All duds panthers

[AGreen2AJones]

Who think you can compare the situation to kicking fg vs Tampa in the Championship game

I recall Rodgers telling to go for it

MLF should have been fired after the Scotty Miller hail mary first half TD

 

[longtimefan]

MLF should have been fired after the Scotty Miller hail mary first half TD

Well ok

But wasn’t my question

 

[longtimefan]

MLF should have been fired after the Scotty Miller hail mary first half TD

Well ok

But wasn’t my questionn

Was 4th and goal at the 8 and down 8 points . Today 4th and 8 down 7

 

[OldSchool101]

That’s something to strongly consider. Our Pass Defense had allowed 19 yards passing on the last drive, but it was the Dowdle +19 Run that setup the FG.

GB allowed 83 yards passing through 59.5 minutes! Even with a +9 and +10 throw Carolina was out of FG range. It was our Run D that allowed the final +19 Scramble to the GB31. So our Pass Defense in totality allowed

11/20 (55%) 0 TD 1 INT
102 Yards
46% QB rating 48% Passer rating.

I know we lost, however our Pass Defense was superb. This was easily their best performance this season and it’s not even close.

Stud: Pass Defense.

 

[milani]

MLF should have been fired after the Scotty Miller hail mary first half TD

You mean the one vs. the great Kenny King?

 

[gopkrs]

An experiment that maybe is not working is Jenkins. At least twice he went to help out the L guard, who didn't need any, and left a hole a mile wide to let a blitzer come running in free right at Jordan Love. Maybe blame should be given to Love also for not telling Jenkins that he had to watch out for the blitz coming up the gut at the line of scrimmage. It was masked well because the blitzer stayed back until the snap but still, the line is supposed to make holes for running through not to leave gigantic holes for a rusher. I see other centers covering the middle when there is no one to block only to cover up that possibility. So maybe it is on the O line coach. It shouldn't happen.

 

[tjgab4]

I normally try and do three apiece, but that might be tough...

Studs:
- Doubs and Watson both looked pretty good today. Combined for 9 rec on 14 targets and 150 yards.

- X remembering how to snag an INT again

- I'm stretching here... with the exception of two BAD throws (one INT and one should-have-been), Love looked sharp again. Week after week I find myself wondering why this team decided to pay him a billion dollars yet don't seem to want to trust him that much.

Duds:
- Hafley's defense seems to pretty much only work as front runners. When the offense is firing and we get a lead and they can play aggressive they are solid. If you ask them to protect a lead or hang on to a tie in two-minute drill type situations I have basically zero confidence in them getting the job done.

- Special teams continues to be an absolute liability. Our return game offers no positive benefit, we cannot seem to figure out what we want to do with our two kickers, and situationally it seems like we have no idea how we want to approach potential ST situations

- Week after week LaFleur's play calling leaves me scratching my head all game long. It often seems like he calls plays for the team that he WANTS to have (or THINKS he has), rather than calling for the team that the *actually* has. We are not a ground-and-pound run-to-establish-the-pass team with a bunch of road-graders on the OL. This should be a pass-first team and it seems like LaFleur is either unwilling or unable to acknowledge this. Overall I think Matt is a very, very, good coach but I think we have probably seen our ceiling under him. The bottom line is that I don't think we are ever think we are going to win a Super Bowl so long as he is our primary play caller. I hope to be proven wrong on that but I guess we'll see.

Agree with your comments!...I was excited when Hafley was hired, but to me, he has been a major disappointment. Only like one step above Joe Barry. He simply does not understand how to play defense to protect a lead, especially in two-minute drill situations. Time to move on from him and fast. Stenavich as well, not impressing me as OC. O-Line problems is another issue.

 

[Pugger]

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. We just lack the killer finishing instinct. MLF needs to improve for the team to improve.

After all this time MLF is what he is. He still calls the same stupid plays week after week and wonders why these don't work. smh

 

[Pugger]

Without Kraft, the chances of winning the next two are low. If you lose to the Browns and Panthers, winning the next two is a ridiculous statement. Even if that occurs, they would turn around and go on a losing streak.

Losing Kraft hurts but the issues on this team go deeper than this.

 

[Pugger]

How does a defense of nothing but duds hold a team to 16 points?

By allowing them to march up and down the field and eat up the clock. How often did Carolina punt yesterday?

 

[tynimiller]

Agree with your comments!...I was excited when Hafley was hired, but to me, he has been a major disappointment. Only like one step above Joe Barry. He simply does not understand how to play defense to protect a lead, especially in two-minute drill situations. Time to move on from him and fast. Stenavich as well, not impressing me as OC. O-Line problems is another issue.

Hafley is NOT close to the issue. His defense is tied for the 6th fewest points given up on the year, 4th lowest yards against total, second best in yards/play, 6th best in passing yards given up, 5th best in rushing yards given up....

This defense is NOT where fingers pointed need placed.

 

[PackAttack12]

Only difference in the 2 ducks that Love threw yesterday vs the 2 or 3 he threw against the Steelers is pure luck.

Can’t put the ball in harms way like that and get away with it consistently.

That said, a pretty lousy performance all around. Very disappointing after last week.

 

[milani]

An experiment that maybe is not working is Jenkins. At least twice he went to help out the L guard, who didn't need any, and left a hole a mile wide to let a blitzer come running in free right at Jordan Love. Maybe blame should be given to Love also for not telling Jenkins that he had to watch out for the blitz coming up the gut at the line of scrimmage. It was masked well because the blitzer stayed back until the snap but still, the line is supposed to make holes for running through not to leave gigantic holes for a rusher. I see other centers covering the middle when there is no one to block only to cover up that possibility. So maybe it is on the O line coach. It shouldn't happen.

Jenkins is not normally a center but he has had plenty of NFL snaps to understand his role in that position.

 

[Pugger]

Jenkins is not normally a center but he has had plenty of NFL snaps to understand his role in that position.

MLF has to stop trying to jam round pegs into square holes along this line. Jenkins is a really good LG/LT and not a center. I am beginning to believe not paying Myers was a mistake. If your OL is screwed up it is damn difficult for your O to function properly no matter what team you are playing.

 

[El Guapo]

MLF has to stop trying to jam round pegs into square holes along this line. Jenkins is a really good LG/LT and not a center. I am beginning to believe not paying Myers was a mistake. If your OL is screwed up it is damn difficult for your O to function properly no matter what team you are playing.

You do understand that the coach doesn't make personnel decisions, that's the GM.

 

[gopkrs]

You do understand that the coach doesn't make personnel decisions, that's the GM.

Yes but I doubt he does things w/o getting feedback from LaFleur

 

[PackerRyche]

You guys remind me of my son after he's had too much to drink around the campfire. "I'm shorry, but I compweetwy dishagwee!"

 

[Pugger]

You do understand that the coach doesn't make personnel decisions, that's the GM.

Absolutely. But Gute isn't deciding who plays where on game day. The issues on the line are not just at C.

 

[Magooch]

Love definitely had some head-scratching throws yesterday (to put it politely) and as a player HE has to know better than to make some of those terrible decisions... BUT, at the same time, I can't help but think he is being (negatively) influenced by two things: first is that he is often not really "allowed" to get into a good rhythm, and second is that I think he is often finding himself in situations where he feels like he HAS to hit a home run play to make something happen (which...tends to come as a consequence of not establishing a rhythm in the passing game)

I think Love has a cannon arm but at the same time IMO his bread and butter comes in the quick, more intermediate passing game. That's what needs to be done to open up those deep shots. Yesterday Love had 9 passes thrown behind the LOS, and 5 attempts of 20+ yards (of which a handful were more like 30, 40+ yards)...but just 6 total attempts in that intermediate range. Now to some degree I understand that you take what the defense gives you, but this approach/spread is not going to produce sustained success. Once again it feels like Matt cannot decide when to be aggressive vs conservative. You can't go from playing it ultra safe and go from short yardage inside run, check down, no-gain screen and then suddenly dial up a 40 yard bomb out of nowhere. It's not fooling anyone on the defense and we're only outsmarting ourselves here.

Relatedly I would LOVE to see then numbers for our success rate in the screen game. LaFleur seems enamored with the concept (and to be fair it is not just him. Screen usage is up league-wide) but I don't think the results are following. Again, league-wide, yards gained per play on screens are DOWN. In the last 15 years screen play yardage peaked at just under 6 yds/play but has been trending downwards; for the last three years it has been less than 5 yards per play.

And I think I mentioned it towards the end of the first half, but what on Earth was Matt thinking there??? You've got a minute and change to work with and he calls up a consecutive run plays for nothing, gets a penalty or two called, has to burn a timeout, and runs a ton of time off the clock. Even Greg Olsen who is obviously a Carolina homer was baffled as to that approach. To an extent I can understand not wanting to leave time on the clock like when we were facing Dallas who has a really potent offense, but for crying out loud, our head coach is acting like he's scared of Bryce Freaking Young with his 50% completion rating and average of 5 yards per passing attempt. I gotta step away, I'm getting more mad the more I think about this hahaha

 

[tynimiller]

MLF has to stop trying to jam round pegs into square holes along this line. Jenkins is a really good LG/LT and not a center. I am beginning to believe not paying Myers was a mistake. If your OL is screwed up it is damn difficult for your O to function properly no matter what team you are playing.

Jenkins was a center prospect, just really good elsewhere. He has a lot of snaps at Center and has cross trained awhile - this is not MLF saying put that square two by four into that round inch wide hole thing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

DUD: Me....for saying this on Thursday! Damnit Luke, I wasn't telling the football gods to knock you out!

The only way I see a guy like Musgrave not getting overlooked, is to have the guys ahead of him get injured. He obviously hasn't earned much playing time or targets, while they have been healthy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

DUD: Me, for trying to read this thread.

I need to stop visiting this thread after a loss. It seems like 1 loss is the end of the world for some Packer fans and it is time to fire/cut just about everyone!

Yes, the Packers played poorly yesterday, but come on man!

 

[gopkrs]

Thing is, we could have won it. They could have missed. And then everything is fine when it's really not. There are some things we just don't seem to learn from. And winning hides those things. imho

 

[tynimiller]

Thing is, we could have won it. They could have missed. And then everything is fine when it's really not. There are some things we just don't seem to learn from. And winning hides those things. imho

Yes and no, a few execution lacking moments and playcalls on offense cost us that game. The fumble really to me was when things seemed to knock our legs wobbly the most.

 

[milani]

You do understand that the coach doesn't make personnel decisions, that's the GM.

Final decisions have to be made by the GM. The coach should still be in on the loop and be able to give his input. I am certain that was the case with TT and MM.