2026 Roster Thread - Semi-Live

[GreenBaySlacker]

In truth...one that gets a hole to run through...the length of the long one factors in somewhat to their speed but still... LOL


As for the edge question I don't know why chasing down Christian Watson (CW) in practice is a priority LOL (had to)

I was thinking. That speed RB, we aren’t going to have on the roster, because GB has been fielding nothing but 220+ bruisers for a while now.

But what we do have is a speedy return specialist in sky moore. And the secret weapon of all secret weapons. 4.28 40 running Mathew golden.

GB like fielding players who can play multiple positions. Who’s to say Golden can’t sit 7 yards back, and spread the defense by giving us a spread RB option? And if it’s a pass play, we literally have a 5th receiver coming out of the backfield. That delay and mismatch could become a Marshall Faulk type of unstoppable force.

I guess the real problem is durability. Can the speedy golden avoid the direct hits. Some of those super fast dudes have a way of always avoiding the big hits.

 

[milani]

I was thinking. That speed RB, we aren’t going to have on the roster, because GB has been fielding nothing but 220+ bruisers for a while now.

But what we do have is a speedy return specialist in sky moore. And the secret weapon of all secret weapons. 4.28 40 running Mathew golden.

GB like fielding players who can play multiple positions. Who’s to say Golden can’t sit 7 yards back, and spread the defense by giving us a spread RB option? And if it’s a pass play, we literally have a 5th receiver coming out of the backfield. That delay and mismatch could become a Marshall Faulk type of unstoppable force.

I guess the real problem is durability. Can the speedy golden avoid the direct hits. Some of those super fast dudes have a way of always avoiding the big hits.

Jerry Rice comes to mind at avoiding hits.

 

[tynimiller]

I was thinking. That speed RB, we aren’t going to have on the roster, because GB has been fielding nothing but 220+ bruisers for a while now.

But what we do have is a speedy return specialist in sky moore. And the secret weapon of all secret weapons. 4.28 40 running Mathew golden.

GB like fielding players who can play multiple positions. Who’s to say Golden can’t sit 7 yards back, and spread the defense by giving us a spread RB option? And if it’s a pass play, we literally have a 5th receiver coming out of the backfield. That delay and mismatch could become a Marshall Faulk type of unstoppable force.

I guess the real problem is durability. Can the speedy golden avoid the direct hits. Some of those super fast dudes have a way of always avoiding the big hits.

Lloyd can with his explosion get past defenders fast and even if his long speed isn't like a 4.3 level guy, it will take a TON and the proper line of attack to make up for him bursting past.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Also, an after thought kind of gave up on the idea of CB Diggs coming to GB on a similar incentive deal...
You think he is done? Or just too expensive at the time ?

I think the Packers got a really good look at Diggs and didn't like what they saw. I say this because he was in for only 1 play of the Packers playoff game against the Bears. He was in for 33 plays the week before against the Vikings in a meaningless game. I also think that if the Packers wanted Diggs back, they would have negotiated a new deal with him by now.

I don't really know what happened to Diggs, a guy that came into the league like gang busters and looked like a potential future hall of famer. Might be the injuries he suffered, the big contract or a combination of those 2 things, as well as others. I just don't think teams feel like they will get the Diggs that was once a phenomenal CB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Lloyd can with his explosion get past defenders fast and even if his long speed isn't like a 4.3 level guy, it will take a TON and the proper line of attack to make up for him bursting past.

Hard to do though when you are soaking in the hot tub.

 

[tynimiller]

Hard to do though when you are soaking in the hot tub.

The question wasn't if he can from the tub though lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The question wasn't if he can from the tub though lol

Right, but until he actually plays, it's all conjecture. Because if we go off of his 6 actual NFL carries, we are talking about a total of 15 yds, 2.5/carry and a long of 5 yds. I can almost do that from my couch!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well....if the Packers are working on a new deal with Kraft, the $$'s may have just gone up. The Falcons gave TE Kyle Pitts a 3 yr. $18M/year extension.

 

[tynimiller]

Right, but until he actually plays, it's all conjecture. Because if we go off of his 6 actual NFL carries, we are talking about a total of 15 yds, 2.5/carry and a long of 5 yds. I can almost do that from my couch!

This isn't true. I knew Golden was fast before he ever touched the ball in an NFL jersey based on tons of film. Watson same...I knew Tom had some of the most sound foot techniques of a rookie OL that would transfer most likely...

Lloyd is an explosive player when playing, that isn't conjecture it is fact. The question isn't whether he is or isn't, the question is to what degree is he at the NFL level.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This isn't true. I knew Golden was fast before he ever touched the ball in an NFL jersey based on tons of film. Watson same...I knew Tom had some of the most sound foot techniques of a rookie OL that would transfer most likely...

Lloyd is an explosive player when playing, that isn't conjecture it is fact. The question isn't whether he is or isn't, the question is to what degree is he at the NFL level

Yup. I heard a lot of glowing things about Amari Rodgers, Josiah Deguara and Jace Sternberger. The problem is, they and 1,000's of other guys, never made the expected impact in the NFL that scouts, fans and coaches thought that they would.

I get it, the film on Lloyd in college is fun to watch, but until he actually gets on the field and does some of those same things, none of it matters, in this, his 3rd year in the NFL.

 

[tynimiller]

Right, but until he actually plays, it's all conjecture. Because if we go off of his 6 actual NFL carries, we are talking about a total of 15 yds, 2.5/carry and a long of 5 yds. I can almost do that from my couch!

Nothing about my statement was derived from his NFL film

 

[tynimiller]

Yup. I heard a lot of glowing things about Amari Rodgers, Josiah Deguara and Jace Sternberger. The problem is, they and 1,000's of other guys, never made the expected impact in the NFL that scouts, fans and coaches thought that they would.

I get it, the film on Lloyd in college is fun to watch, but until he actually gets on the field and does some of those same things, none of it matters, in this, his 3rd year in the NFL.

The Amari Rodgers statements however were quite different in the sense that Amari always was the type of guy that had to have the offense manufacture his touches. At the NFL level this cannot be depended upon so much. I also still argue that Rodgers like many it was a discipline issue.

Jace was a victim of literally being able to do NOTHING a TE is asked today except run and catch. LOL

The posed topic again was who is capable of busting a big run - Lloyd absolutely has the ability, that is different than saying he will.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nothing about my statement was derived from his NFL film

I hope not, but then again, it would have only taken you a minute to watch his entire NFL film.

 

[OldSchool101]

Lloyd can with his explosion get past defenders fast and even if his long speed isn't like a 4.3 level guy, it will take a TON and the proper line of attack to make up for him bursting past.

It’s interesting but Lloyd does lack pure straight line, home run speed. Yet he’s similar to Josh in that getting in the open field allows them to use elite maneuvers and strength to speed conversion. A <210lb DB is a total mismatch for Lloyd or Jacobs in the open field. The result might not be John Taylor, but they’ll leave us 1st n Goal and if that’s hard to stop if the OL gets clicking. Too many 220lb+ short power-burst options in GB to stop on goal line. Especially Josh he’s always good for +1

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jaguars extend TE Brenton Strange. 3 year, $48M, $25M guaranteed.

Andy Herman's prediction for Tucker Kraft's new contract:

4 year, $76.5, $36M guaranteed

Andy also goes over what he thinks are the Packers Under-the-Radar 53-Man Roster Candidates.

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[GreenBaySlacker]

Barry Sanders was 5'7 5/8 203 at draft. Ran a 4.41
Marshawn Lloyd is 5'8 3/4, at 220, running a 4.46

Pretty comparable on stature.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I think the Packers got a really good look at Diggs and didn't like what they saw. I say this because he was in for only 1 play of the Packers playoff game against the Bears. He was in for 33 plays the week before against the Vikings in a meaningless game. I also think that if the Packers wanted Diggs back, they would have negotiated a new deal with him by now.

I don't really know what happened to Diggs, a guy that came into the league like gang busters and looked like a potential future hall of famer. Might be the injuries he suffered, the big contract or a combination of those 2 things, as well as others. I just don't think teams feel like they will get the Diggs that was once a phenomenal CB.

I dont know. Playoff, vs meaningless game? That leaves things in a gray area imo... GB doesn't give anyone a free ride. We had to go with players who earned their stripes. Out of principle I'm sure. Insurance.

I think Diggs $20 mil a year, vs the $5m/yr we want to give him, is the real hurdle . Surely he will hold out for more until the last minute before he has to decide if he is going to play this year, or sit on the free agent list waiting for a team desperate enough to pay him more.

I definitely think it's possible though, that he didn't impress while he was here and wasn't up to speed. Creating this huge gap in perceived value.

Maybe GB doesn't want his personality here creating unrest for Parsons and our young secondary.

Anyways. Another legit #1/#2 CB added to our group, would be better imo. We seem to have like 4- #2s, and no #1s....

Honestly, I think we need to save the money and hold it to resign Kraft and Cooper.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I dont know. Playoff, vs meaningless game? That leaves things in a gray area imo... GB doesn't give anyone a free ride. We had to go with players who earned their stripes. Out of principle I'm sure. Insurance.

I think Diggs $20 mil a year, vs the $5m/yr we want to give him, is the real hurdle . Surely he will hold out for more until the last minute before he has to decide if he is going to play this year, or sit on the free agent list waiting for a team desperate enough to pay him more.

I definitely think it's possible though, that he didn't impress while he was here and wasn't up to speed. Creating this huge gap in perceived value.

Maybe GB doesn't want his personality here creating unrest for Parsons and our young secondary.

Anyways. Another legit #1/#2 CB added to our group, would be better imo. We seem to have like 4- #2s, and no #1s....

Honestly, I think we need to save the money and hold it to resign Kraft and Cooper.

Given that there was no way that the Packers were going to honor the rest of Diggs contract with the Cowboys (after 2025), they picked him up off of waivers for a tryout and playoff depth/insurance. That insurance and tryout cost them $531,045 for Diggs to play in 1 meaningless game and basically watch from the sidelines in the playoffs.

I think had Diggs showed something in the Viking game and the practices leading up to the playoff game against the Bears, he gets more than 1 snap in a very meaningful playoff game. He didn't, as expected, the Packers cut him and there has been no rumbling of them resigning Diggs. I would also point to what they did in Free agency (signing St. Juste) and the draft (Cisse and Jackson) as to the final evidence that Diggs won't be back in Green Bay.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think our CB room is a response to the area we chose to balance the Books $ with Parsons contract. There has to be an offset somewhere.

Carrington is the most volatile contractually. If what I’m seeing is correct he’s a $3.7Mil savings if he’s Cut or traded Post June. I’m not sure he’s even worth that $. I’d almost prefer to swap him out for an upgrade even if we had to add a couple $Mil$ for a chance to do that. I’d rather pay Nixon $6mil or whatever to be CB2.

I’ll admit I have no idea what we’re thinking at CB. Could be we’re just rolling with our current grouping. We do have reserves to watch and see and bolster that position before trade deadline, in particular in any of our top 3-4 CB’s miss any time. That October timeframe is an area we’d only eat some prorated parts of an existing deal and it makes it cheap to get a partial year + potential playoffs included.

 

[tynimiller]

I think our CB room is a response to the area we chose to balance the Books $ with Parsons contract. There has to be an offset somewhere.

Carrington is the most volatile contractually. If what I’m seeing is correct he’s a $3.7Mil savings if he’s Cut or traded Post June. I’m not sure he’s even worth that $. I’d almost prefer to swap him out for an upgrade even if we had to add a couple $Mil$ for a chance to do that. I’d rather pay Nixon $6mil or whatever to be CB2.

I’ll admit I have no idea what we’re thinking at CB. Could be we’re just rolling with our current grouping. We do have reserves to watch and see and bolster that position before trade deadline, in particular in any of our top 3-4 CB’s miss any time. That October timeframe is an area we’d only eat some prorated parts of an existing deal and it makes it cheap to get a partial year + potential playoffs included.

Valentine and Nixon have been serviceable to the same degree, Nixon makes more splash plays but Valentine is the better down to down coverage guy....with bricks for hands. They added Juste, who was one of the better graded corners last year and drafted Cisse....the room is for sure better or should be....we shall see if it is. Zero reason to walk from either Nixon or Valentine, and everyone knows I'm not a Nixon fan at all but his cost is piddly and when he plays to his potential he is a sure CB2....Valentine essentially a repeat of the same but without any chance of an INT with his hands.

 

[OldSchool101]

Valentine and Nixon have been serviceable to the same degree, Nixon makes more splash plays but Valentine is the better down to down coverage guy....with bricks for hands. They added Juste, who was one of the better graded corners last year and drafted Cisse....the room is for sure better or should be....we shall see if it is. Zero reason to walk from either Nixon or Valentine, and everyone knows I'm not a Nixon fan at all but his cost is piddly and when he plays to his potential he is a sure CB2....Valentine essentially a repeat of the same but without any chance of an INT with his hands.

He can only catch an INT 37 yards downfield on 4th Down when the Turnover on Downs leaves us in opponent territory.
Truthfully he’s a mediocre boundary Cover CB, but his tackling has really been horrific level. One thing that Coach Bullock made clear recently was he wasn’t going to excuse poor tackling. Something’s going to give. It’s a coin flip Valentine gets beat out. Maybe leaning in his favor but if I were Carrington I’d be stressing tackling drills until Midnight.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Well....if the Packers are working on a new deal with Kraft, the $$'s may have just gone up. The Falcons gave TE Kyle Pitts a 3 yr. $18M/year extension.

I seen that. But the ACL has to factor in some, don't you think? I mean Kraft wasn't even a break out star last year at this time.
Are we sure he is going to come back and continue that trajectory?

 

[mradtke66]

I seen that. But the ACL has to factor in some, don't you think? I mean Kraft wasn't even a break out star last year at this time.
Are we sure he is going to come back and continue that trajectory?

We aren’t, but there is risk either way.

Packers sign him now. Risk is he doesn’t live up to the new deal or isn’t ready as soon as we’d like. The upside is having a know cost.

Packers take a wait and see approach. Kraft potentially goes off. Price tag either goes up higher OR he takes it personally and refuses to re-sign Ala Devante Adams.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

We aren’t, but there is risk either way.

Packers sign him now. Risk is he doesn’t live up to the new deal or isn’t ready as soon as we’d like. The upside is having a know cost.

Packers take a wait and see approach. Kraft potentially goes off. Price tag either goes up higher OR he takes it personally and refuses to re-sign Ala Devante Adams.

I'm starting to think waiting is a better idea.
The reasoning is, we have-

-Reed contracted through 2029
-Watson contracted through 2030.
-Golden contracted through 2029 with 2030 5th year option.

Now I know the goal is to put as much talent on the field as possible. But honestly. Is it worth having three #1 WRs if we can't get them more than 5 touches a game each on average? GB is notorious for spreading the ball around. But that's usually because we have 5 wrs all at different stages of development, who haven't commanded the #1 spot, or been able to stay healthy. Seems like right now we have 3x. #1s and all they need is touches. We will dominate defenses.

Dont get me wrong, I love Kraft. He is pure bred corn fed. But... That ACL. And the fact we don't really need him as a target. In fact his targets will be taking away the #1s targets. And I'm honestly not sure that's a good idea at this point.

My original thought was to offer him a year extension for $12mil. Give him a year more to prove he is back 100% and able to continue his trajectory. If after next year he is the tucker Kraft we all hope he is. Then we can give him the $20m/yr on a 4 year extension.

Another reason for that is to offset the turn over when all those #1 WRs contracts are up in 2029/30. Kraft being contracted for 5 years after this year(1 year prove it extension, and 4 year big extension) will end in 2032, and he could be our stabilizer during the transition of replacing the WRs who don't get resigned.

If he doesn't take it. Let him walk. Honestly, we have only had that star TE 8 games. I know for fact we can live without him if things don't go our way.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We aren’t, but there is risk either way.

Packers sign him now. Risk is he doesn’t live up to the new deal or isn’t ready as soon as we’d like. The upside is having a know cost.

Packers take a wait and see approach. Kraft potentially goes off. Price tag either goes up higher OR he takes it personally and refuses to re-sign Ala Devante Adams.

Agree. I guess from recent history, unless it is a career threatening injury or the same injury over and over, teams don't seem to care too much about single injuries like this happening to star players, when it comes to new contracts. Whether that is a good thing or not, it is sort of baked into the new NFL. If you aren't willing to give your star player the guaranteed money, then another team will. Kraft and his agent are going to value him fully healthy and at his peak production. They will also throw in a line like "and he will be even better over the next 4 years, thus we want him compensated for that."

If I am an NFL GM and I have a top player at his position, in his final contract year, I may try to give him a new deal. However, if it is more than I want to spend, then I would actually rather trade said player for top value. It would suck for the Packers to not have Kraft in 2026, but it would suck even more to see him walk in Free Agency and getting nothing but a possible comp pick in exchange.

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