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http://instantrimshot.com/He will be here all week folks!
Wasn't this a discussion last year when Masthay was kicking off, maybe in preseason? Masthay had a longer distance but, IIRC, MM went with Crosby for his placement on the kickoff plus his onside kicks. MM & Slocum wanted the other team to field it and try to return to the 20 instead of an automatic start at the 20....
I would also note that Crosby's "big leg" seems a bit overstated. I believe that perception is a hangover from his college days at Colorado kicking at altitude. He regularly appears at the bottom of the annual touchback % ranking.
The first part is right...Crosby for positioning and the on-side kicks over Masthay for distance. I don't think it was about being greedy for inside-the-20 opportunities, though. I think any coach would be happy with the 20 on any kick.Wasn't this a discussion last year when Masthay was kicking off, maybe in preseason? Masthay had a longer distance but, IIRC, MM went with Crosby for his placement on the kickoff plus his onside kicks. MM & Slocum wanted the other team to field it and try to return to the 20 instead of an automatic start at the 20.
Carpenter just won a game with a 58 yarder in the closing seconds with room to spare.When people talk about Crosby's big leg, they are usually referring to FG kicking. Crosby has hit quite a few long ones (last year he hit a 57 yarder in New York in mid-November). If we needed to hit a long FG at the end of a half or game, there aren't many kickers I would trust more to have the distance more than Crosby.
Wasn't this a discussion last year when Masthay was kicking off, maybe in preseason? Masthay had a longer distance but, IIRC, MM went with Crosby for his placement on the kickoff plus his onside kicks. MM & Slocum wanted the other team to field it and try to return to the 20 instead of an automatic start at the 20.
To me this is silly of them and over thinking. The average starting field position after a kickoff is the 22, you are automatically bettering that with a touchback. You're going to risk a momentum changing big return or a kickoff out of bounds for the marginal advantage of making them go 85 yards instead of 80? With our questionable coverage teams? Really? I'd like to know what the average starting field position is for opposing teams on our directional kickoffs, I'm guessing worse than the 22...my apologies to Slocum and MM if I'm wrong.
The point being, Carpenter's leg is equal to or better than Crosby's while the former is not usually in the conversation about the biggest legs. This is the golden age of kickers.I wasn't talking about Carpenter. You said that Crosby's big leg might be overstated. I responded. It had nothing to do with Carpenter.
If you do want to relate my comment to Carpenter, he hit his 58 yarder in a dome. A 57 yarder outside is more impressive. Crosby has hit 58 yarders in domes, and when Crosby hits those long kicks they usually have plenty of lag. Carpenter was pretty much maxed out at 58 yards in a dome. He also missed from 50 against Detroit, and he missed a 31 yarder against Miami. Crosby's only "miss" was a blocked 38 yarder. On top of that, Carpenter doesn't do kickoffs like Crosby does. Sticking with Crosby over Carpenter seems to be the right choice to me.
As for not giving Crosby credit for on-side kick acumen, it was I who noted that point in his favor in this thread and you spit it back at me as your own. I should know by now that's just the kind of thing you do. I should stop right here, but my better judgement seems to have left me at the moment.Do you still really want to argue that Crosby doesn't have a strong leg or that it's overstated:
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As for the touchback thing, Crosby plays at Lambeau, and the coaches do a lot of directional kicking. Is it any surprise that he would be lower on touchbacks? That's a completely separate issue from FG kicking anyways, and not an issue I value very highly with my FG kickers. On top of that, this isn't an argument for Carpenter speaking that he isn't even doing kickoffs. You are also conveniently ignoring how good Mason Crosby is on onside kick attempts. It's rare for him to not give the team an opportunity.
As for being up and down, sure, Crosby has been. Right now he's up and we'll have to see if he ever looks back. I think it's premature to say it will always be a problem.
As for not giving Crosby credit for on-side kick acumen, it was I who noted that point in his favor in this thread and you spit it back at me as your own. I should know by now that's just the kind of thing you do. I should stop right here, but my better judgement seems to have left me at the moment.Do you still really want to argue that Crosby doesn't have a strong leg or that it's overstated:
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As for the touchback thing, Crosby plays at Lambeau, and the coaches do a lot of directional kicking. Is it any surprise that he would be lower on touchbacks? That's a completely separate issue from FG kicking anyways, and not an issue I value very highly with my FG kickers. On top of that, this isn't an argument for Carpenter speaking that he isn't even doing kickoffs. You are also conveniently ignoring how good Mason Crosby is on onside kick attempts. It's rare for him to not give the team an opportunity.
As for being up and down, sure, Crosby has been. Right now he's up and we'll have to see if he ever looks back. I think it's premature to say it will always be a problem.
I should have exercised my better judgement the first time.You clearly didn't listen to it. The announcers even said it was an unfavorable wind, and the way the ball dies at the end seems to confirm that. Also, I said that you said a strong leg OR THAT HIS LEG IS OVERSTATED. As for saying that 68 yard free kick attempt is like kicking off, that's flat out wrong. Free kicks are held by a holder like a FG is. Kickoffs are kicked off of a tee. There is a huge difference.
I like how every time I expose your ridiculousness you claim that I'm misrepresenting you. It's your go-to safety net, but rarely, if ever, do you state what has actually been misrepresented.
Quoted for irony.... every time I expose your ridiculousness...
[Carpenter] also missed from 50 against Detroit...
An interesting postscript: As reported by the The Buffalo News, "Carpenter had a laser pointer shined into his eyes on that attempt. The Bills, who had a photo of it, alerted security and the problem was solved."
Detroit....Detroit is the team to beat in our division. (This one is endlessly puked year after year lately) - NOT
Agreed. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I don't expect much. Just making it to the playoffs is like winning the super bowl for me.....
Quite frankly, my opinion is that the team to beat is the team that won the division the previous year. How can a team be "the team to beat", when they haven't done anything yet.
I don't think a guy who made a game winning 58 yarder needs to make any excuses. If you believe it didn't happen that's your folly.I've heard every excuse in the book now. lol
There's a difference between the team to beat and a team to beat. Buffalo would be in the latter category, subject to upgrade as the season progresses. The only the teams are: (1) whoever the Packers play if and when a playoff berth hangs in the balance, (2) any playoff opponent and (3) Seattle at any time.amen my friend. amen. That's what I'm saying.
It's like the Falcons. So they add a couple pieces and all of a sudden they are "the team to beat"? Nah...that Falcon "team" is still full of the very same guys that continually gag on their tongues.
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There's a difference between the team to beat an a team to beat. Buffalo would be in the latter category, subject to upgrade as the season progresses. The only the teams are: (1) whoever the Packers play if and when a playoff berth hangs in the balance, (2) any playoff opponent and (3) Seattle at any time.
If you don't believe me, maybe Silverstein and Leroy Butler have more credibility with you. Note their closing comments in this week's "5 Questions".
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/
...but why would his opinion, or even less, silversteins, mean any more to anyone than the next tom, **** or hardrightedge on a topic like this...
I'd expect no less.It wasn't obvious. I don't get it, either. I read it multiple times.
You clearly didn't listen to it. The announcers even said it was an unfavorable wind, and the way the ball dies at the end seems to confirm that. Also, I said that you said a strong leg OR THAT HIS LEG IS OVERSTATED. As for saying that 68 yard free kick attempt is like kicking off, that's flat out wrong. Free kicks are held by a holder like a FG is. Kickoffs are kicked off of a tee. There is a huge difference.
I like how every time I expose your ridiculousness you claim that I'm misrepresenting you. It's your go-to safety net, but rarely, if ever, do you state what has actually been misrepresented.
Well stated...a man with reading comprehension skills. To repeat, when Crosby came into the league he was heralded as something special in the distance department. That's not the case now.Not to speak for HRE but I think what he's saying is not so much that Crosby doesn't have a strong leg, but that "strong leg" has been essentially redefined in the NFL by the modern kicker to the point where Crosby is just one among many.
As mentioned, Carpenter hit a 58 yarder with ease, has hit from 60 in the past, and you've got guys like Janikowski, Akers, Tucker, Bryant, Feely, Bironas, and Zuerlein hitting from 60+.
Even guys like Gould, Dawson, Barth, Nugent, Walsh, Gano, and Scobee have hit from 55+ in the last few years.
Granted, there's a difference in kicking in poor weather and kicking in a dome, and I'd be curious to see a study on how much of a difference in makes. But kickers like Gould and Carpenter, and even some of the ones out east, deal with it during the late fall and winter months as well.
It's just that a strong leg is an expectation of the modern kicker, to some extent. You don't see much more these days of the guy who is money inside 43 but can't be trusted from 50+. Both power and accuracy are an expectation of today's kicker, not one or the other. So it's not that Crosby doesn't have a powerful leg IMO, just that it's not a skillset that is unique to him by any means.
but Kyle Orton? COME OAAN MAN!!Have you seen them play? "Scared" may not be the right word. "Concerned" might be more apt.
Words like "scared" and "panic" should be reserved for those with large monetary wagers they cannot afford to lose.