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Bye Week Adjustments and or Changes

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by 7thFloorRA, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. Un4GivN

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    I definitely agree, and that is why I said I blame the game more on coaching. But there were a lot of mental errors as well.

    I think House may have that ability but just have to see it more consistently. He has the size and the demeanor to do it, just not sure Capers wants that. He is a very opportunistic coordinator and the off coverage allows the corners to see the play better, make jumps on the ball. We will have to see on that.

    But you cant look at those stats and say the Packers are doing anything but ******** the bed on defense. Yeah there are some good signs here and there but they rank in the bottom 5 for just about everything but rushing defense.
     
  2. 12theTruth

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    This defense played well enough to win the game against the Bengals though. Scoring a defensive TD and creating 4 turnovers that should get you a victory in almost every game. The offense **** the bed in this last game. Moving forward we need to handle adversity better as a team and that starts with Mike McCarthy.
     
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  3. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    Yes, but that same "play 5-7 yards" off the WR keeps keeps getting us burned, badly. The slant routes are almost immediately open and the WR has more than ample time to either put a good move on the DB or just build acceleration and get a step on the DB. Either way, we are getting OWNED in the secondary......not to mention that the LB's that drop into coverage have been doing a sub-par job as well. Brad Jones gets eaten alive.
     
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  4. AmishMafia

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    You are playing both ends. They aren't good and you say they have the potential to win out. So no matter what happens, you have things covered.

    I certainly don't think they are currently playing their best ball. I am just looking beyond the current record at the team and I see reason to think this is going to develop into a great year.
     
  5. longtimefan

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    http://www.packersnews.com/article/...injury-has-team-looking-within?nclick_check=1

     
  6. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Statistical anomaly? An outlier is not an outlier when surrounded by a number of other "outliers" in the same vicinity. We call that a "pattern."
     
  7. I_am_smoked_cheddar

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    Good bye bye week, let's hope a stronger pass rush shows up for week 5. CM3 can't do it all by his self.
     
  8. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    I just read on ESPN.GO, that CM3 is listed as probable and had a full practice thursday !!!!
    Now, if we could just get a fire started under a few other guys butts to get after the QB.....
     
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  9. 13 Times Champs

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    We need more production out of Neal(well that's a hope and a prayer :(), Datone Jones and Perry.
     
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  10. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    Yeah, no doubt. On paper it looks like we have a group of QB killers......but not so much
     
  11. 13 Times Champs

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    Paper tigers so far.
     
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  12. HardRightEdge

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    Aaron Rodgers is 29 years old. He's had remarkable success doing what he's been doing. Expecting him to change in any significant way is unrealistic. If he sees man coverage and a single-high safety, he's going to be looking long and that's not going to change. Thinking otherwise is like wanting to paint a broader smile on the Mona Lisa.

    In any event, it does appear Rodgers controls the hurry up. And when men go in motion the purpose is to see what defensive intent might be, at which point decision making reverts to the QB. I'm not sure it advantageous to give any QB more control than that. There is a lot happening on the field very quickly in short time frames...to expect the QB to know all, see all is unrealistic.

    As for McCarthy, he's a methodical and somewhat controlling guy. To expect him to turn over the reins completely to Rodgers is unrealistic and likely not advantageous. Did it benefit Indy or hurt them (see playoff record)? It's impossible to prove the counter factual. Or was the control Manning had in Indy overstated...it's been oft reported that his yelling and gyrations suggesting an audible were often fake. Besides, the QB does not control the personnel package on any particular play, so latitude is limited in that regard.

    That said, I don't care for anybody calling plays from the sidelines, unless he's just relaying what the OC is telling him from the booth. You often can't see sh*t from the sidelines. Note that QBs study eye-in-the-sky photos when they come to the bench more than they engage the sideline play caller in tactical discussion. As with Rodgers' and MM's little dust up, which was pretty mild and in the category of "we have to report something", when coach and QB get together on the sidelines it's usually a matter of disagreement not commiseration.

    MM is slow to change, in keeping with his methodical approach, though we do see gradual changes from year -to-year. I especially like his new habit, as of last season, of going for it on 4th. and short vs. a 50 yard FG, and that has nothing to do with my opinion of Crosby.
     
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  13. easyk83

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    Peyton's playoff history hasn't exactly been dazzling and in his one Super Bowl win his performance was pedestrian. I look at Tom Brady who led his team to 3 super bowl victories as a system quarterback. As a field general his Patriots have won none.
     
  14. HardRightEdge

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    Yup. It's kind of like the Wizard of Oz.

    Perry is kinda like the Tin Man...he needs a heart (i.e., a motor). Jones is like the Scarecrow lacking brains (i.e., lack of experience). Neal is like the cowardly lion lacking in courage (i.e., to translate the "practice warrior" rep to on-field performance without the benefit of chemical enhancement).

    Or is it they all need to find motors? Or is it that Perry needs to find a brain because he still looks uncertain in most of what he does? And does Jones need to build more size and strength, outside the Oz list of needs?

    Living in Buffalo now for a couple of years where Packer games are never shown live except when national (thank you, NFL Rewind), I'd trade this entire defense for the perennial doormat Bills' in a heartbeat. It just goes to show what an elite QB does.
     
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  15. HardRightEdge

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    Correct. And Brady certainly does not have complete control of his play calling, likely no more than Rodgers' does. But since Manning is throwing lights out in Denver this year, he must be the gold standard. Long term memory seems in short supply these days.
     
  16. HardRightEdge

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    Well, well. 1.5 out of 3 against Detroit. We finally saw out of Neal what the coaches have been touting. The guy was very active and disruptive all day. He even put on a nice bull rush early on pushing the RT back in Stafford's face despite his new, svelter self. He did not get any credit for tackles for loss on a couple of run plays according to ESPN's box score, but I would have given him credit for one, and he was chiefly responsible for blowing up another. He played a very good game, his best in a Packer uniform. +1

    Perry had the 2 sacks on virtually identical rushes against Reiff. No first-step burst to speak of, but a little shoulder dip on the 3rd. step with some leverage and late burst. Otherwise, not much to comment on. +1/2

    I'd like to see these guys repeat these performances against a better set of tackles or a team with more than one weapon on the field. Encouraging, but I'm not quite ready to declare these performances more than a one-off.
     

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