Best way to prep crow for Parsons humble pie.

[Voyageur]

Nice hedge weeds. Well done. Yeah I think all of us were at least a little critical of the deal when it was announced.

Turns out GB is the place where great, under-appreciated players go to thrive. It's not always true, but Jacobs, McKinney, and now Parsons fit in that category.

I was skeptical when I heard the dollar amount. Then I read the contract and looked at the situation with Clark, and his pending free agency and I came to the conclusion this was actually a no-brainer decision. The Packers got a real talent for a good price and a 3-year window of opportunity that most teams don't get with the youngest team in the league. I'm eating crow myself from my gut reaction.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I was skeptical when I heard the dollar amount. Then I read the contract and looked at the situation with Clark, and his pending free agency and I came to the conclusion this was actually a no-brainer decision. The Packers got a real talent for a good price and a 3-year window of opportunity that most teams don't get with the youngest team in the league. I'm eating crow myself from my gut reaction.

I think the majority had that initial reaction. I wasn't surprised by what was given in exchange for Parsons, but paying him $47 mil AAV and I think $130 mil guaranteed was way higher than what Garrett and Watt just got.

I'm guessing there was at least one other team in the running, and the actual comp for Parsons was driven up. That bugged me, but now that I've seen what he can do, it's fine.

The loss to Cleveland was NOT fine. Love can't move on from making bad decisions under duress, with horrific outcomes.

 

[gopkrs]

I think the majority had that initial reaction. I wasn't surprised by what was given in exchange for Parsons, but paying him $47 mil AAV and I think $130 mil guaranteed was way higher than what Garrett and Watt just got.

I'm guessing there was at least one other team in the running, and the actual comp for Parsons was driven up. That bugged me, but now that I've seen what he can do, it's fine.

The loss to Cleveland was NOT fine. Love can't move on from making bad decisions under duress, with horrific outcomes.

It certainly would have been better for him to eat the ball while looking for a different receiver. I was totally surprised when he just threw the ball to the other team. LaFleur can make excuses for him and I wouldn't doubt it was a bad play call. But Jordan is the guy with the ball. He's not a damn robot to just do as the design of the play.

 

[Voyageur]

It certainly would have been better for him to eat the ball while looking for a different receiver. I was totally surprised when he just threw the ball to the other team. LaFleur can make excuses for him and I wouldn't doubt it was a bad play call. But Jordan is the guy with the ball. He's not a damn robot to just do as the design of the play.

Jordan is still making mistakes that he should have gotten past during his first year under center. He ate the ball on a crucial play for a sack when he was outside the pocket and had ample opportunity to throw it away down field. His pass directly to the defender. The excuse afford by Moose on TV was that he didn't see the defender. The truth is, he didn't see anything because the pass was clearly behind the receiver by a full yard on his crossing pattern. The truth, I'd guess, is that he was throwing the ball before he even thought about what he was doing. He flat refuses to throw to Doubs. Defenses see this, and they are actually letting him run free downfield on a lot of plays because they know the ball is never going there. Yesterday, repeatedly, Doubs was open in the crossing routes with nobody even close and Love either ate the ball or rolled out and threw the ball to a receiver in traffic. That is not playing NFL level QB in my opinion.

If you get a chance to dissect some of the plays, watch pass plays where Doubs is actually in full view of Love, wide open, and he opts to throw a check down or a long out that goes for an incompletion. I don't get it. Why is this happening? When he does throw to Doubs and makes it catchable, it's usually a good gainer.

 

[gopkrs]

Jordan is still making mistakes that he should have gotten past during his first year under center. He ate the ball on a crucial play for a sack when he was outside the pocket and had ample opportunity to throw it away down field. His pass directly to the defender. The excuse afford by Moose on TV was that he didn't see the defender. The truth is, he didn't see anything because the pass was clearly behind the receiver by a full yard on his crossing pattern. The truth, I'd guess, is that he was throwing the ball before he even thought about what he was doing. He flat refuses to throw to Doubs. Defenses see this, and they are actually letting him run free downfield on a lot of plays because they know the ball is never going there. Yesterday, repeatedly, Doubs was open in the crossing routes with nobody even close and Love either ate the ball or rolled out and threw the ball to a receiver in traffic. That is not playing NFL level QB in my opinion.

If you get a chance to dissect some of the plays, watch pass plays where Doubs is actually in full view of Love, wide open, and he opts to throw a check down or a long out that goes for an incompletion. I don't get it. Why is this happening? When he does throw to Doubs and makes it catchable, it's usually a good gainer.

I have been wondering about that. Could it be LaFleur tending away from Doubs? He's the logical guy to go to imho. And that should make space for Golden and Wicks. I really think those 3 should be in on most plays.

 

[milani]

Jordan is still making mistakes that he should have gotten past during his first year under center. He ate the ball on a crucial play for a sack when he was outside the pocket and had ample opportunity to throw it away down field. His pass directly to the defender. The excuse afford by Moose on TV was that he didn't see the defender. The truth is, he didn't see anything because the pass was clearly behind the receiver by a full yard on his crossing pattern. The truth, I'd guess, is that he was throwing the ball before he even thought about what he was doing. He flat refuses to throw to Doubs. Defenses see this, and they are actually letting him run free downfield on a lot of plays because they know the ball is never going there. Yesterday, repeatedly, Doubs was open in the crossing routes with nobody even close and Love either ate the ball or rolled out and threw the ball to a receiver in traffic. That is not playing NFL level QB in my opinion.

If you get a chance to dissect some of the plays, watch pass plays where Doubs is actually in full view of Love, wide open, and he opts to throw a check down or a long out that goes for an incompletion. I don't get it. Why is this happening? When he does throw to Doubs and makes it catchable, it's usually a good gainer.

And in the case of the INT taking a sack or throwing it away would have forced a punt which is far better than putting your D out to defend at the 4 yard line. The Browns offense had been so putrid up until then that making them go 50 or 60 yards into the end zone against our defense is in your favor. And at worst it only ties the game and they use up their timeouts.

 

[Voyageur]

And in the case of the INT taking a sack or throwing it away would have forced a punt which is far better than putting your D out to defend at the 4 yard line. The Browns offense had been so putrid up until then that making them go 50 or 60 yards into the end zone against our defense is in your favor. And at worst it only ties the game and they use up their timeouts.

It's always so misleading when we look at a score and say that the opposition scored so many points against our defense. When you look at a game like yesterday, and you indicated, the Packer offense, essentially Love, gave them points that the Packers couldn't match. Not only did Love play inconsistently, he was reckless and despite all the statements that LeFleur has made, this loss rests on Love's shoulders.

As far as our run game, we haven't got one three games into the season. All we have is Josh Jacobs hammering against a brick wall making something out of nothing because the blocks and holes are not there. We need to see some major upgrades in play in that front five and Love needs to play the way he's shown he's capable of doing in the past. Put this fiasco in the rear-view mirror and move forward with a new resolve that you don't look past anyone because you ain't that good that you can mail it in.

 

[milani]

It's always so misleading when we look at a score and say that the opposition scored so many points against our defense. When you look at a game like yesterday, and you indicated, the Packer offense, essentially Love, gave them points that the Packers couldn't match. Not only did Love play inconsistently, he was reckless and despite all the statements that LeFleur has made, this loss rests on Love's shoulders.

As far as our run game, we haven't got one three games into the season. All we have is Josh Jacobs hammering against a brick wall making something out of nothing because the blocks and holes are not there. We need to see some major upgrades in play in that front five and Love needs to play the way he's shown he's capable of doing in the past. Put this fiasco in the rear-view mirror and move forward with a new resolve that you don't look past anyone because you ain't that good that you can mail it in.

I harken to many years ago when Bill Belichick faced the Steelers, I believe, in a MNF game. He knew they would load the box. So Bill had Brady come out and go pass, pass, pass. Eventually, it loosened up the box and the defense had to change. But what you saw was a HC with a plan. And he had his offense on the same page during practice. And he had an alternative plan when the Steelers had to adjust. Shanahan, in Elway's last few years, made similar adjustments when teams loaded the box for Terrell Davis.

 

[Voyageur]

I harken to many years ago when Bill Belichick faced the Steelers, I believe, in a MNF game. He knew they would load the box. So Bill had Brady come out and go pass, pass, pass. Eventually, it loosened up the box and the defense had to change. But what you saw was a HC with a plan. And he had his offense on the same page during practice. And he had an alternative plan when the Steelers had to adjust. Shanahan, in Elway's last few years, made similar adjustments when teams loaded the box for Terrell Davis.

The Browns used a 4-2-5 defense against the Packers almost all day. Their pass rush was solid without blitzing, and they hat hats on the ball because they maintained lane integrity. The Packers offensive line could not budge them from their lanes and their linebackers cleaned up the runs exceptionally well.

LeFleur obviously believed that throwing into a 5-man defensive backfield wasn't prudent and he was right based on how Love seemed totally confused by their coverages. The problem is, even with a healthy offensive line they hadn't taken commanded of the LOS for the running game in the previous two games. Then injuries struck and the Packers had not spent time developing alternate blocking schemes to offset the tremendous rush the 4 linemen the Browns had on the field. Those 5 sacks are an example, along with the fact that our running game never got untracked. Our RBs were getting hit before the got to the LOS because of the penetration their down linemen were getting, and their linebackers were cleaning up anything that got to their level which was nearly on the LOS.

Due to injuries, the Packers couldn't use 12 personnel to help offset that pass rush because we were short TEs. It became a debacle because of the miscalculations and injuries prior to the game and during the game. It was the perfect storm to get blown out by a team that probably couldn't beat you 20% of the time.

 

[milani]

The Browns used a 4-2-5 defense against the Packers almost all day. Their pass rush was solid without blitzing, and they hat hats on the ball because they maintained lane integrity. The Packers offensive line could not budge them from their lanes and their linebackers cleaned up the runs exceptionally well.

LeFleur obviously believed that throwing into a 5-man defensive backfield wasn't prudent and he was right based on how Love seemed totally confused by their coverages. The problem is, even with a healthy offensive line they hadn't taken commanded of the LOS for the running game in the previous two games. Then injuries struck and the Packers had not spent time developing alternate blocking schemes to offset the tremendous rush the 4 linemen the Browns had on the field. Those 5 sacks are an example, along with the fact that our running game never got untracked. Our RBs were getting hit before the got to the LOS because of the penetration their down linemen were getting, and their linebackers were cleaning up anything that got to their level which was nearly on the LOS.

Due to injuries, the Packers couldn't use 12 personnel to help offset that pass rush because we were short TEs. It became a debacle because of the miscalculations and injuries prior to the game and during the game. It was the perfect storm to get blown out by a team that probably couldn't beat you 20% of the time.

I was referring to the general scenario of the first 3 games regardless of injuries and opponents. Not every D can use a 4-2-5 and get away with stopping the run consistently if you are facing a top RB and a solid offensive line. You may have the speed rushers but with enough beef they can get worn down ESPECIALLY when you dominate the total number of plays. You have to rotate bodies and move an LB up at times. Forrest Gregg was able to construct his running game with both the Bengals and Packers to actually force defenses to put in a 5th lineman even though he had some good passing QBs. Now the Ravens had the advantage of not just Henry but Jackson.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It certainly would have been better for him to eat the ball while looking for a different receiver. I was totally surprised when he just threw the ball to the other team. LaFleur can make excuses for him and I wouldn't doubt it was a bad play call. But Jordan is the guy with the ball. He's not a damn robot to just do as the design of the play.

Agreed. On this play, MLF, for reasons I don't get, had two WRs and one TE running routes to the left. That will attract a lot of opposing players. MLF took responsibility for the call, but certainly Love shares some blame. And this is the 3rd season in a row, all with Love starting, that INTs have been thrown on that side of the field, with a few of them going for 6. It just can't keep happening, but it does.

Overall, Love is protecting the ball much better. This was a baffling lack of focus by MLF and Love. Same for the blocked FG.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I harken to many years ago when Bill Belichick faced the Steelers, I believe, in a MNF game. He knew they would load the box. So Bill had Brady come out and go pass, pass, pass. Eventually, it loosened up the box and the defense had to change. But what you saw was a HC with a plan. And he had his offense on the same page during practice. And he had an alternative plan when the Steelers had to adjust. Shanahan, in Elway's last few years, made similar adjustments when teams loaded the box for Terrell Davis.

This is one of the mistakes MLF continues to make, and it's maddening. And in most cases, opponents aren't just "showing" 8 men, they're keeping them at the LOS, and the rest are rushing. It happens too fast to create a gap for Jacobs.

 

[rmontro]

Since we travel to Dallas to play the Cowboys in week 4, I'm wondering how the fans are going to react when Parsons takes the field in a Packer uniform. Living in Cowboy country I think it's going to be entertaining.

I don't know, but if we beat them too badly, Jerry might stop wanting to make deals with us.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't know, but if we beat them too badly, Jerry might stop wanting to make deals with us.

I think Parsons will get a warm reception from the Dallas crowd. Jerry Jones? Not so much.