Is Rodgers All In?

[Mondio]

I want my 2 dollars!

 

[OldSchool101]

I want my 2 dollars!

That’s the spirit Mondio !

What’s funny is that we all used to seemingly hide from the paperboy when it came time to collect.
I helped with 2 paper routes in WI as a kid (2 older brothers)

What always struck me as funny is how you would see multiple homes draw their blinds closed as we approached to collect $$!! Bastards it was my first glimpse at the real world as it is!!

 

[Mondio]

I helped an older kid in town with one too. I don't remember much about collecting money, we did, but what I most remember is stopping at the diner in the old small town hotel that my great great Grandmother and Grandfather owned long ago and ran a still in during prohibition and getting hot chocolate in the winter and stopping at "The Pig" to get a 100 Grand bar LOL. I didn't learn about the still until much later in life

 

[OldSchool101]

I helped an older kid in town with one too. I don't remember much about collecting money, we did, but what I most remember is stopping at the diner in the old small town hotel that my great great Grandmother and Grandfather owned long ago and ran a still in during prohibition and getting hot chocolate in the winter and stopping at "The Pig" to get a 100 Grand bar LOL. I didn't learn about the still until much later in life

Nice. Eww. Those were good
I remembered well because my brothers would give me the papers and send me to specific houses that had big, scary looking dogs lying in the front yard. I would then take my $ wages and buy a box of Captain Crunch!

Talk about going all in!
Rodgers has it easy I tell ya!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers may be a little full of himself as Favre was near the end of his career. But there's no question that on game day Rodgers is the most prepared guy on the team. And that's been true for a long while. IMO he doesn't do it to make himself look good. He does it to win games.

Of course Rodgers is the most prepared and ready to go. I haven't seen anyone, including myself say that the OTA's would help sharpen his own individual skill at QB, so I don't know why people keep bringing that into the conversation. This is about Rodgers acting like an individual on a T.E.A.M. It would do more for his teammates and thus his team, if he participated in team activities. If Rodgers was a punter and he and his long snapper wanted to go off and practice on their own, that probably doesn't effect the team that much. But he is the QB and team leader, being their with his new receivers has to mean something to them mentally, as well as a big help to get a jump on working with their QB on timing.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

You lot had it easy.....I used to have go to bed at 8 p.m., get up at 12.00 p.m., do an eight hour shift down local coal mine before breakfast of a cold bowl of gravel before walking 10 miles to school without any lunch,walk 10 miles back, clean the house for my mum, walk the dog, do my homework until 7 p.m., THEN clean out the fireplace for the next day, have a shower with the garden hose before bed and then do it all the same the next day......you lot had it made.

 

[lambeaulambo]

You lot had it easy.....I used to have go to bed at 8 p.m., get up at 12.00 p.m., do an eight hour shift down local coal mine before breakfast of a cold bowl of gravel before walking 10 miles to school without any lunch,walk 10 miles back, clean the house for my mum, walk the dog, do my homework until 7 p.m., THEN clean out the fireplace for the next day, have a shower with the garden hose before bed and then do it all the same the next day......you lot had it made.

yeah i froze my feet off. no wonder he is putting in asbestos - gravel tea is delightful.

 

[JPPT1974]

Well he is not getting any younger so in a way, he can skip them there. But really need everybody on board there. To work team chemistry.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Again, this isn't about Rodgers the player, we know he is one of the top QB's in the NFL. This is about Rodgers the teammate, that has a revamped WR room, with 2 of his favorite targets missing. This is about the highest paid player in the NFL that in the last year talked about retiring, forcing a trade, sitting out...not once but twice. You seem to want to gloss over all these things and only talk about Rodgers the individual and what OTA's do or don't do for him personally, not what his presence might do for his teammates and team. Which is exactly my point, he has turned himself into a one man show and put the importance of his team behind his own.

Once again, there's absolutely no point of Rodgers trying to teach the new receivers any details about the offense as long as they haven't even finished the basic installment phases of the offense.

As a side note, you might want to read some stories about what current players say about him, offering to help them in any way possible once they enter the building. Of course you won't do that as it doesn't fit your agenda.

By you own admission of having a lack of concern over Rodgers being injured at OTA's, you still haven't found a negative that outweighs the positive. You have only pointed out an excuse for him not being in Green Bay with his team and a not very good one at that.

Just because I'm not worried about injuries happening at OTAs doesn't mean they don't occur. Heck, the Niners cancelled OTA practices and mandatory minicamp after suffering several injures last season. I wonder how they were able to beat the Packers in the playoffs after not holding these oh-so important practices.

Thank You Captain I’m glad you brought that up.

Regular season MVP is like an appreciation award…,
It’s given out just before the real awards are presented

Do you honestly believe Rodgers not showing up for OTAs had anything to do with the Packers losing in the playoffs???

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As a side note, you might want to read some stories about what current players say about him, offering to help them in any way possible once they enter the building. Of course you won't do that as it doesn't fit your agenda.

I have read a lot about Rodgers over the years, but its a little hard for him to offer up help, when he isn't even in the building. We could go back and forth on this forever, the bottom line for me, he isn't in the building to offer up that help you talk about or make himself available to connect with the new receivers. For the second straight year Rodgers has decided to skip OTA's. For a guy who had been attending them every year, what changed? Only thing that I can think of is his attitude.

Niners cancelled OTA practices and mandatory minicamp after suffering several injures last season.

Speaking of reading, you might want to read more about the reasons that Shanahan changed things up. "Shanahan said all but one member of the 49ers’ roster showed up, rendering the need for additional practices moot." Also, the 49'ers conducted their normal OTA's this year, so these injuries they sustained last season don't appear to be concern enough for all the players to be skipping OTA's.

49ers cancel final 2 OTAs and mandatory minicamp

The San Francisco 49ers' offseason program is finished. Head coach Kyle Shanahan on Wednesday told reporters the team won't hold another practice prior to training camp in part because of the truncated offseason schedule, the large turnout at the voluntary workouts, and…

ninerswire.usatoday.com

Do you honestly believe Rodgers not showing up for OTAs had anything to do with the Packers losing in the playoffs???

Do you honestly believe Rodgers not showing up for OTA's had anything to do with them making the playoffs?

There are so many factors that go into a season, so either argument is silly to try and make. Tom Brady doesn't show up for OTA's, the Bucaneers win a SB.....oh we are on to something here! Wait, Tom Brady didn't attend OTA's in 2021 and the Bucaneers lose in the divisional round of the Playoffs..."damn you Tom!" Matthew Stafford attends OTA's, the Rams win the SB.

Rodgers decision to skip OTA's is just more proof that Rodgers has changed. Personally, I think he has become more selfish and less about the team. I get it, you dont' agree. We can argue all day about the merits of him being at these OTA's, but its just speculation by both of us. The Packer head coach seems to think having all the players there would be good. Teams conduct OTA's for a reason, look around the league, most players are showing up and participating. A handful don't, most due to contract issues, which seemed to be the case last season for Rodgers and somewhat expected. This season? He has a fresh new contract and commitment from the Packers, a $40,800,000 signing bonus, $150,815,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $50,271,667, yet there he is...off playing golf, while his teammates work. What has changed? So to answer the OP on the question of "Is Rodgers all in?" I would answer, "no, he no longer is."

 

[Mondio]

I think he’s old and just like CEOs, they don’t usually sit in on new Labor orientation meetings with regularity. Of course he’s changed, though I don’t think he’s any more selfish now than he was 20 years ago.

Like every year, people talk about all of this in the off-season and then the proof comes on the field. Ironically there’s been about 1 teammate in the past almost 2 decades that didn’t think Rodgers was a great teammate and I personally think he was the 2nd most me first person we’ve had here while Rodgers has been the QB.

Oddly enough 1&2 both played TE which historically is a very team first oriented position. Funny how the world works.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Of course Rodgers is the most prepared and ready to go. I haven't seen anyone, including myself say that the OTA's would help sharpen his own individual skill at QB, so I don't know why people keep bringing that into the conversation. This is about Rodgers acting like an individual on a T.E.A.M. It would do more for his teammates and thus his team, if he participated in team activities. If Rodgers was a punter and he and his long snapper wanted to go off and practice on their own, that probably doesn't effect the team that much. But he is the QB and team leader, being their with his new receivers has to mean something to them mentally, as well as a big help to get a jump on working with their QB on timing.

I don't disagree with you Poker. They pay the guy more than anyone else in the league (for now). So how hard is it for him to spend some time in GB and, as you said, get acquainted with the new guys, especially the receivers?

And he made a big stink about not being involved in decisions. I'm sure MLF is reworking the game plan given the departure of Adams. Wouldn't Rodgers want to be involved in that? Or does he just want to be involved when it's most convenient for him?

I wouldn't care about his absence if it didn't make a difference. But he's the leader of that team. It wouldn't kill him to fly in for even a few days to meet people, get the mojo started with the new people. I don't expect him to be throwing the ball. The rookies are probably up late every night just learning the playbook. But I do see intangible value in having him there.

 

[OldSchool101]

Do you honestly believe Rodgers not showing up for OTAs had anything to do with the Packers losing in the playoffs???

I 100% know this much. Whatever we did last year didn’t work and Aaron Rodgers was partly to blame.


Now if you want another regular season MVP accolade and nothing more? Keep doing what you are doing.

This might sound harsh or possibly even an egregious level of cruelty to you. It’s probably going to knock you off your rocker.

I expect more from Aaron Rodgers

 

[Mondio]

You know what, after all the claims of selfishness, he's there anyway. But it's probably just because he wanted to look good and show everyone how good he is or something...

 

[OldSchool101]

You know what, after all the claims of selfishness, he's there anyway. But it's probably just because he wanted to look good and show everyone how good he is or something...

It’s mandatory (I realize you said that tongue n cheek)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I expect more from Aaron Rodgers

With what he is paid....everybody should. Obviously, it doesn't matter what you and I expect, but I would love to know what his teammates expect. I can see some justified resentment on their part.

 

[OldSchool101]

With what he is paid....everybody should. Obviously, it doesn't matter what you and I expect, but I would love to know what his teammates expect. I can see some justified resentment on their part.

I just want my 2 Dollars !!
It’s time to collect and their ain’t no hiding!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just want my 2 Dollars !!
It’s time to collect and their ain’t no hiding!

Swing by Green Bay. Rodgers is there Tues-Thurs due to it being mandatory, but do it quick, next week is voluntary, doubt he sticks around.

 

[OldSchool101]

Swing by Green Bay. Rodgers is there Tues-Thurs due to it being mandatory, but do it quick, next week is voluntary, doubt he sticks around.

Naw. I’ll send KGB to collect.
He lives right up the road and been looking for mercenary work.

 

[longtimefan]

I have read a lot about Rodgers over the years, but its a little hard for him to offer up help, when he isn't even in the building. We could go back and forth on this forever, the bottom line for me, he isn't in the building to offer up that help you talk about or make himself available to connect with the new receivers. For the second straight year Rodgers has decided to skip OTA's. For a guy who had been attending them every year, what changed? Only thing that I can think of is his attitude.


Speaking of reading, you might want to read more about the reasons that Shanahan changed things up. "Shanahan said all but one member of the 49ers’ roster showed up, rendering the need for additional practices moot." Also, the 49'ers conducted their normal OTA's this year, so these injuries they sustained last season don't appear to be concern enough for all the players to be skipping OTA's.

49ers cancel final 2 OTAs and mandatory minicamp

The San Francisco 49ers' offseason program is finished. Head coach Kyle Shanahan on Wednesday told reporters the team won't hold another practice prior to training camp in part because of the truncated offseason schedule, the large turnout at the voluntary workouts, and…

ninerswire.usatoday.com

Do you honestly believe Rodgers not showing up for OTA's had anything to do with them making the playoffs?

There are so many factors that go into a season, so either argument is silly to try and make. Tom Brady doesn't show up for OTA's, the Bucaneers win a SB.....oh we are on to something here! Wait, Tom Brady didn't attend OTA's in 2021 and the Bucaneers lose in the divisional round of the Playoffs..."damn you Tom!" Matthew Stafford attends OTA's, the Rams win the SB.

Rodgers decision to skip OTA's is just more proof that Rodgers has changed. Personally, I think he has become more selfish and less about the team. I get it, you dont' agree. We can argue all day about the merits of him being at these OTA's, but its just speculation by both of us. The Packer head coach seems to think having all the players there would be good. Teams conduct OTA's for a reason, look around the league, most players are showing up and participating. A handful don't, most due to contract issues, which seemed to be the case last season for Rodgers and somewhat expected. This season? He has a fresh new contract and commitment from the Packers, a $40,800,000 signing bonus, $150,815,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $50,271,667, yet there he is...off playing golf, while his teammates work. What has changed? So to answer the OP on the question of "Is Rodgers all in?" I would answer, "no, he no longer is."

Wellllll said

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have read a lot about Rodgers over the years, but its a little hard for him to offer up help, when he isn't even in the building. We could go back and forth on this forever, the bottom line for me, he isn't in the building to offer up that help you talk about or make himself available to connect with the new receivers.

For the umpteenth time, those new receivers still have to learn the basic concepts of the Packers offense in OTAs and minicamp. There's no need for Rodgers to explain them the fine nuances of it as they wouldn't understand anyway.

For the second straight year Rodgers has decided to skip OTA's. For a guy who had been attending them every year, what changed? Only thing that I can think of is his attitude.

It was pretty obvious why Rodgers missed OTAs last season. I don't know about the reasons behind him not being there this year and honestly I don't care.

Speaking of reading, you might want to read more about the reasons that Shanahan changed things up. "Shanahan said all but one member of the 49ers’ roster showed up, rendering the need for additional practices moot." Also, the 49'ers conducted their normal OTA's this year, so these injuries they sustained last season don't appear to be concern enough for all the players to be skipping OTA's.

49ers cancel final 2 OTAs and mandatory minicamp

The San Francisco 49ers' offseason program is finished. Head coach Kyle Shanahan on Wednesday told reporters the team won't hold another practice prior to training camp in part because of the truncated offseason schedule, the large turnout at the voluntary workouts, and…

ninerswire.usatoday.com

It doesn't matter why the Niners skipped OTA practices last season. They didn't think it was important enough and still were able to beat the Packers in the playoffs. That should work as evidence that you put way too much stock into the importance of them.

Do you honestly believe Rodgers not showing up for OTA's had anything to do with them making the playoffs?

What???

There are so many factors that go into a season, so either argument is silly to try and make. Tom Brady doesn't show up for OTA's, the Bucaneers win a SB.....oh we are on to something here! Wait, Tom Brady didn't attend OTA's in 2021 and the Bucaneers lose in the divisional round of the Playoffs..."damn you Tom!" Matthew Stafford attends OTA's, the Rams win the SB.

My point is, that aside of major injuries, OTAs have close to no effect on a team's success.

A handful don't, most due to contract issues, which seemed to be the case last season for Rodgers and somewhat expected. This season? He has a fresh new contract and commitment from the Packers, a $40,800,000 signing bonus, $150,815,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $50,271,667, yet there he is...off playing golf, while his teammates work. What has changed? So to answer the OP on the question of "Is Rodgers all in?" I would answer, "no, he no longer is."

If the Packers desperately wanted Rodgers to show up for OTAs they should have included a huge workout bonus in his contract.

And he made a big stink about not being involved in decisions. I'm sure MLF is reworking the game plan given the departure of Adams. Wouldn't Rodgers want to be involved in that? Or does he just want to be involved when it's most convenient for him?

I'm absolutely convinced MLF and Rodgers have had discussions about the playbook, even with him not showing up for OTAs.

I 100% know this much. Whatever we did last year didn’t work and Aaron Rodgers was partly to blame.

Rodgers showed up for every single OTA practice from 2011 until '20. Yet the Packers didn't win the Super Bowl during any of these seasons either.

This might sound harsh or possibly even an egregious level of cruelty to you. It’s probably going to knock you off your rocker.

I expect more from Aaron Rodgers

I expect Rodgers to play better than he did vs. the Niners in the playoffs as well. It's bogus to believe he struggled because he didn't show up for OTAs though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

My point is, that aside of major injuries, OTAs have close to no effect on a team's success.

Right. Why have them at all then? Why are vets showing up for them? Why did Rodgers show up for them every year prior to 2021? I trust a process that has been in place for a long time over a fans speculation that OTA's have close to no effect on a teams success. Why offer money to these guys to attend, GM's should be fired for mishandling of funds!

If the Packers desperately wanted Rodgers to show up for OTAs they should have included a huge workout bonus in his contract.

Who said they were desperate?

Do you know if they tried to add a big workout bonus to his contract? Maybe Rodgers knew that he was done with OTA's and only would agree to shove $50K (.1% of his salary) in as a penalty for not attending. I don't think it was just happen stance that it was peanuts, when in past seasons it was a large amount at stake ($500K). Why did they have that large amount in previous years if they could care less if he showed up or not? Hell, by your comments, why pay guys to come to OTA's if they don't do much for the success of the team? Sounds like a big waste of money, yet the Packers led the league in how much they paid out in OTA money last season ($5,065,000 to 19 players in 2021). BTW, this isn't paid out to rookies and youngsters to "learn their routes", this is money paid to vets to show up. Guys like Za’darius Smith were desired to attend OTA's, his bonus was $750K last season. Packers are throwing Jaire $700K next season to attend OTA's....what a waste huh?

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Again, this isn't about Rodgers the player, we know he is one of the top QB's in the NFL. This is about Rodgers the teammate, that has a revamped WR room, with 2 of his favorite targets missing. This is about the highest paid player in the NFL that in the last year talked about retiring, forcing a trade, sitting out...not once but twice. You seem to want to gloss over all these things and only talk about Rodgers the individual and what OTA's do or don't do for him personally, not what his presence might do for his teammates and team. Which is exactly my point, he has turned himself into a one man show and put the importance of his team behind his own.

If the question is, Is Rodgers all in?. Then the answer is yes. Identified by what Mondio just said. HE is all in by preparing himself for the season. Now if the question is whether he is a good teamate, only his teammates can answer that question.

 

[Heyjoe4]

For the umpteenth time, those new receivers still have to learn the basic concepts of the Packers offense in OTAs and minicamp. There's no need for Rodgers to explain them the fine nuances of it as they wouldn't understand anyway.



It was pretty obvious why Rodgers missed OTAs last season. I don't know about the reasons behind him not being there this year and honestly I don't care.



It doesn't matter why the Niners skipped OTA practices last season. They didn't think it was important enough and still were able to beat the Packers in the playoffs. That should work as evidence that you put way too much stock into the importance of them.



What???



My point is, that aside of major injuries, OTAs have close to no effect on a team's success.



If the Packers desperately wanted Rodgers to show up for OTAs they should have included a huge workout bonus in his contract.



I'm absolutely convinced MLF and Rodgers have had discussions about the playbook, even with him not showing up for OTAs.



Rodgers showed up for every single OTA practice from 2011 until '20. Yet the Packers didn't win the Super Bowl during any of these seasons either.



I expect Rodgers to play better than he did vs. the Niners in the playoffs as well. It's bogus to believe he struggled because he didn't show up for OTAs though.

Good point about MLF and Rodgers collaborating on the playbook, or at least parts of it. The pandemic proved we are plenty capable of working together remotely.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Right. Why have them at all then? Why are vets showing up for them? Why did Rodgers show up for them every year prior to 2021? I trust a process that has been in place for a long time over a fans speculation that OTA's have close to no effect on a teams success. Why offer money to these guys to attend, GM's should be fired for mishandling of funds!


Who said they were desperate?

Do you know if they tried to add a big workout bonus to his contract? Maybe Rodgers knew that he was done with OTA's and only would agree to shove $50K (.1% of his salary) in as a penalty for not attending. I don't think it was just happen stance that it was peanuts, when in past seasons it was a large amount at stake ($500K). Why did they have that large amount in previous years if they could care less if he showed up or not? Hell, by your comments, why pay guys to come to OTA's if they don't do much for the success of the team? Sounds like a big waste of money, yet the Packers led the league in how much they paid out in OTA money last season ($5,065,000 to 19 players in 2021). BTW, this isn't paid out to rookies and youngsters to "learn their routes", this is money paid to vets to show up. Guys like Za’darius Smith were desired to attend OTA's, his bonus was $750K last season. Packers are throwing Jaire $700K next season to attend OTA's....what a waste huh?

FWIW Poker, I think all players should be at all team activities, voluntary or not. The OTAs especially - even if it's just to meet and have dinner with the rookies, is important. These guys make enough money that a few weeks in May/June isn't going to kill their lifestyles. I don't get why everyone is not there. Management must be ok with it because some activities are voluntary. That's their call.

Does it matter in winning a SB? Of course not. To me, it's just common sense, and shows commitment from everyone to the TEAM.