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While it's easyto look at this situation with green-tinted glasses , it behooves us to remember just how devastating the loss of a starting QB can be. While it's not something that's affected the pack for a over a decade now--the NFL still has a vested interest in keeping those guys on the field. So although that was a VERY unpopular call, it wasn't a bad call.

Under the rule book, the referee made the right decision.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 sets forth the provisions that apply to roughing the passer. The book plainly states that "special rules apply" in this situation, because the passer "is particularly vulnerable to injury."

Subsection (3) of Article 12 emphasizes the importance of protecting the quarterback's head. "Referees," the rule states, "will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use . . . hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."

And here's the key. Note 1 to Article 12. "If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer."

So while it might not have been obvious whether Jenkins' arm was striking Hasselbeck's helmet, or whether Hasselbeck dipped his head into the contact, any doubt is resolved in favor of throwing the flag. By rule.

(thanks to profootballtalk.com for the listing of the rule)
 

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The way theyre going, they might as well put the qbs in skirts and not allow anyone to touch them at all. Its getting ridiculous.
 
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While it's easyto look at this situation with green-tinted glasses , it behooves us to remember just how devastating the loss of a starting QB can be. While it's not something that's affected the pack for a over a decade now--the NFL still has a vested interest in keeping those guys on the field. So although that was a VERY unpopular call, it wasn't a bad call.

Under the rule book, the referee made the right decision.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 sets forth the provisions that apply to roughing the passer. The book plainly states that "special rules apply" in this situation, because the passer "is particularly vulnerable to injury."

Subsection (3) of Article 12 emphasizes the importance of protecting the quarterback's head. "Referees," the rule states, "will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use . . . hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."

And here's the key. Note 1 to Article 12. "If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer."

So while it might not have been obvious whether Jenkins' arm was striking Hasselbeck's helmet, or whether Hasselbeck dipped his head into the contact, any doubt is resolved in favor of throwing the flag. By rule.

(thanks to profootballtalk.com for the listing of the rule)

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While it's easyto look at this situation with green-tinted glasses , it behooves us to remember just how devastating the loss of a starting QB can be. While it's not something that's affected the pack for a over a decade now--the NFL still has a vested interest in keeping those guys on the field. So although that was a VERY unpopular call, it wasn't a bad call.

Under the rule book, the referee made the right decision.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 sets forth the provisions that apply to roughing the passer. The book plainly states that "special rules apply" in this situation, because the passer "is particularly vulnerable to injury."

Subsection (3) of Article 12 emphasizes the importance of protecting the quarterback's head. "Referees," the rule states, "will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use . . . hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."

And here's the key. Note 1 to Article 12. "If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer."

So while it might not have been obvious whether Jenkins' arm was striking Hasselbeck's helmet, or whether Hasselbeck dipped his head into the contact, any doubt is resolved in favor of throwing the flag. By rule.

(thanks to profootballtalk.com for the listing of the rule)

Actually even the President of the NFL's Refrees said on NFL Total Access that it was a poor call and the ref probably overreacted. He admitted that the refs need to not overreact as much but still protect the Quarterbacks at the same time.
 

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gator said:
While it's easyto look at this situation with green-tinted glasses , it behooves us to remember just how devastating the loss of a starting QB can be. While it's not something that's affected the pack for a over a decade now--the NFL still has a vested interest in keeping those guys on the field. So although that was a VERY unpopular call, it wasn't a bad call.

Under the rule book, the referee made the right decision.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 sets forth the provisions that apply to roughing the passer. The book plainly states that "special rules apply" in this situation, because the passer "is particularly vulnerable to injury."

Subsection (3) of Article 12 emphasizes the importance of protecting the quarterback's head. "Referees," the rule states, "will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use . . . hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."

And here's the key. Note 1 to Article 12. "If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer."

So while it might not have been obvious whether Jenkins' arm was striking Hasselbeck's helmet, or whether Hasselbeck dipped his head into the contact, any doubt is resolved in favor of throwing the flag. By rule.

(thanks to profootballtalk.com for the listing of the rule)

Actually even the President of the NFL's Refrees said on NFL Total Access that it was a poor call and the ref probably overreacted. He admitted that the refs need to not overreact as much but still protect the Quarterbacks at the same time.

You mean the "Official review" with Mike Pereira? Did Rich happen to ask him about the delay of game penalty called?
 

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:twocents: Rule book-schmool book. Go back to the original rule of football; no one is exempt from getting hit! Between the owners and the league they are rapidly turning what was once a contact sport into a waltz. Give me the old rock & sock 'em style any day and you can watch the bloodless sport from your easy chairs and have no fear anyone will really smack anyone else. Or just maybe there could be an old timers league where real football can be played. Yep! I'd even buy a ticket to those games.
 

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Gator,
It was a bad call by anyones perception except maybe yours.
Not only was it a bad call, it was a potentially game changing call which makes it even worse.
Let the players play and let the game remain in their hands.
The officials should not be the determining factor in the outcome of a game.
Sadly, in this day and age the officials have taken over the game.
 

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porky88 said:
gator said:
While it's easyto look at this situation with green-tinted glasses , it behooves us to remember just how devastating the loss of a starting QB can be. While it's not something that's affected the pack for a over a decade now--the NFL still has a vested interest in keeping those guys on the field. So although that was a VERY unpopular call, it wasn't a bad call.

Under the rule book, the referee made the right decision.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 sets forth the provisions that apply to roughing the passer. The book plainly states that "special rules apply" in this situation, because the passer "is particularly vulnerable to injury."

Subsection (3) of Article 12 emphasizes the importance of protecting the quarterback's head. "Referees," the rule states, "will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use . . . hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."

And here's the key. Note 1 to Article 12. "If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer."

So while it might not have been obvious whether Jenkins' arm was striking Hasselbeck's helmet, or whether Hasselbeck dipped his head into the contact, any doubt is resolved in favor of throwing the flag. By rule.

(thanks to profootballtalk.com for the listing of the rule)

Actually even the President of the NFL's Refrees said on NFL Total Access that it was a poor call and the ref probably overreacted. He admitted that the refs need to not overreact as much but still protect the Quarterbacks at the same time.

You mean the "Official review" with Mike Pereira? Did Rich happen to ask him about the delay of game penalty called?

Yep Offical Review is the one. I left the room after they got done talking about the late hit. I actually think that was the only topic. They were talking a lot about it on the show. Pereira just said the refs can't overreact like they have been doing but was fast to point out this year is actually on pace to be one of the better years in terms of how many "late hits" are actually called.
 

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MidwestFavreFan said:
porky88 said:
gator said:
While it's easyto look at this situation with green-tinted glasses , it behooves us to remember just how devastating the loss of a starting QB can be. While it's not something that's affected the pack for a over a decade now--the NFL still has a vested interest in keeping those guys on the field. So although that was a VERY unpopular call, it wasn't a bad call.

Under the rule book, the referee made the right decision.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 sets forth the provisions that apply to roughing the passer. The book plainly states that "special rules apply" in this situation, because the passer "is particularly vulnerable to injury."

Subsection (3) of Article 12 emphasizes the importance of protecting the quarterback's head. "Referees," the rule states, "will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use . . . hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."

And here's the key. Note 1 to Article 12. "If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer."

So while it might not have been obvious whether Jenkins' arm was striking Hasselbeck's helmet, or whether Hasselbeck dipped his head into the contact, any doubt is resolved in favor of throwing the flag. By rule.

(thanks to profootballtalk.com for the listing of the rule)

Actually even the President of the NFL's Refrees said on NFL Total Access that it was a poor call and the ref probably overreacted. He admitted that the refs need to not overreact as much but still protect the Quarterbacks at the same time.

You mean the "Official review" with Mike Pereira? Did Rich happen to ask him about the delay of game penalty called?

Yep Offical Review is the one. I left the room after they got done talking about the late hit. I actually think that was the only topic. They were talking a lot about it on the show. Pereira just said the refs can't overreact like they have been doing but was fast to point out this year is actually on pace to be one of the better years in terms of how many "late hits" are actually called.

I wonder why this one cant be seen on nfl.com/video? Maybe they just forgot to put it on there.
 

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