3-4 DE or 3-4 OLB

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Which would you rather see drafted? We can all agree that since we lost Jenkins we have bsaically seen a huge drop off and production from that spot. We ply musical chairs but i'd rather see one guy stay on the field all three downs like Jenkins was able to do.

as far as Olb? one could say Perry needs his shot because he was a first round pick but he was injured alot last year and we basicaly played musical chairs at that spot to. I'm all for giving Perry a shot to start but not if he gets outplayed by a rookie in the preseason..he then becomes a situational player.

Altho he's not the typical 3-4 D-end Bjoerne Werner could be our JJ Watt. Relentless, relentless, relentless..remind you of anybody else on our defense?

OLB Dion Jordan and Clay Matthews together could give us a dynamic pass rushing Duo for years to come. You don't pass on jordan if he's still on the board.
 

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Which would you rather see drafted? We can all agree that since we lost Jenkins we have bsaically seen a huge dop off and production from that spot. We ply musical chairs but i'd rather see one guy stay on the field all three downslike Jnkins was able to do.

as far as Olb? one could say Perry needs his shot because he was a first round pick but he was injured alot last year and we basicaly played musical chairs at that spot to. I'm all for giving Perry a shot to start but not if he gets outplayed by a rookie in the preseason..he then becomes a situational player.

Altho he's not the typical 3-4 D-end Bjoerne Werner could be our JJ Watt. Relentless, relentless, relentless..remind you of anybody else on our defense?

OLB Dion Jordan and Clay Matthews together could give us a dynamic pass rushing Duo for years to come. You don't pass on jordan if he's still on the board.
Perry's season was ended by a knee injury in Week 6. I don't really think that validly constitutes him being "injured a lot" as that phrasing implies that he was injured frequently, a multitude of times. So end state on all of that, I'm OK with him getting another shot at being an every down starter.
Because of that I'd much rather see a DE drafted.
 
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Perry's season was ended by a knee injury in Week 6. I don't really think that validly constitutes him being "injured a lot" as that phrasing implies that he was injured frequently, a multitude of times. So end state on all of that, I'm OK with him getting another shot at being an every down starter.
Because of that I'd much rather see a DE drafted.


He had a bum wrist to which caused him some issues but maybe labeling him often injured is unfair haha. I'd like a good d-end but he'd have to be able to eat up blockers and have burst to get to the qb. I fear that guy will be gone by the time we pick. Ugh i can't blieve TT passed on Ngata.:tdown:
 
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Perry's season was ended by a knee injury in Week 6. I don't really think that validly constitutes him being "injured a lot" as that phrasing implies that he was injured frequently, a multitude of times. So end state on all of that, I'm OK with him getting another shot at being an every down starter.
Because of that I'd much rather see a DE drafted.

Perry went out with a wrist injury, not a knee, which hardly threatens his 2013 season. You might be thinking of Worthy.

Perry will be starting; he'll have to play himself out of a job. I can't see TT going high for an OLB unless and until Perry proves he's not up to the task. Even if he's "just OK" and does not live up to first round potential he'll still play on his cheap rookie contract.

As for the OP, Werner's not big enough to play 3-4 end. They're either a big body NT hybrid holding the edge or what would otherwise be a DT but with length and reach. By the by, not pertinent to the Packers, Werner worked out in LB drills at his Pro Day to some favorable reviews...he's far more likely a 3-4 OLB than a 3-4 DE...but we already covered that and he'll likely be taken above #26 anyway.
 

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Perry went out with a wrist injury, not a knee, which hardly threatens his 2013 season. You might be thinking of Worthy.

Perry will be starting; he'll have to play himself out of a job. I can't see TT going high for an OLB unless and until Perry proves he's not up to the task. Even he's "just OK" and does not live up to first round potential he'll still play on his cheap rookie contract.

As for the OP, Werner's not big enough to play 3-4 end. They're either a big body NT hybrid holding the edge or what would otherwise be a DT but with length and reach. By the by, not pertinent to the Packers, Werner worked out in LB drills at his Pro Day to some favorable reviews...he's far more likely a 3-4 OLB than a 3-4 DE...but we already covered that and he'll likely be taken above #26 anyway.
No; I was thinking about Perry, his Wikipedia page was just incorrect.
 
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No; I was thinking about Perry, his Wikipedia page was just incorrect.

It's easy to get confused on this. Perry was reported at one point to have had a knee issue of some sort. Then he went on IR after week 6 with the wrist injury reported as having dated back to week 1. Then he had surgery on the wrist.

So I'm going with "wrist"... surgery breaks the tie, if there was one.
 

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How about a NT, give Raji a few snaps off and allow the Packers to move Raji to DE at times to help against the run. Pickett could also use a few less snap. I would be all for drafting both a NT and DE maybe in the 1st and 2nd round. I think we still need to see what we have in Perry and Moses or that matter both are going into year two when the most improvement usually occurs.
 

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OLB is the more important position of the two, but DE is more important for the first round pick. Why? Because there would seem to be a significant chance we already have the solution there in Perry. If the Packers staff doesn't still think so, then get an OLB. The other reason is that what we currently have at DE is woefully inadequate. Neal on downward - mediocre at best, a mess at worst.
 

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Which would you rather see drafted? We can all agree that since we lost Jenkins we have bsaically seen a huge drop off and production from that spot. We ply musical chairs but i'd rather see one guy stay on the field all three downs like Jenkins was able to do.

as far as Olb? one could say Perry needs his shot because he was a first round pick but he was injured alot last year and we basicaly played musical chairs at that spot to. I'm all for giving Perry a shot to start but not if he gets outplayed by a rookie in the preseason..he then becomes a situational player.

Altho he's not the typical 3-4 D-end Bjoerne Werner could be our JJ Watt. Relentless, relentless, relentless..remind you of anybody else on our defense?

OLB Dion Jordan and Clay Matthews together could give us a dynamic pass rushing Duo for years to come. You don't pass on jordan if he's still on the board.

Werner is not a 3-4 end can't fit a square beg into a round hole. Werner is 6-3 266. That is the size of our OLB's Perry is 6-3 265, Matthew is 6-3 255.

The consensous top 2 3-4 DE in the league are JJ Watt 6-5, 295 and Haloti Ngata 6-4, 330, very different body types from Werner

Here are the top 5 3-4 DE's according to Mike Mayock (I think he is the best draft expert in the biz)
1. Star Lotulelei, Utah
2. Margus Hunt, SMU
3. Datone Jones, UCLA
4. Jesse Williams, Alabama
5. William Gholston, Michigan State

Albiet Hunt, Jones and Gholston would have to add some weight.
 
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How about a NT, give Raji a few snaps off and allow the Packers to move Raji to DE at times to help against the run. Pickett could also use a few less snap. I would be all for drafting both a NT and DE maybe in the 1st and 2nd round. I think we still need to see what we have in Perry and Moses or that matter both are going into year two when the most improvement usually occurs.

Raji gets snaps at DE from time to time. Quite a bit actually in early 2011. He has been effective there.

This draft is thin in prototype 3-4 DEs (length/reach) if we're talking about a high pick for 2013 productivity. Heck, Gil Brandt commented after Datone Jones' Pro Day that consensus is building for him as a 4-3 DE. What does that leave? A first round reach for Margus Hunt who's also generally pegged for 4-3? The talent is not there this year. I'd take a shot at the 26 year old Hunt in the second round, but I doubt he'll be on the board when our turn comes.

More likely we might see a NT/3-4 DE hybrid type taken high...the draft is deeper in this type of player. It would be more of a plan-ahead-to-2014 pick...Pickett is in the last year of his deal and Raji will be a FA after 2014.
 

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Raji gets snaps at DE from time to time. Quite a bit actually in early 2011. He has been effective there.

This draft is thin in prototype 3-4 DEs (length/reach) if we're talking about a high pick for 2013 productivity. Heck, Gil Brandt commented after Datone Jones' Pro Day that consensus is building for him as a 4-3 DE. What does that leave? A first round reach for Margus Hunt who's also generally pegged for 4-3? The talent is not there this year. I'd take a shot at the 26 year old Hunt in the second round, but I doubt he'll be on the board when our turn comes.

More likely we might see a NT/3-4 DE hybrid type taken high...the draft is deeper in this type of player. It would be more of a plan-ahead-to-2014 pick...Pickett is in the last year of his deal and Raji will be a FA after 2014.

Barring a player like Jarvis Jones or Star Lotulelei sliding. I would be OK with a combination of Jon Jenkins and Jessie Williams in the 1st round and 2nd rounds. Grab both a 3-4 DE and a true NT.
 

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I think TT is going to totally go against the grain this year in the draft. I know we are all hoping that he drafts a good DE or OLB or S. I really can't see him drafting a lot of Defensive players, he did that last year. We still have a young D. We have Mcmillian, burnett, dj smith, raji, daniels, hayward, clay, perry, house, moses, neal, manning, shields, M.D jennings. That is a lot of young guys. So, I say all of this to say that I believe that TT may draft one or two defensive guys and the rest will be offensive guys. I think he will pick up a nice RB to go with harris, a few OL and another good reciever. Another way he could possibly go is trading away some picks to move up in different spots to grab some top players that are ready to contribute right away. Thoughts????
 

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I think TT is going to totally go against the grain this year in the draft. ... trading away some picks to move up in different spots to grab some top players that are ready to contribute right away. Thoughts????
I agree, he'll trade his whole draft to move up to about #5 and get Geno. He'll tell Rodgers to get his big fat paycheck from someone else. He then takes MM & the guys out for a walleye tournament. On Monday after the draft he reports to the psych ward for evaluation. On Wed Packers announce his retirement for "health" reasons.
 

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Here are the top 5 3-4 DE's according to Mike Mayock (I think he is the best draft expert in the biz)
1. Star Lotulelei, Utah
2. Margus Hunt, SMU
3. Datone Jones, UCLA
4. Jesse Williams, Alabama
5. William Gholston, Michigan State
Remember 2009.
At this point in time in 2009, Matthews was a 2nd or 3rd Rd prospect who didn't even start a full season at USC.
Even on Draft Day, he was considered by most to be a "reach" as a first Rd pick. I know for a fact most Packer fans wanted other OLB's instead of him that year.

Margus Hunt may also be considered a "reach" by most of us.

But do not for a moment think that Teddy won't grab him at #26 if he likes him. He will take a guy higher than most have him if he wants him. Justin Harrell, Mike Neal, Alex Green, James Jones are 4 others I can think of. Jerron McMillian too.... he was a "who the hell is he" pick last year.

Hunt has plenty of room to easily add 10-20 Lbs of pure muscle. He hasn't bulked up yet at all.
There's only one JJ Watt. But this guy could follow a very similar path based on his ability shown so far.... remember he just started playing this game in 2009. He's had games where he dominated, like their bowl game, vs Johnny Football and Texas A&M this year
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Here is a GREAT PIECE on Hunt to digest.

Here are a few things on MARGUS HUNT to chew on:

6' 8"
277
4.62 at the combine
38 Bench
34 1/2 vertical
7.07 3-cone
4.51 shuttle

12/25/12 - SMU coach June Jones walked out of Aloha Stadium with another win Saturday, thanks largely to a disruptive performance by defensive end Margus Hunt that set the tone for the Mustangs' 43-10 win over Fresno State in the Hawaii Bowl. Hunt, the 6-foot-8 senior from Estonia with an 82-inch wing span, forced two fumbles that led to field goals and sacked Derek Carr for a safety as SMU (7-6) built a 22-0 halftime lead and never looked back.

02/27/13 - TOP 10 COMPELLING NFL COMBINE STORY LINES: 6. Margus Hunt is a officially a Freak. The Estonian track star-turned SMU D-lineman, as expected, wowed scouts by clocking an eye-popping 4.60 40 at 6-8, 277 pounds and did 38 reps on the bench at 225. He also broad jumped 10-1 and had a vertical of 38 inches. Last spring when I did the annual Freaks list, Hunt's mentor, SMU track coach Dave Wollman, predicted Hunt would run a 4.60, which is exactly what the guy ran. The real question for Hunt is can he play with leverage to be more than a kick-blocking specialist in the NFL? (He blocked an NCAA record 10 field goals.) Hunt continued to develop at SMU and did have a career-high 11.5 TFLs and eight sacks as a senior. Stay tuned. - Bruce Feldman, CBSSports.com
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=103696&draftyear=2013&genpos=DE



Overall:
Margus Hunt is undoubtedly one of the most naturally gifted prospects in this class. He has quickness and speed you look for. He has tremendous length to the tune of 17 career blocked kicks. He is deceptively strong when playing from 5 or 3 technique positions. Hunt came to the United States from his native Estonia to join the track and field team at SMU. Soon after he joined the football team and began learning the gridiron game. He only has four years of playing experience and will turn 26 before fall camp. He’s the definition of a developmental player as a result. Hunt has all the tools to get the job done, but needs to simply learn the game still and become a more experienced player. Despite that, his technique is surprisingly good. He was utilized at many different spots across the defensive line at SMU as well. Hunt had numerous games where he absolutely took over and dominated throughout and others where he was almost invisible. His best fit is as a 5 technique in a 3-4 scheme, where he can be molded into the spot whether it’s two or one gapping. As he develops, he can be used as a situational pass rusher to wreak havoc from the inside. His incredibly high upside should get his named call no later the second round. Just know that with Margus Hunt comes a high ceiling and an equally low floor.
http://pagefootballscouting.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/margus-hunt-scouting-report/


Overall:
Hunt is the classic high “upside” pick. He has a frame that is rare for defensive plays and is really a tremendous natural athlete. Hunt hasn’t been able to convert all that athleticism and agility to the football field yet. He flashes explosive pass rush potential off the edge as he can cover a lot of ground and close on the QB quickly. But, everything he does he does in spurts. Hunt will look dominate one game and disappear the next.
Offers position versatility as he can play 5-technique and 3-Tech in rush situations. In the NFL he will likely be used as a sub-package rusher initially as he is a liability in the run game vs. smaller more physical OL. Hunt has a fascinating background and has a possibly Olympic throwing career to fall back on.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/02/margus-hunt-scouting-report.html

Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
Height: 6-8. Weight: 277. Arm: 33 3/8. Hand: 9 5/8
40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2013): 1-2.

3/2/13: The senior started out poorly in 2012 with a bad game against Baylor. He played better after that, including quality showings against Texas A&M, Houston, Southern Miss and TCU. Hunt was a force in SMU's bowl game, picking up two sacks and two forced fumbles. He had 31 tackles, eight sacks, an interception, two passes batted and three blocked kicks in 2012.

Hunt's technique in run defense and executing pass-rushing moves has really improved, but he is still extremely raw. Hunt flashed at times at the Senior Bowl, yet needs some more development for the next level. He could turn into a perfect 3-4 defensive end in the mold of Justin Smith.

Hunt used the Combine to put on a tremendous display of strength, speed and athleticism. He tied for the the bench press lead with 38 reps and ran a lightning 40 time. Hunt gave further proof that he is a freak athlete.

8/27/12: Hunt is a physical freak. The Karksi-Nuia, Estonia product is a raw player who really came on strong at the end of his junior season. He recorded all three of his sacks for 2011 against Pittsburgh in the Bowl game. Hunt also had 28 tackles with 7.5 tackles for a loss. He totaled 5.5 sacks across his freshman and sophomore seasons.

Hunt uses his height to be a dangerous weapon on special teams. He blocked seven kicks as a freshman, three kicks as a sophomore and four kicks as a junior. It is entirely possible that the senior could end his college career with nearly 20 blocked kicks. Hunt may be best as a five-technique defensive end in a 3-4 defense for the NFL.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013DE3-4.php
Most signs point to this guy being Teddy's pick at #26, if he's still there.
You draft on what you think they'll be in the NFL, not what they were in college.
This guy has special potential.
 

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I consider Hunt a reach at #26 only because he'll be 26 years old at week 1.
 

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HELL NO. Hunt is 26, is absolutely ignorant of the word leverage, and disappeared against mediocre talent. Looks like Tarzan, plays like a monkey. He has a strong T&F background, so of course his combine was good. His SeniorBowl was far more telling. Wouldn't touch the shotputter with a stick before the 3rd, the guy has BUST written all over him.
 

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I consider Hunt a reach at #26 only because he'll be 26 years old at week 1.

HELL NO. Hunt is 26, is absolutely ignorant of the word leverage, and disappeared against mediocre talent. Looks like Tarzan, plays like a monkey. He has a strong T&F background, so of course his combine was good. His SeniorBowl was far more telling. Wouldn't touch the shotputter with a stick before the 3rd, the guy has BUST written all over him.

There's no need to be so ******* Margus Hunt's agent.
 

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