Is Rodgers All In?

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I don't keep a wide receiver for special teams. It would be a plus if he was good though. But receiver first.
If you have really good depth at WR and one of them is also a really good special teams guy, I say that is the WR you want to dress as your #4 or 5 WR every game. For quite awhile, the back end of the Packers WR room hasn't excelled at WR or playing special teams, I hope that changes.
 

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Right, but you aren't going to change Rodgers at this point, so you work with what you have, which is a damn good QB. His style if game is what it is, he doesn't like to throw interceptions and thus doesn't throw much to guys he doesn't trust. How do establish trust? On the practice field and in games. I can't tell you how many times we have heard him talk about certain receivers really starting to click in practice.
Yeah it's hard to argue with his record. A lot of yards, a lot of TDs, and and amazingly low number of INTs. And that's one way a team gets to 13 wins three years in a row. They don't give the ball away.
 

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If you have really good depth at WR and one of them is also a really good special teams guy, I say that is the WR you want to dress as your #4 or 5 WR every game. For quite awhile, the back end of the Packers WR room hasn't excelled at WR or playing special teams, I hope that changes.
No kidding. Well with Bisaccia the FO has finally taken action on STs. Now MLF has to give him the guys he wants, meaning some guys in the top half of the roster, to play on STs.
 
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Even if you dont want to believe that Rodgers working with the team benefits everyone from both a physical and mental level, it is hard for me to understand that anyone can't see the benefits of him being there outweigh any possible negatives you can come up with.

I guess Rodgers being injured in a meaningless practice in May or June would hugely outweigh any positives that might come by him showing up.

I really hope Rodgers spreads it around. A few drops here and there won't kill him. It's just that if a player consistently drops passes or even looks like he was just kind of lucky making a catch; that player (in my book) is on the watch list. Take him out that game and let him start fresh in another. But when it looks like a habit; you gotta let him go.

I don't believe Rodgers has any issue with a receiver dropping the ball occasionally as long as he has sufficient knowledge of the playbook.

Besides the reps being missed, its Rodgers ability to coach his receivers, OL and RB' on some of the nuances of the offense.

There's no point of teaching the nuances of the offense to players who don't know the basics of it at this point.

I don't keep a wide receiver for special teams. It would be a plus if he was good though. But receiver first.

The Packers learned the hard way last year that it's smart to keep players solely based on their performance on special teams as well.

But I do think that success comes more from his arm than from his head.

Rodgers is definitely one of the smartest quarterbacks in the league and excels in correctly adjusting to defensive schemes.
His style if game is what it is, he doesn't like to throw interceptions and thus doesn't throw much to guys he doesn't trust.

Brady was pretty adamant about not targeting receivers he doesn't trust. I think all successful quarterbacks don't that.

While I think OTA’s would’ve been a plus and good gesture, if Rodgers makes a personal commitment to getting Watson and Doubs (and anyone else that’s new) up to speed? Aaron still has adequate time to fill in some gaps and cracks and assist this group in hitting the ground running.

The fact he will commit to that I have no idea?

If nothing else, this topic has shown me that Rodgers is out alone on his own little island and due to how talented the guy is, some Packer fans seem to be just fine with it.

Both of you should read the article on packers.com about Rodgers approaching Tyler Davis shortly after he was acquired in being there for him if he needs some help to understand his level of commitment.

Howard had 220 plus yards in the 97 SB. He put the game away with a 99 yard KO return for a TD and I think returned a punt for 60 plus yards. He added some more yards receiving. First time I remember a ST's guy winning a SB MVP.

Howard is still the only special teamer who won the award.
 

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If you have really good depth at WR and one of them is also a really good special teams guy, I say that is the WR you want to dress as your #4 or 5 WR every game. For quite awhile, the back end of the Packers WR room hasn't excelled at WR or playing special teams, I hope that changes.
I agree that all things being equal; you take someone that can play ST. But I still would prefer the 5th guy to be a receiver first. Remember Rossum. He was an excellent punt returner but rarely saw the field otherwise...like Howard. So I think it is worth it to keep a punt returner (more than a kick off returner). I just don't like to think of him as part of the depth chart.
 
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This isn't about Rodgers abilities whatsoever. Remove that from the equation. This is about him being a leader, as well as what him going through film studies, drills, etc. with his teammates does for those teammates, as well as what it does for their connection with him and ultimately the team.

If nothing else, this topic has shown me that Rodgers is out alone on his own little island and due to how talented the guy is, some Packer fans seem to be just fine with it.
Oh I agree. It’s not how I would’ve personally handled the start to this season. It was the perfect opportunity to make a bold statemrnt of action without words. Just show up, I don’t care if he just reviewed film or hung out with the new guys.

But as you said somewhere else, we’re not going to change who Aaron Rodgers is at the core. He has a self righteous component about him that is like grizzle that you can’t cut out without ruining some good meat.
 
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Both of you should read the article on packers.com about Rodgers approaching Tyler Davis shortly after he was acquired in being there for him if he needs some help to understand his level of commitment.
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I agree that all things being equal; you take someone that can play ST. But I still would prefer the 5th guy to be a receiver first. Remember Rossum. He was an excellent punt returner but rarely saw the field otherwise...like Howard. So I think it is worth it to keep a punt returner (more than a kick off returner). I just don't like to think of him as part of the depth chart.
Well the Packers have a couple of WR's (Rodgers and Doubs) now that could flourish at both WR and returner. I'm thinking Amari will step it up on both ends this season and the early word on Doubs is that he is impressing a lot of people.
 

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I guess Rodgers being injured in a meaningless practice in May or June would hugely outweigh any positives that might come by him showing up.
Again, if injury is a concern, then he doesn't practice, but he should still be there. If you are that concerned about injury, should he be golfing or working out? Standing on the sidelines or sitting in the film room, would be about as safe as you could get, short of putting him in bubble wrap.
 
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Again, if injury is a concern, then he doesn't practice, but he should still be there. If you are that concerned about injury, she he be golfing or working out? Standing on the sidelines or sitting in the film room, would be about as safe as you could get, short of putting him in bubble wrap.
Every practice Theres a chance of injury
See David baktiarhi
 

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Every practice Theres a chance of injury
See David baktiarhi
Especially when so many teams now practice on artificial turf. It can grab a cleat like two pieces of super strong velcro. The most common injury is an ACL tear like OBJ suffered in the SB. The body is going forward. If the athlete tries to stop forward motion too fast, the foot locks to the turf, the knee keeps going forward and the result is an ACL tear. It can happen very quickly. Remember when Jordy tore his in a PS game a number of years ago?

Point is - it's hard for a player to anticipate and prevent such an injury, practice or not.
 

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Especially when so many teams now practice on artificial turf. It can grab a cleat like two pieces of super strong velcro. The most common injury is an ACL tear like OBJ suffered in the SB. The body is going forward. If the athlete tries to stop forward motion too fast, the foot locks to the turf, the knee keeps going forward and the result is an ACL tear. It can happen very quickly. Remember when Jordy tore his in a PS game a number of years ago?

Point is - it's hard for a player to anticipate and prevent such an injury, practice or not.
Point from me is if anyone is worried an injury from ota, thats just not logical
 
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Again, if injury is a concern, then he doesn't practice, but he should still be there. If you are that concerned about injury, she he be golfing or working out? Standing on the sidelines or sitting in the film room, would be about as safe as you could get, short of putting him in bubble wrap.
I once had a friend (he was really my brothers friend first :coffee:) that was pretty normal until he got off his meds (bi-polar)

My brother told me he drove by his house because he hadn’t heard from him in awhile. He was in the front yard with the water hose on. But he had Overalls and a Long sleeve shirt and boots in the heat of summer. My big brother asked him what the hell he was doing?!
Then he said.. lolol. (I still laugh today). He says “check out my cool suit”. And he proceeds to put the water hose down his shirt and fill up his clothes until water was pouring out the seems. TRUE STORY!! :laugh:


Maybe we could put Rodgers in a tailored “cool suit”. ?? :cry::roflmao:
 
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Point from me is if anyone is worried an injury from ota, thats just not logical
Yup. He can get hurt doing just about anything. Should any of the starters be at OTA's or drills or practices or scrimmages or preseason games or.....? I would say of all the things that the Packers go through, OTA's are on the low end of the spectrum for injuries.
 
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I’ve learned a very valuable tool in my lifetime. We speak many more “words” by 1 action than we can fit in a book.

Like the Def Leopard song: We need “Action Not Words”

You mean like winning the MVP despite not showing up for OTAs last season???

Again, if injury is a concern, then he doesn't practice, but he should still be there. If you are that concerned about injury, should he be golfing or working out? Standing on the sidelines or sitting in the film room, would be about as safe as you could get, short of putting him in bubble wrap.

I'm not that concerend about Rodgers getting injured in OTA practices but you mentioned there isn't any possible negative I can come up with outweighing the benefits of him showing up.

Well, it seems there is after all.
 

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At this point I’m content to let people live in whatever fantasy they want to have about Rodgers. He has a long history of proving commitment, intelligence, hard work, being a great teammate and person on and off the field.

Every year some look for a reason to tear those down that have built themselves up. So be it.

He’s proven time and time again he expects you to work hard do your job and be accountable. Hardly poor traits in your QB. If you drop the ball you drop the ball. If you’re the guy who’s working hard, he’s coming right back to you. if you're not working hard, he's probably avoiding you. BFD, I wish we'd drop more deadweights in this world content to do just enough to get by but expect everything.

If you're not working hard as a receiver and you're not seeing the ball you know the solution is quite simple, if you're not in the playbook, get in it. It's your job.
If you're not watching enough film, get in there and watch, it's your job. If you're not breaking your 7 yard route at 7 yards, quit breaking at at 5 or 9. If you're rounding them off, make them sharper. The solution is easy and none of it is Aaron Rodgers fault you won't do it.

Every year it's something these days. now he's not committed though just last year the 16-17-18? year vet with multiple MVP's season and Superbowl, sat in a film room and watched his mechanics and went back to work on them and won a consecutive MVP. I suppose he did all that work only to satisfy his ego according to some.

I guess you can question his method, but I can't really see a way who goes to work like he does and performs like he does and holds standards like he does can be accused of not being committed to the team or winning.
 

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You mean like winning the MVP despite not showing up for OTAs last season
Again, this isn't about Rodgers the player, we know he is one of the top QB's in the NFL. This is about Rodgers the teammate, that has a revamped WR room, with 2 of his favorite targets missing. This is about the highest paid player in the NFL that in the last year talked about retiring, forcing a trade, sitting out...not once but twice. You seem to want to gloss over all these things and only talk about Rodgers the individual and what OTA's do or don't do for him personally, not what his presence might do for his teammates and team. Which is exactly my point, he has turned himself into a one man show and put the importance of his team behind his own.
 
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I think some do their best to make it seem like he's trying to make it a one man show.
Another offseason of blabber about this and that and you know who's most likely going to be the most physically and mentally prepare man on the field practice and game time? Aaron Rodgers. But then again, in some eyes he only puts in all that work every single day physically and mentally so he can look good not win football games. I guess it's not a wonder some think Rodgers is trying to make it into a one man show when he's all they can focus on day after day.
 

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I'm not that concerend about Rodgers getting injured in OTA practices but you mentioned there isn't any possible negative I can come up with outweighing the benefits of him showing up.

Well, it seems there is after all.
By you own admission of having a lack of concern over Rodgers being injured at OTA's, you still haven't found a negative that outweighs the positive. You have only pointed out an excuse for him not being in Green Bay with his team and a not very good one at that.
 

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I think some do their best to make it seem like he's trying to make it a one man show.
Another offseason of blabber about this and that and you know who's most likely going to be the most physically and mentally prepare man on the field practice and game time? Aaron Rodgers. But then again, in some eyes he only puts in all that work every single day physically and mentally so he can look good not win football games. I guess it's not a wonder some think Rodgers is trying to make it into a one man show when he's all they can focus on day after day.
Rodgers may be a little full of himself as Favre was near the end of his career. But there's no question that on game day Rodgers is the most prepared guy on the team. And that's been true for a long while. IMO he doesn't do it to make himself look good. He does it to win games.

So personally I can put up with a lot as long as he's leading the team to a lot of wins. He's done that. Would another SB or two be nice? Hell ya but it's just not that easy. At least we have a team that stays in the SB hunt well into January. And maybe that's the last bridge Rodgers wants to cross - bringing back another Lombardi. Fine by me.
 
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You mean like winning the MVP despite not showing up for OTAs last season???
Thank You Captain I’m glad you brought that up.

Regular season MVP is like an appreciation award…,
It’s given out just before the real awards are presented
 

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Regular season MVP is like an appreciation award. It’s given out just before the real awards are presented
I think that's right. It's still an amazing accomplishment, but I like awards like the Walter Payton Man of the Year, focusing on the selfless commitments some athletes make to their communities or to a cause for the betterment of others.
 
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I think that's right. It's still an amazing accomplishment, but I like awards like the Walter Payton Man of the Year, focusing on the selfless commitments some athletes make to their communities or to a cause for the betterment of others.
I will say that a regular season MVP award displays a player has the tools it takes to be ultra successful. Although a Championship is still the ultimate goal.

I’d still trade Rodgers 4 regular season MVP’s for 1 Lombardi trophy. That Championship trophy puts things into full perspective, it’s a team that wins and a team that loses.
 

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I will say that a regular season MVP award displays a player has the tools it takes to be ultra successful. Although a Championship is still the ultimate goal.

I’d still trade Rodgers 4 regular season MVP’s for 1 Lombardi trophy. That Championship trophy puts things into full perspective, it’s a team that wins and a team that loses.
Good point. There are o GOATs in team sports. And I bet Rodgers would give up his 4 MVPs for another Lombardi trophy (or two!).
 
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Good point. There are o GOATs in team sports. And I bet Rodgers would give up his 4 MVPs for another Lombardi trophy (or two!).
I’d make that trade in a second.

Rodgers owes me $2!! I mean 2 SB’s
(It’s an old John Cusack reference)
 
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