2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread <closed>

[mradtke66]

I realize he must know the plays. But he must not be that good if can't even stay on the practice squad. Why not try someone else out there?

Let's do that math. If you sign a player to your practice squad, he's not on a practice squad or active roster. Assuming each team has 9 OL on the roster and 2 practice squad, and giving the NFL the benefit of the doubt that there isn't a diamond in the rough sitting on couch somewhere, the best this player could be is the 353rd lineman in the league.

I'd rather have #360 who knows how to break the huddle, knows his assignment, and be terrible vs. #353 who doesn't know how to break the huddle, doesn't know his assignment, and is still terrible.

 

[gopkrs]

Let's do that math. If you sign a player to your practice squad, he's not on a practice squad or active roster. Assuming each team has 9 OL on the roster and 2 practice squad, and giving the NFL the benefit of the doubt that there isn't a diamond in the rough sitting on couch somewhere, the best this player could be is the 353rd lineman in the league.

I'd rather have #360 who knows how to break the huddle, knows his assignment, and be terrible vs. #353 who doesn't know how to break the huddle, doesn't know his assignment, and is still terrible.

I think I agree

 

[OldSchool101]

The fact Smith made a Top 150 list and was drafted in RD6 is promising. Often these guys will literally be UDFA #385 etc. Smith played 5 years of college Football and is now in his 4th season. He actually has 3 Starts and has appeared in quite a few games. In his 3 game stretch as a Rookie he graded low. 44.8%. His cumulative grade in GB was a 58.1% (about middle to upper middle of the field) However, when moved to Center for GB vs Colts, He graded 75.7%. The Colts were easily the best of the 3 teams we played PS.

Interestingly enough. He played mostly LG in College. However several Scouting reports thought he would excel at OC because of his traits matching that position. Not some surprise we played him at Center some and he did good. His reports says he’s not going to succumb to a Bull Rush at 6’3.5” 315lb. He’s also pretty clever at recognizing Stunts and adjusting. He’s not an ideal Run Blocker, but he was very consistently good at Pass Block. One scout said he was Run Block trainable and saw glimpses of him doing fine as a pulling blocker.

Again. People in the past tags have taken this as “I think he’s horrible” or
“I think he’s an All Pro” I’m just passing information it’s not my blessing or endorsement on the player. I’m just delivering the mail it’s not my fault all your mail are Bills and Debt Collectors!

 

[Voyageur]

To everyone who realized this would be Lukas Van Ness' coming out party, you can smile. He's turning into a real dynamite player out there. In fact there are those around the league who are saying he's on his way to a Pro Bowl season.

The ability was there, it was just a matter of him learning the dynamics of the NFL and figuring out how to insure he's running downhill as often as possible.

 

[OldSchool101]

To everyone who realized this would be Lukas Van Ness' coming out party, you can smile. He's turning into a real dynamite player out there. In fact there are those around the league who are saying he's on his way to a Pro Bowl season.

The ability was there, it was just a matter of him learning the dynamics of the NFL and figuring out how to insure he's running downhill as often as possible.

So far this Defense has played exceptionally well together. Lukas overall PFF grade has him in the top 76% tile (36/155) of all Edge Rushers. What’s also impressive is he’s been doing it from multiple angles across the DL. Also he’s had a modest amount of snaps, but taking advantage. He has the 12th most Solo Tackles (8) which speaks to his hustle.

Kingsley “JJ” Enagbare is grading out in the 81% tile (#29/155) among Edge players. He’s quitely having a really solid year.

Rashan Gary is grading slightly above average on an overall grade. However he possesses a dynamic feel, ranking #2 in the League in Sacks (4) and #8 in Stops (8) and #16 in pressures (13).

We’re about to get another injection on Depth on Defense in the coming several weeks. Oliver will be eligible against the Bengals and Cox Jr eligible for Arizona. I’m anxious to see Oliver get ramped up, that kid is a heat seeking missile of disruption.

 

[OldSchool101]

What Happened to MarShawn Lloyd? A Look at the Packers RB’s Injury and Absence in Week 4

MarShawn Lloyd remains sidelined with hamstring issues while Josh Jacobs carries a heavy workload for the Packers heading into the Cowboys matchup.

www.profootballnetwork.com

Will be interested to see his status of recovery. This weekend is now 6 calendar weeks and his first potential game (Cincinnati) would be 8 calendar weeks from the Colts preseason injury. Might almost be best to give him the max allowable time which puts him practicing after 8+ calendar weeks mark.

 

[Voyageur]

So far this Defense has played exceptionally well together. Lukas overall PFF grade has him in the top 76% tile (36/155) of all Edge Rushers. What’s also impressive is he’s been doing it from multiple angles across the DL. Also he’s had a modest amount of snaps, but taking advantage. He has the 12th most Solo Tackles (8) which speaks to his hustle.

Kingsley “JJ” Enagbare is grading out in the 81% tile (#29/155) among Edge players. He’s quitely having a really solid year.

Rashan Gary is grading slightly above average on an overall grade. However he possesses a dynamic feel, ranking #2 in the League in Sacks (4) and #8 in Stops (8) and #16 in pressures (13).

We’re about to get another injection on Depth on Defense in the coming several weeks. Oliver will be eligible against the Bengals and Cox Jr eligible for Arizona. I’m anxious to see Oliver get ramped up, that kid is a heat seeking missile of disruption.

Lukas being worked out in the middle during preseason appears to have been part of a plan where he and Parsons would become moving parts, moving across the second level of the defense and up to the line in a way as to create mismatches for them to make plays. It's working.

Like some of us said from the start, Lukas is an athlete and as such can do much more than play a stationary position in football. He's showing it and its complementary play to that of Parsons which makes them pretty darned special.

Their game will only get better together as the season wears on.

 

[tynimiller]

To everyone who realized this would be Lukas Van Ness' coming out party, you can smile. He's turning into a real dynamite player out there. In fact there are those around the league who are saying he's on his way to a Pro Bowl season.

The ability was there, it was just a matter of him learning the dynamics of the NFL and figuring out how to insure he's running downhill as often as possible.

He closed out 2024 really freaking good and many missed how well he was controlling his matchups, collapsing pocket and containing. His physical gifts have always been there and finally the maturation of the game itself is catching up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Really good news coming out of Green Bay.

According to Wes Hodkiewicz of the team's official site, the Packers returned starting right tackle Zach Tom and starting left guard Aaron Banks to practice on Monday, and the team designated both receiver Christian Watson (PUP) and offensive lineman Jacob Monk (IR) for return, opening their 21-day practice windows.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I did not realize the following, but now it totally explains to me why the Packers didn't pick up Quay Walkers 5th year option. Seems the NFL is putting way too much value on that 5th year option for ILB's. Why? Because "off-ball linebackers are not separated from edge defenders listed as outside linebackers. That creates an anomaly, where true off-ball linebackers' numbers are artificially inflated."

This seems like such an easy fix, so why hasn't the NFL and the NFLPA fixed this?

Packers aren't the only team paying the price for an outdated NFL rule that refuses to go away

The Green Bay Packers wanted to keep linebacker Quay Walker, but not everything is easy and goes as planned in the NFL. And thanks to an outdated and obsolete league rule, the Packers are not the only team affected by an unfortunate situation. Now, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going through the ...

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Next Question. Are the Packers stashing RB MarShawn Lloyd?

He suffered his hamstring injury on Aug. 16, almost two months ago. It’s rare for soft-tissue injuries to take this long to recover.

Is there no rush since Wilson has been playing really well as the #2 RB and Brooks is a very capable #3?

Don't get me wrong, as long as they are playing by the rules, I see no reason why they need to rush Lloyd back. Also, given his injury history, if we don't need him, let him heal for a full year and be ready in 2026.

 

[tynimiller]

I did not realize the following, but now it totally explains to me why the Packers didn't pick up Quay Walkers 5th year option. Seems the NFL is putting way too much value on that 5th year option for ILB's. Why? Because "off-ball linebackers are not separated from edge defenders listed as outside linebackers. That creates an anomaly, where true off-ball linebackers' numbers are artificially inflated."

This seems like such an easy fix, so why hasn't the NFL and the NFLPA fixed this?

Packers aren't the only team paying the price for an outdated NFL rule that refuses to go away

The Green Bay Packers wanted to keep linebacker Quay Walker, but not everything is easy and goes as planned in the NFL. And thanks to an outdated and obsolete league rule, the Packers are not the only team affected by an unfortunate situation. Now, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going through the ...

sports.yahoo.com

A contact of mine said the issue is the use of guys like Micah muddying the waters and teams would argue for a Parsons type guy to be considerd ILB not OLB....to me and to him, it should be as simple as in the time completed in their first three seasons where did the majority of snap alignment occur - and that dictate it.

 

[Voyageur]

I did not realize the following, but now it totally explains to me why the Packers didn't pick up Quay Walkers 5th year option. Seems the NFL is putting way too much value on that 5th year option for ILB's. Why? Because "off-ball linebackers are not separated from edge defenders listed as outside linebackers. That creates an anomaly, where true off-ball linebackers' numbers are artificially inflated."

This seems like such an easy fix, so why hasn't the NFL and the NFLPA fixed this?

Packers aren't the only team paying the price for an outdated NFL rule that refuses to go away

The Green Bay Packers wanted to keep linebacker Quay Walker, but not everything is easy and goes as planned in the NFL. And thanks to an outdated and obsolete league rule, the Packers are not the only team affected by an unfortunate situation. Now, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going through the ...

sports.yahoo.com

Despite all the money they work with, and the salaries being paid, the people running the show on an industry wide basis obviously have some weaknesses in their ability to distinguish anomalies in their work and it's to the tune of millions of dollars in payments to the wrong positions. Then you look at the Elgton Jenkins situation, moving him to center. He's not doing well whereas at guard he was a darned good player. Two things enter the picture in my mind. He's getting paid guard/tackle money and playing a position where they'd more than likely want to low-ball him with salary next year, so for Jenkins, where's the urgency to do well? I doubt very much that he has that team first mentality this year and I don't blame him. The pay scale between positions sucks. He'd be better off as a free agent at the end of the year so he can move back to guard, or even tackle.

This whole positional structure of value is really out of whack in my opinion. They've relegated great RBs to salaries that are in the range of some of the better back up QBs in the league and that's preposterous.

 

[tynimiller]

Apologies I'm behind updating this....doing so now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

to me and to him, it should be as simple as in the time completed in their first three seasons where did the majority of snap alignment occur - and that dictate it.

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Yup, it isn't rocket science at all, yet, they stick to their excuses and archaic ways. Sometimes I think the NFLPA and in part, NFL owners, don't want fans to start thinking about equating salaries with performance. They prefer that Fans just keeping funneling in the money by watching/attending games and buying all the Merch.

Here is another thought, pay players for what they actually do (not did) on the field, not what they or others did in the past, or where they stand on the field in relation to the line of scrimmage.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Apologies I'm behind updating this....doing so now.

Don't worry, we fired you a couple of pages ago!

J/K my friend, we appreciate your work.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I did not realize the following, but now it totally explains to me why the Packers didn't pick up Quay Walkers 5th year option. Seems the NFL is putting way too much value on that 5th year option for ILB's. Why? Because "off-ball linebackers are not separated from edge defenders listed as outside linebackers. That creates an anomaly, where true off-ball linebackers' numbers are artificially inflated."

This seems like such an easy fix, so why hasn't the NFL and the NFLPA fixed this?

Packers aren't the only team paying the price for an outdated NFL rule that refuses to go away

The Green Bay Packers wanted to keep linebacker Quay Walker, but not everything is easy and goes as planned in the NFL. And thanks to an outdated and obsolete league rule, the Packers are not the only team affected by an unfortunate situation. Now, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going through the ...

sports.yahoo.com

I know this has been discussed before as the reason for not giving him the 5th year. I'm not good at searching, but it's here somewhere.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I know this has been discussed before as the reason for not giving him the 5th year. I'm not good at searching, but it's here somewhere.

Oh no doubt and either I missed it or forgot about it. Long story short, it was "new" news for me today.

 

[tynimiller]

Here is another thought, pay players for what they actually do (not did) on the field, not what they or others did in the past, or where they stand on the field in relation to the line of scrimmage.

We've discussed this to ad nauseum....it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do this salary cap wise. You'd have zero ability to know what was going to happen, if a team could cover the cost....if they would be under the cap.....it would be insane.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We've discussed this to ad nauseum....it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do this salary cap wise. You'd have zero ability to know what was going to happen, if a team could cover the cost....if they would be under the cap.....it would be insane.

In todays modern world, nothing is impossible my friend. Yes, the cap situation would have to be rethought out completely, but lets first start by peeling away all that guaranteed unearned money.

It will never happen, but not because of the perceived difficulty of figuring out a new way of doing it, but because the NFLPA would never agree to it.

 

[OldSchool101]

Oh no doubt and either I missed it or forgot about it. Long story short, it was "new" news for me today.

I told my Wife that if I ever get real bad Alzheimer’s help me with just 1 thing. Put an oversized article clipping of my favorite sports team winning their last Championship by my bedside so that I can continually regurgitate and relive the Win over and over

 

[gopkrs]

Next Question. Are the Packers stashing RB MarShawn Lloyd?

He suffered his hamstring injury on Aug. 16, almost two months ago. It’s rare for soft-tissue injuries to take this long to recover.

Is there no rush since Wilson has been playing really well as the #2 RB and Brooks is a very capable #3?

Don't get me wrong, as long as they are playing by the rules, I see no reason why they need to rush Lloyd back. Also, given his injury history, if we don't need him, let him heal for a full year and be ready in 2026.

sometimes they don't recover. I had high hopes for D'Onofrio back when.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

sometimes they don't recover. I had high hopes for D'Onofrio back when.

Mark D'Onofrio? Didn't he play for the Packers in like the early 90's?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I told my Wife that if I ever get real bad Alzheimer’s help me with just 1 thing. Put an oversized article clipping of my favorite sports team winning their last Championship by my bedside so that I can continually regurgitate and relive the Win over and over

Excuse me, who are you? Wait, where am I on the net?

 

[gopkrs]

Mark D'Onofrio? Didn't he play for the Packers in like the early 90's?

He was a linebacker. 2nd round pick. I loved the way he played in pre-season. Pulled a hamstring and never played again. Never played regular season. I think he was from Penn State and ended up coaching college somewhere.