Cam Achord new ST coach - Fire him

[Heyjoe4]

It's not really about Love particularly, I think he's good enough he could win a Super Bowl, in the right situation. In the past, I've felt like the team was on the right track to win a Super Bowl. For whatever reason, I'm just not feeling that with the current team.

MLF I do have definite reservations about.

I don't see Love on a path to the HOF, at least not at his current level of play. Even so, he is talented and capable of winning a SB. He'll need a very talented team around him, and Gluten is, IMO, doing a god job with that. Gaps still remain, and I don't think a SB is in the cards until after this season. Hope I'm wrong about that.

 

[rmontro]

Yep, there were a number of these stomach-churning statements. The Pack Will Go Far with Starr! (OK I just made that up.)

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[OldSchool101]

It's not really about Love particularly, I think he's good enough he could win a Super Bowl, in the right situation. In the past, I've felt like the team was on the right track to win a Super Bowl. For whatever reason, I'm just not feeling that with the current team.

MLF I do have definite reservations about.

I can see that. I guess my hope is that he learns from the past. I don't see any major gaffs in the playoffs that prohibited us from advancing. EXCEPT allowing Teams to persist in faltering.
I understand severing relationships is hard, but the mere fact that Bissachia had to step away on his own terms concerns me. He’s a great guy, but this isn’t about personality contests. It’s about putting the Team in a position to HELP their outcome. Rich did not do that, period. As a HC I’d give you 2-3 seasons to improve and that’s being generous. That expectation would’ve been discussed upfront and very candidly so nobody is dancing around our expectations when we finish #23 or #26 or #32. Now a top 15 Teams unit might buy a year.

 

[milani]

The bumper stickers were real. It was Freddie and the Dreamers that were made up.

Freddie was funny.

 

[OldSchool101]

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George might be just the guy who surprised and finishes the exact opposite of where’s he’s supposed to be. Last Place!
His loyalty is to NY that worries me

 

[milani]

George might be just the guy who surprised and finishes the exact opposite of where’s he’s supposed to be. Last Place!
His loyalty is to NY that worries me

Didn't Steinbrenner trade him?

 

[rmontro]

Freddie was funny.

The bit where he tries to shave with the microphone was kind of funny.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I can see that. I guess my hope is that he learns from the past. I don't see any major gaffs in the playoffs that prohibited us from advancing. EXCEPT allowing Teams to persist in faltering.
I understand severing relationships is hard, but the mere fact that Bissachia had to step away on his own terms concerns me. He’s a great guy, but this isn’t about personality contests. It’s about putting the Team in a position to HELP their outcome. Rich did not do that, period. As a HC I’d give you 2-3 seasons to improve and that’s being generous. That expectation would’ve been discussed upfront and very candidly so nobody is dancing around our expectations when we finish #23 or #26 or #32. Now a top 15 Teams unit might buy a year.

Good description of job protection, such as it is, in the NFL - and really, in all industries.

I spent most of my career in commission sales (Managment Consulting, Executive Staffing) and always worked on commission. No salary, but alco no cap on my earnings. I mostly had good years, but the bad ones were there too. I just got used to living not day to day, but certainly quarter to quarter.

But I was always motivated by the same thing that motivated my different employers - making money.

You're right - Bisaccia should have been given two or three areas for measurable improvement, and maybe he was. But his STs weren't ever special, and he should have been whacked last year, at the earliest. In the end he left on his terms. MLF just doesn't like to fire people, and that's a big liability. Why OC paper tiger Stenavich (sp?) is still on the team in any capacity is beyond me.

 

[rmontro]

You're right - Bisaccia should have been given two or three areas for measurable improvement, and maybe he was. But his STs weren't ever special, and he should have been whacked last year, at the earliest. In the end he left on his terms. MLF just doesn't like to fire people, and that's a big liability. Why OC paper tiger Stenavich (sp?) is still on the team in any capacity is beyond me.

I get the increasing impression that the front office and people in the business have a very different attitude about hirings and firings than the fans do. That's both good and bad, I suppose.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I get the increasing impression that the front office and people in the business have a very different attitude about hirings and firings than the fans do. That's both good and bad, I suppose.

Yeah I certainly wouldn't want fans involved in hiring and firing decisions, even though we all have opinions on it.

In general, patience is best when making personnel decisions as important as hiring and firing. That said, MLF has shown a tendency to keep coaches past their "sell by" date. He has also been a very successful HC - going through a changing of the guard at QB, something he handled very well.

So it's not good to throw the baby out with the bath water. I saw no reason to keep Bisaccia but he left on his terms, or maybe it was mutually agreed once he had another gig lined up.

As for Stenavich - I have no clue what he does as the OC in GB. With MLF calling all the plays on offense, what is Stenavich's role, especially on game day? It's not like MLF can consult with him between plays about what play to call. There isn't time, and MLF has enough trouble with clock management as is.

 

[OldSchool101]

Good description of job protection, such as it is, in the NFL - and really, in all industries.

I spent most of my career in commission sales (Managment Consulting, Executive Staffing) and always worked on commission. No salary, but alco no cap on my earnings. I mostly had good years, but the bad ones were there too. I just got used to living not day to day, but certainly quarter to quarter.

But I was always motivated by the same thing that motivated my different employers - making money.

You're right - Bisaccia should have been given two or three areas for measurable improvement, and maybe he was. But his STs weren't ever special, and he should have been whacked last year, at the earliest. In the end he left on his terms. MLF just doesn't like to fire people, and that's a big liability. Why OC paper tiger Stenavich (sp?) is still on the team in any capacity is beyond me.

Well imo there’s a difference with Sten. He took over for a 10th ranked scoring Offense Hackett. He started at #14 scoring then #12 scoring then #8 scoring. So that trend is exactly what you’d prefer going into 2025. So were there clear cut circumstances that caused regression (missing QB or weapons etc?) YES
We lost our starting Center and we now are aware that Tom and Banks dealt with injuries throughout the season that negatively affected play.
Then we did lose Reed (#1 weapon in 2023,2024) and Watson missed 1/2 season. Together they missed 18 games and didn’t finish 19 games cumulatively, which is substantial imo.

Then we lost Kraft, who’s a clear top weapon in Green Bay. 3 of our 5 best Offensive weapons didn’t finish 24 cumulative games in 2025. That’s a ton of missing time. Yet Sten n Co finished at #16 in scoring, which is respectable. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume had we finished 12 of those 24 lost games with weapons? We’d be ranked Top #10 area or thereabouts.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well imo there’s a difference with Sten. He took over for a 10th ranked scoring Offense Hackett. He started at #14 scoring then #12 scoring then #8 scoring. So that trend is exactly what you’d prefer going into 2025. So were there clear cut circumstances that caused regression (missing QB or weapons etc?) YES
We lost our starting Center and we now are aware that Tom and Banks dealt with injuries throughout the season that negatively affected play.
Then we did lose Reed (#1 weapon in 2023,2024) and Watson missed 1/2 season. Together they missed 18 games and didn’t finish 19 games cumulatively, which is substantial imo.

Then we lost Kraft, who’s a clear top weapon in Green Bay. 3 of our 5 best Offensive weapons didn’t finish 24 cumulative games in 2025. That’s a ton of missing time. Yet Sten n Co finished at #16 in scoring, which is respectable. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume had we finished 12 of those 24 lost games with weapons? We’d be ranked Top #10 area or thereabouts.

That's a summary of last year but what is your point OS?

What does Stenavich actually fdo? He's an OC who doesn't call plays during a game. Huh?

He looks like a placeholder to fill a position on an org chart, nothing more. And if he was that good, and given the solid production of the offense for a number of years, why is he not being swamped with HC interview requests?

Hackett, another non-OC OC, was hired as HC in Denver. He didn't last the season.

This is just the ways things are in GB. MLF is the HC AND the OC. GB doesn't need Stenavich - well, at least for no good reason I can see. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an OC in GB (other than the HC). That's a separate discussion.

 

[OldSchool101]

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That's a summary of last year but what is your point OS?

What does Stenavich actually fdo? He's an OC who doesn't call plays during a game. Huh?

He looks like a placeholder to fill a position on an org chart, nothing more. And if he was that good, and given the solid production of the offense for a number of years, why is he not being swamped with HC interview requests?

Hackett, another non-OC OC, was hired as HC in Denver. He didn't last the season.

This is just the ways things are in GB. MLF is the HC AND the OC. GB doesn't need Stenavich - well, at least for no good reason I can see. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an OC in GB (other than the HC). That's a separate discussion.

my point is Sten is not a world beater OC and I’m not suggesting he’s going to finish top 3 or anything like that. Point was as a HC or really any FO personnel you naturally look to are they regressing or progressing. In his game he was progressing into a Top 8 OC by points. Last year was certainly a regression but it could just be an anomoly with injuries if that makes sense?
Now if Sten goes ranked #21 and few injuries? Then it’s time to go. (Just an example). If he’s Top 9 scoring or better we’d be premature to let him leave. Might turn into Jared Goff 2.0 leaving from LA. The guy looked to be stagnant and now he’s one of the best in the business. Some guys take a minute.