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There had better be a more polished team than this. The oline and lack of running game is concerning.
I'm also somewhat surprised no one has panicked on here about last nights game
Bulaga and Sherrod were both 1st rounders. But they've gotten injured.SF has 3 1st rounders starting on OL, and we have 3 4th rounders. Injuries are no excuse. There are no excuses in NFL. Sherod is a bust, and quite frankly, so is Bulaga.
Bulaga and Sherrod were both 1st rounders. But they've gotten injured.
San Fran's 3 first rounders magically haven't.
I can guarantee you this: If their Iupati and Davis had gotten hurt instead of Sherrod and Bulaga, WE would have beaten them last year and be better than them now.
You are right about the OL talent making a big difference. IT DOES. Can't turn scrubs into studs.
Again, break the legs of Iupati or Anthony Davis, and pop out Staley's hip and tear his ACL..... and let's see how many more holes we see for Frank Gore and Kaepernick.
And give Rodgers his two 1st round OTs healthy........
Can't blame Teddy for those injuries.
A higher power has to handicap the Packers some how 'cause if (insert specific Higher Power here: God, Jesus, Other teams prayers, Ghost of Lombardi etc) didn't it wouldn't be a fair game.I know you can't blame TT, but. . .
GB 1st rounders injured:
Brian Bulaga
Derek Sherrod
Nick Perry
Datone Jones.
There is something wrong here. I don't know what it is, but there is something wrong. It's not just luck. There's something. . . .
I know you can't blame TT, but. . .
GB 1st rounders injured:
Brian Bulaga
Derek Sherrod
Nick Perry
Datone Jones.
There is something wrong here. I don't know what it is, but there is something wrong. It's not just luck. There's something. . . .
Funny you should say that because I typed the following in that last post then thought better of it:
"...fire Capers, switch to a 4-3 and draft Clowney."
I thought better of it because (1) I'm not a Capers hater and would like nothing more than to see him turn the corner this year, (2) assuming Capers does turn the corner, Clowney is not a good fit for 3-4; he's a 4-3 DE and (3) what the heck do you do with Matthews in a 4-3.
You just don't take a talent like Clowney and hope you can convert him to 3-4 OLB or slap 20 lbs. on him for 3-4 DE. He's a hand in the dirt guy; I see no highlight clips where he's standing up.
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Running game still looks like a joke. No one can run block on this team. It isnt going to change. Coach yelling at you to run block better and try harder isnt going to work in the NFL. You cant grind out run blocking. Its not a matter of effort, its comes down to talent level.
You guys honestly think TJ Lang and Don Barclay, or Newhouse can become solid run blockers in the NFL? How are they ever going to beat guys like Suh, Ngata, or Peppers. They dont have the physical tools to do so. Good coaching cant turns scrubs into studs. Overachievers dont get better, and are team is full of them. SF has 3 1st rounders starting on OL, and we have 3 4th rounders. Injuries are no excuse. There are no excuses in NFL. Sherod is a bust, and quite frankly, so is Bulaga.
I couldnt believe how few snaps Bahktiari got? He should of taken as many snaps are Jolly at least. You cant hold out a rookie in pre season because youre worried he will get hurt. If player cant last through pre season, how can you count on them to finish regular season?
McCarthy talks a tough game, but dude doesnt back it up. He says the same thing every year since 2010, we're going to get better at run game, its our main focus. I don't blame him though, the real problem is Ted.
Sad thing is without Rodgers arm, our running game would be dead last in NFL. Both safeties would be directly on LoS. It would be worse than when Tebow is in there.
There had better be a more polished team than this. The oline and lack of running game is concerning.
So Clowney is essentially a gadget player in our system. (I said the same thing about Perry, would much rather have Clowney)Assuming Capers does turn the corner, Clowney is not a good fit for 3-4; he's a 4-3 DE and (3) what the heck do you do with Matthews in a 4-3.
You just don't take a talent like Clowney and hope you can convert him to 3-4 OLB or slap 20 lbs. on him for 3-4 DE. He's a hand in the dirt guy; I see no highlight clips where he's standing up.
Problem solved.Capers doesn't do hybrid. He does gadgets and disguises.
Lang and Barclay yes, Newhouse no. Lang has VERY heavy hands and solid leverage, and Barclay is already a solid run blocker who projects to his highest ceiling at Guard. Newhouse just doesn't have the right mindset. "Overachievers" can get better if they learn the nuances of their position and perfect their technique, especially if they have good instincts. I'd take our 5th rounder Sitton over any of the SF 1st rounders except maybe Staley. By Sherrod's standards Mike Flanagan was a bust too. Here's to hoping for a similar outcome. BTW I fixed your spelling issues.You guys honestly think TJ Lang and Don Barclay, or Newhouse can become solid run blockers in the NFL? How are they ever going to beat guys like Suh, Ngata, or Peppers. They dont have the physical tools to do so. Good coaching cant turns scrubs into studs. Overachievers dont get better, and our team is full of them. SF has 3 1st rounders starting on OL, and we have 3 4th rounders. Injuries are no excuse. There are no excuses in NFL. Sherrod is a bust, and quite frankly, so is Bulaga.
Young took care of the ball.MM was quoted in your link on Harrell, "“I thought he did an excellent job of keeping us in clean plays. The productivity and sustaining drives is something we have to look at,” McCarthy said.
That means he's running our offense as intended, without actually succeeding at it. So, as I said, I'd rather see us lose running our offense than "broken play on 2". Winning and losing with this team has a clear dividing line...making the playoffs vs. not. None of these guys are the guy to get us on the right side of the equation.
Worst? No. But I don't see us as playoff bound either, not with that cadre of backup QBs.Does anyone actually think that without Rodgers we're THE worst team in the NFL?
So...you're saying you don't see us as being any different than 85% of the rest of the NFL in that regard?Worst? No. But I don't see us as playoff bound either, not with that cadre of backup QBs.
Exactly.So...you're saying you don't see us as being any different than 85% of the rest of the NFL in that regard?
Does anyone actually think that without Rodgers we're THE worst team in the NFL? Really?
Positives from last night: As far as I know, no one actually died, only several careers were placed on life support. That “game” also helped coaches making cuts: When asked by a player why he didn’t make it, the coach can simply refer to his performance last night.
All semi-kidding aside, that was about as ugly an exhibition of football as a Packers fan could dread. Particularly after the long wait for “real football”. And particularly after we were told this was a team with renewed focus wanting to begin to change its image as ‘soft’. It’s awfully early for a wake-up call but one was delivered non-the-less.
There was plenty of disappointment to go around but I was particularly disappointed in the lack of pressure by the defense early in the game. And I was disappointed in whoever that was wearing House’s jersey last night. That certainly wasn’t the player we watched last preseason.
The best part of the game IMO was the play of Bakhtiari. No small thing but it seems like it considering the cluster schtoop that was the rest of the game. One more positive: I don't see anyone here in full panic mode.
I just saw the ProFootballFocus grades for the game, and I was really surprised by their grade for Baktiari. They graded him -0.8 (1.3 pass, -2,4 run). I thought Baktiari was one of the bright spots in the game. Thoughts?
Other grades:
Top 5 offense: Lane Taylor +2.6, Barclay +1.9, Rodgers, +1,3 Mulligan +1.2, Jones, EDS and Walker +0.8
Worst: Alex Green -1.1, Patrick Lewis -0.9, Vince Young -0.9
Notable: Alex Gilett -0.5 (thought he played a nice game)
Top 5 on defense: Mike Daniels +3.7, Jolly and Francois +2. Perry and Bush 1.4
Worst: Davon House, -3.2, Dezman Mozes -1,
Notable: Jarvis Reed +1.2, Mulumba +0.7 and Donte Savage +0.7 (apparently they like our young undrafted linebackers), also Fulton -0.3 (+1.6 against run, -1.9 coverage)
Basically they front 7 graded well, but the secondary scored bad (minus Bush). Makes sense.
I am not sure whether I "agree" with all grades, as said some surprised me. But it might food for thought (or food for discussion).
I wonder how they grade a play like McMillan's getting beat like a rug deep in the first possession where the ball was overthrown? It it no harm, no foul...or a negative?
It's interesting that Harrell or Coleman must have graded better than Young's -0.9 if your numbers are correct, or that Young graded that eye. That doesn't pass the eye test.
I agree that Jolly, Francois and Daniels had good games, as noted in post #1. Perry looked solid against run; the book is open as to whether he'll ever be kind of pass rusher who warrants a first round pick.
You are correct 9 guys scored over +1 versus the run, only one guy (Daniels, +1.5) scored over +1 rushing the passer, and one guy scored over 1 for coverage (Bush, +1.2).The front 7 was very solid against the run throughout the roster, and the second team was applying decent pressure. The first team's pass pressure left something to be desired. But that's preseason...first stringers who are assured in their jobs might be inclined to make business decisions at this stage
I just saw the ProFootballFocus grades for the game, and I was really surprised by their grade for Baktiari. They graded him -0.8 (1.3 pass, -2,4 run). I thought Baktiari was one of the bright spots in the game. Thoughts?
Other grades:
Top 5 offense: Lane Taylor +2.6, Barclay +1.9, Rodgers, +1,3 Mulligan +1.2, Jones, EDS and Walker +0.8
Worst: Alex Green -1.1, Patrick Lewis -0.9, Vince Young -0.9
Notable: Alex Gilett -0.5 (thought he played a nice game)
Top 5 on defense: Mike Daniels +3.7, Jolly and Francois +2. Perry and Bush 1.4
Worst: Davon House, -3.2, Dezman Mozes -1,
Notable: Jarvis Reed +1.2, Mulumba +0.7 and Donte Savage +0.7 (apparently they like our young undrafted linebackers), also Fulton -0.3 (+1.6 against run, -1.9 coverage)
Basically they front 7 graded well, but the secondary scored bad (minus Bush). Makes sense.
I am not sure whether I "agree" with all grades, as said some surprised me. But it might food for thought (or food for discussion).
I agree with some grades, disagree with others. Bakhtiari's pass grade looks about right..he looked solid out there. He's a fundamentally sound football player who maintains focus...we can't say the same about Newhouse. A minus on run blocking seems fair too though that number seems a bit stiff. Keep in mind that's not the main reason he's over there. Besides, nobody on the first string was very effective run blocking...Starks was on his own.
But to be honest I still view Bakhtiari as the bright spot of the game. And it seems like guys like Bob McGinn, Tom Silverstein and Vic Ketchman like him as well. Actually Zach Kruse made a play by play breakdown of Bakhtiari's play, and he was very positive.
I think most are evaluating Baktiari from a pass blocking perspective and the fact that he was tied for the highest rating in pass blocking is good. Generally speaking the left tackle isn't really a dominating run blocker in most offenses.