Staley both knew he was nothing more than a LB Coach.
• His improvement to scoring D in 2015 was somehow due to a bunch of players that were added in 2016.

All demonstrably untrue.

If this guy is so horrible, I'd think people could find more criticisms of him that are actually true.

Sure, here's two:

- Dead last in 3rd down defense in his last DC season

- Poor run defense

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...e-coordinator-assistants-washington/96202134/

 

[melvin dangerr]

Can we for once get a hire with a proven record, or is MLF looking to be Dallas next head coach

 

[PackinMSP]

Ok, Joe Barry. Here are my thoughts as succinctly as possible:

• The fact that he wasn't very successful in his first stops as a DC is a strike against him.

• Rod Marinelli went on from those Dolphins days to be a strong DC.

• Barry made a pretty decent improvement in Washington compared to what was going on before him.

• His coaching pedigree, especially recently, is strong-- Monte Kiffin, Rod Marinelli, Wade Phillips, and Brandon Staley.

• There are some good marks of success as a position coach (e.g. Cory Littleton, Alec Ogletree)

• Seems fairly plain to me that the Packers wanted someone to install and teach that defense that worked so well in LA last year.

• I'm not surprised that they believe Barry can do that job, given that Staley was going to bring him along to LA.

• Sometimes past failure at coordinator or head coach positions turns out to be a sign that a guy can't do the job.

• Sometimes past failure at coordinator or head coach positions precedes success (look up Vic Fangio's run in Houston, or his early days in Chicago).

• He reminds me a lot of the LaFleur hire-- good coaching pedigree, underwhelming results as a coordinator, hired to install the system that's working well in the league at the moment.

This is it.

I think you got it man, to install the scheme and system

I mean this may also be a vote of confidence to our defensive players bc, as most have pointed out, there is definitely talent on the defense

Perhaps this scheme/system can and will bring out the best in our guys

 

[Dantés]

I feel like this is the opposite of the LaFleur hire.

LaFleur was (is) young with one year as OC under his belt. He's been a breath of fresh air and awesome with this opportunity.

Barry has had chances, and I'm not banking on him finding the fountain of youth and giving the defense a newfound identity.

At the end of the day, I'm just underwhelmed, but there really wasn't a scenario where we'd be excited besides Leonard, who could have easily busted.

It's different in that he's not a super young guy, but it's similar in that fans are suspicious of his work as a coordinator, but he's running the "in" system, and has good coaching influences.

 

[PackinMSP]

I feel like this is the opposite of the LaFleur hire.

LaFleur was (is) young with one year as OC under his belt. He's been a breath of fresh air and awesome with this opportunity.

Barry has had chances, and I'm not banking on him finding the fountain of youth and giving the defense a newfound identity.

At the end of the day, I'm just underwhelmed, but there really wasn't a scenario where we'd be excited besides Leonard, who could have easily busted.

Elviro(sp?) Was the other guy... I'm thinking they want to install the scheme/system

 

[Dantés]

I'm curious as to why Washington fired Barry after just 2 seasons if he just made that defense so much better.

They made some investments in 2016, and the defense improved only slightly. So I suppose that's why.

 

[longtimefan]

I stand corrected. I sure can understand, however, how one would be pretty disgusted about hiring a DC who has never been higher than 28th in total defense in 4 seasons.

2005? Packers were number one in passing yards allowed.

Were 4 and 12

 

[melvin dangerr]

I stand corrected. I sure can understand, however, how one would be pretty disgusted about hiring a DC who has never been higher than 28th in total defense in 4 seasons.

And 19th in scoring D

 

[Dantés]

And 19th in scoring D

17th in 2015

19th in 2016

 

[melvin dangerr]

I agree that the front office gave this its blessing

 

[longtimefan]

And 19th in scoring D

Only yards count when you try to prove a point

 

[melvin dangerr]

Only yards count when you try to prove a point

I didn’t get that one

 

[longtimefan]

I didn’t get that one

28th in total Def was the point as why barry was wrong.

That wasnt scoring..was total..Def

 

[Dantés]

I didn’t get that one

He's saying that people who are upset about this hire are focusing on total defense, not scoring defense, because it casts Barry in a worse light.

 

[melvin dangerr]

He's saying that people who are upset about this hire are focusing on total defense, not scoring defense, because it casts Barry in a worse light.

I got you thanks

 

[Ogsponge]

I really am shocked that Jim Leonhard apparently was the first choice and he turned us down. It just makes no sense to my brain at all. I don’t understand wanting to stay in college but to each their own.

Who the hell is Joe Barry? Seriously...

 

[Dantés]

I really am shocked that Jim Leonhard apparently was the first choice and he turned us down. It just makes no sense to my brain at all. I don’t understand wanting to stay in college but to each their own.

Who the hell is Joe Barry? Seriously...

Don’t worry!

I have learned over the last 12 hours that knowing literally anything about him is not a prerequisite to knowing that he absolutely sucks.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Interesting ...

Honestly if Its some hybrid 3-4 Tampa 2 I would LOVE that as I think we have the personnel for that with 2 good safeties, fast middle linebackers (can they cover?) and this would actually "fit" Kevin Kings skillset better if we keep him

Obviously you let J'aire do his thing

Preston Smith is likely gone, although he did play under Barry before so who knows now

I think this is a point that can't be discussed enough. A big reason why the defense imploded on the final drive of the game was they couldn't figure out who should stay on the field resulting in their 12 man penalty and guys not getting anywhere near set. I wanted to just have a base defense and not have these specialists like Will Redmond come in and put a dent in the season. There is so much confusion with our defense as the players seem to never figure it out. I think the best thing for this defense right now is to simplify it. The different packages nonstop is not the way to do it IMO. Obviously you need different packages but I think Green Bay has taken it to the next extreme.

 

[Pugger]

LOL at the people already declaring this hire a failure.

Must suck to be that irrationally pessimistic.

The reason why folks aren't happy is this guy hasn't had much success as a DC so far in his career. His resume doesn't elicit a lot of excitement, that's for sure.

 

[PackAttack12]

They made some investments in 2016, and the defense improved only slightly. So I suppose that's why.

17th in 2015

19th in 2016

He's saying that people who are upset about this hire are focusing on total defense, not scoring defense, because it casts Barry in a worse light.

So if we're only to look at scoring defense, how did they improve slightly with the improvements, given that they went from 17th to 19th?

 

[rmontro]

- Dead last in 3rd down defense in his last DC season

- Poor run defense

Oh well, there's your answer. He'll fit right in with Green Bay. Got to keep those traditions alive.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Is he going to run the same system that he had in Detroit or Washington? I think that's the question. Will he keep the same positional coaches that we have now or is he going to raid the cupboards of the Rams defensive coaching staff?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't like the hire of Barry at all as I hoped the Packers would bring in a young and upcomer who hadn't completely failed in one of his previous stints as a defensive coordinator while he had mild success in his other tenure at the position.

I'm hopeful MLF made the right decision but there's reason for skepticism before actually seeing his defense perform on the field.

Eh, last year the defense was average over the entire season with a spectacular breakdown by Kevin King in the final game of the year.

Once again, the Packers were a top 10 scoring defense in the second half of last season.

The Packer's roster, as of now, will feature one elite corner, one potentially decent corner, and perhaps 3 corners that have either been bad or not played.

Would you care to elaborate who is the potentially decent corner currently under contract for next season?

I don’t know why people cite yards allowed instead of points.

Well, let's take a look at Barry's success using points allowed. The 2007-08 Lions (when Barry was their defensive coordinator) allowed the most points in a two year span since the NFL went to 16 games aside of the 2008-09 Lions (with him being the DC for one of those seasons as well).

Not a glowing report for him by any means.

 

[Snoops]

Sarcastic or stupid. One of the two, at minimum.

How nice of you... I appreciate the kind words.... smh

 

[hasamikun]

I think this is a point that can't be discussed enough. A big reason why the defense imploded on the final drive of the game was they couldn't figure out who should stay on the field resulting in their 12 man penalty and guys not getting anywhere near set. I wanted to just have a base defense and not have these specialists like Will Redmond come in and put a dent in the season. There is so much confusion with our defense as the players seem to never figure it out. I think the best thing for this defense right now is to simplify it. The different packages nonstop is not the way to do it IMO. Obviously you need different packages but I think Green Bay has taken it to the next extreme.

Correct me if I am wrong but the same thing was said when Pettine came in and people praised him for doing exactly this. I am not an X and O guy but it seemed to me that the defense was already pretty dumbed down. So its either our players on defense are not the brightest ones or Pettine made a bad job at communicating his defense. Also the 12 men on the field in the last drive was clearly on purpose, you shouldnt count that.

Now, I dont know that much Barry but if he is a good communicator and teacher, he might work out. One thing that was praised about Evero is exactly that and thats why I hoped they take him.
Barry gets the benefit of the doubt from me because Staley decided to bring him to the Chargers, along with a minor promotion. He also worked under some pretty good defensive minds in the league and hopefully developed enough to overcome his shortcomings from his previous two gigs at DC. My guess to why Packers brin him in is that he changed his prefered system to a similar system the Rams ran under Staley, which was really really successful. Packers did the same thing with MLF so lets hope it pans out.

Its a really tough hire to sell, especially after Leonhard denied the Packers, still pissed about this.