How about that? Coach fired.

[Voyageur]

Everyone thinks Giannis still gets traded?

Yup!

 

[Heyjoe4]

With Rivers being... uh... resigned ... I went back on this thread ... Voyager called it from the git-go. Griffin didn't like defense and Doc just disassembled everything.

Doc, bless his heart, just doesn't have whatever it takes to be a good HC. his best bet is to go back to the broadcastd booth.

No Jae Morant for them with this move. No improvement with Horst still onboard. I'm not convinced Jenkins is the right guy either. But I'll give him a chance to show what he has.

Jenkins seems to be the best HC candidate available. I'm ok with it.

To a point you made - the HC is responsible for creating a team that communicates, a team with well-defined roles that can be exploited with excellent teamwork. Looking forward to the outcome of the all-but-certain Giannis trade, and a new rebuilding phase for the Bucks. And it's safe to say we are all gonna miss Giannis a lot. I hope he can win at least one more ring. He deserves it.

Expectation for the Bucks should be tempered - hell we don't know what this team will look like in October. What I do expect is entertaining and competitive basketball. Haven't had that dating back to the championship.

I don't have any faith in Horst, and I hope to be proven wrong on this.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Everyone thinks Giannis still gets traded?

I don't see any way they keep Giannis and expect to get any better. Giannis needs to play with a guy like Holiday who can compliment with game management and defense. The Lillard trade sounded good until we all realized there is only one ball.

A haul of draft picks and a player or two will help, but this team will be rebuilding for all of next season. At least there will be some clarity on direction.

 

[Heyjoe4]

In random order, but here are some of the really bad things that Horst has done as GM. I had to piece this together from a bunch of sites, so really can't name one source.

• Jae Crowder Trade (2023): Giving up five second-round picks and three players for a player who quickly fell out of the rotation.
• The Damian Lillard Roster Shift (2025/2026): According to a 2025 report, stretching and waiving Damian Lillard shortly after his arrival to sign Myles Turner was viewed as a major, chaotic mismanagement of assets.
• Coaching Carousel (2023-2024): Firing Mike Budenholzer, then firing his replacement Adrian Griffin after only 43 games (despite a 30-13 record) and hiring Doc Rivers, was seen as a chaotic, reactive decision.
• Loss of Malcolm Brogdon (2019): Trading a key player to the Pacers for draft picks, which resulted in losing a high-level starter to avoid luxury tax, is often cited as a failure in keeping championship-caliber depth.
• Draft Failures/Asset Depletion: Critics argue that aside from finding Donte DiVincenzo, Horst's inability to draft quality young players in the first round and trading away future picks has left the roster old and thin.
• Tony Snell Extension (2017): A 4-year, $46 million deal that created unnecessary, long-term cap pressure.
• Drue Holiday Trade (2023): Yup, they got Dame in the deal, but he didn't work out and Drue ended up going to the Celtics, where he won a Championship.

#1 in my book......basically wasting the talent and career of one of the greatest players to play the game....Giannis.

I agreee with all. but didn't the Brogdon trade make the Holiday acquisition possible?

But 5 second round picks for Crowder? That one really, really hurt.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agreee with all. but didn't the Brogdon trade make the Holisay acquisition possible?

I think that you are thinking of Eric Bledsoe. The Bucks traded him away in the Holiday trade. While they also trade 3 future 1st round picks with Bledsoe to aquire Jrue, I think that was actually an excellent trade.

Brogdon wasn't really traded either, the Bucks tried to keep him with qualifying offer in order to make him a restricted free agent. However, he ended up signing with Indiana on a "sign-and-trade" type of deal.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Doc, bless his heart, just doesn't have whatever it takes to be a good HC. his best bet is to go back to the broadcastd booth.

Let's hope he replaces Doris Burke. I have a hard time watching games when she is in the booth. She is so monotone, overly biased, and offers up way too much repetitive gibberish.

 

[weeds]

I'd like to toss a couple of names out there relative to Horst's extension - just to gauge reaction because you guys follow it a lot closer than I.

Jimmy and Dee Haslam. I've read that Edens is slowly loosening his own reins on the Ownership group. Something about him being "The Governor" of the ownership group and that the Milwaukee Bucks are slowly (or rapidly, depending on your POV) becoming the NBA's Cleveland Browns.

 

[Voyageur]

I'd like to toss a couple of names out there relative to Horst's extension - just to gauge reaction because you guys follow it a lot closer than I.

Jimmy and Dee Haslam. I've read that Edens is slowly loosening his own reins on the Ownership group. Something about him being "The Governor" of the ownership group and that the Milwaukee Bucks are slowly (or rapidly, depending on your POV) becoming the NBA's Cleveland Browns.

And there you have it. The Haslam effect and it's real. Doesn't know who the right people are to do the jobs, so he turns the reins over to people who are incapable.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'd like to toss a couple of names out there relative to Horst's extension - just to gauge reaction because you guys follow it a lot closer than I.

Jimmy and Dee Haslam. I've read that Edens is slowly loosening his own reins on the Ownership group. Something about him being "The Governor" of the ownership group and that the Milwaukee Bucks are slowly (or rapidly, depending on your POV) becoming the NBA's Cleveland Browns.

That's a sad prognosis - and hard to argue with......

 

[Voyageur]

As I watch the Giannis fiasco unfolding, and the Bucks throwing out ultimatums to him as if they had a leg to stand on, I wonder what comes next since the Bucks are saying that there needs to be a resolve within the next 10 days, or he's going to be traded. Giannis seems to be making it clear that he'll only accept a trade if it's to a team he wants to play for, thereby putting the Bucks in a bad position because he doesn't seem to be inclined to sign the super-max contract and will play out next season and leave the Bucks as a free agent after the season is over.

In other words, his value keeps going down every day that passes, and the teams he wants to go to seems to be those who would end up giving the Bucks nothing but a couple of first round picks that would be from about #25 or so on down. Not exactly franchise player picks in any draft. In today's game, having two picks in the 25-30 range won't get you a trade into the top 10 because the talent level drops off very quickly as you move down the list. Of course, I realize there are some exceptions where players do end up being a star at that level in the draft.

I have a hunch the Bucks are going to end up taking 2 or 3 mid-range players and a pair of 1st round picks which won't make up for anything we lose in Giannis, and the wasted trades in the past. It's going to make the Bucks a lower 1/3 team for several years.

The Spurs used picks like Devon Vassel as the 11th pick, Stephon Castle a 4th pick, and of course Wemby as a #1. That's a team that knows how to rebuild through the draft, not throw in the towel and sit at the bottom. They traded away Murray & White to gain that draft capital which was wise. The Bucks have failed to put themselves in that position and it's going to cost them dearly. There will be a lot of new faces this year and a team that is going to struggle because it's not going to have the horsepower to compete with the big guys.

It's back to bottom feeder basketball for the Bucks. It's not going to be pretty.

 

[weeds]

As I watch the Giannis fiasco unfolding, and the Bucks throwing out ultimatums to him as if they had a leg to stand on, I wonder what comes next since the Bucks are saying that there needs to be a resolve within the next 10 days, or he's going to be traded. Giannis seems to be making it clear that he'll only accept a trade if it's to a team he wants to play for, thereby putting the Bucks in a bad position because he doesn't seem to be inclined to sign the super-max contract and will play out next season and leave the Bucks as a free agent after the season is over.

In other words, his value keeps going down every day that passes, and the teams he wants to go to seems to be those who would end up giving the Bucks nothing but a couple of first round picks that would be from about #25 or so on down. Not exactly franchise player picks in any draft. In today's game, having two picks in the 25-30 range won't get you a trade into the top 10 because the talent level drops off very quickly as you move down the list. Of course, I realize there are some exceptions where players do end up being a star at that level in the draft.

I have a hunch the Bucks are going to end up taking 2 or 3 mid-range players and a pair of 1st round picks which won't make up for anything we lose in Giannis, and the wasted trades in the past. It's going to make the Bucks a lower 1/3 team for several years.

The Spurs used picks like Devon Vassel as the 11th pick, Stephon Castle a 4th pick, and of course Wemby as a #1. That's a team that knows how to rebuild through the draft, not throw in the towel and sit at the bottom. They traded away Murray & White to gain that draft capital which was wise. The Bucks have failed to put themselves in that position and it's going to cost them dearly. There will be a lot of new faces this year and a team that is going to struggle because it's not going to have the horsepower to compete with the big guys.

It's back to bottom feeder basketball for the Bucks. It's not going to be pretty.

The Haslam's supposed slow takeover has become a lot more in focus over the last couple of days. Seems Mr. Edens has other legal issues commanding his attention: https://www.eonline.com/news/143190...ens-allegedly-faced-s1-billion-blackmail-plot