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So when McManus is healthy and ready to kick again, what do you do with Lucas Havrisik? The guy has kicked 8 times, 4 XP, 4 FG's, and made all 8. Include the 61 yarder and well, we have a real kicking conundrum, but in a good way.

Is their a market to trade Havrisik? Get a 6th or 7th for him? I just don't think he survives a cut and clearing of waivers so that we can try and put him back on our PS. Even if he clears waivers, another team can offer him a sweeter deal to be on their PS.

McManus is just too consistent and too good to even consider trading.

Do you roll the dice and carry 2 kickers on the 53? But I guess to what ends? So that you have the same "problem" next season? Not to mention Lucas Havrisik will be a Free agent after this season.

Anyway, it is a good problem to have, but one that Gute and the Packers have to be thinking about and possibly getting the word out to other teams that Lucas Havrisik might be on the trade block soon.

Ideally, maybe you package him with another player or draft pick, and trade for a quality CB.
McManus is under contract. If this was just over a year ago we would have signed Luke and never looked back.
Who needs a kicker? The Giants lost a game yesterday they should have won. 2 missed PATS especially with one at the end. We have to play them. Wish we could trade for a DB.
 
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McManus is under contract. If this was just over a year ago we would have signed Luke and never looked back.
Who needs a kicker? The Giants lost a game yesterday they should have won. 2 missed PATS especially with one at the end. We have to play them. Wish we could trade for a DB.

Look up a post or two...if Giants pick up the move now would be their hot wide CB Flott who is playing well above his norm this year.
 

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So when McManus is healthy and ready to kick again, what do you do with Lucas Havrisik? The guy has kicked 8 times, 4 XP, 4 FG's, and made all 8. Include the 61 yarder and well, we have a real kicking conundrum, but in a good way.

Is their a market to trade Havrisik? Get a 6th or 7th for him? I just don't think he survives a cut and clearing of waivers so that we can try and put him back on our PS. Even if he clears waivers, another team can offer him a sweeter deal to be on their PS.

McManus is just too consistent and too good to even consider trading.

Do you roll the dice and carry 2 kickers on the 53? But I guess to what ends? So that you have the same "problem" next season? Not to mention Lucas Havrisik will be a Free agent after this season.

Anyway, it is a good problem to have, but one that Gute and the Packers have to be thinking about and possibly getting the word out to other teams that Lucas Havrisik might be on the trade block soon.

Ideally, maybe you package him with another player or draft pick, and trade for a quality CB.
A year ago who would have guessed we would have this problem? :)
 

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I just mean you don't have long at all before deadline. I don't think they'll move him before McManus is back, but reality is deadline is less than two weeks away.
Guess I don't understand the deadline. They were able to sign him for 1 month?
 

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Do you roll the dice and carry 2 kickers on the 53? But I guess to what ends? So that you have the same "problem" next season? Not to mention Lucas Havrisik will be a Free agent after this season.
I think they need to, at least until they can find a trade partner for Havrisik. There is no sense in letting Havrisik go, and risk nothing in return.

It's no coincidence that our 3 Corp ST guys, McManus, Whelen, and Orzech received multi year deals this year, with the kicking game succeeding the way iis has since Narveson was replaced. There's nothing better than having a top notch snapper, holder and kicker, and these 3 guys have formed one a heck of a trio in that aspect. Furthermore, I firmly believe it has flowed to the overall success Havrisik is enjoying, while filling in until McManus is healthy to play again. That success is going to give him a full time job with another team in this league, in the not so distant future.
 

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I think they need to, at least until they can find a trade partner for Havrisik. There is no sense in letting Havrisik go, and risk nothing in return.

It's no coincidence that our 3 Corp ST guys, McManus, Whelen, and Orzech received multi year deals this year, with the kicking game succeeding the way iis has since Narveson was replaced. There's nothing better than having a top notch snapper, holder and kicker, and these 3 guys have formed one a heck of a trio in that aspect. Furthermore, I firmly believe it has flowed to the overall success Havrisik is enjoying, while filling in until McManus is healthy to play again. That success is going to give him a full time job with another team in this league, in the not so distant future.
Your point is a good one. The kicker's results are tied into the holder and snapper more than people realize. It has to be a cohesive unit and for some unknown reason the Packers coaching staff didn't get this through their heads for years. They thought it was all just an afterthought; anyone can do the jobs.

I would like to see them try to at least get something for this kid they signed. He really has the leg and could be a solid addition for some team, and at the league minimum. A 7th round pick would be fine. At least it would be an extra body that might impact the roster next year, or another trading chip.

It's amazing when you think of it. The Packers have been around for roughly 105 years and the guy who owns their longest FG in history is a guy off the street who came in to replace our veteran kicker while he's healing from an injury. It's even more ironic when you figure all the suffering and mistakes made in getting someone to do the 3 players we had for two years.
 

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Trade deadline is November 4th. ZERO moving him for anything in return after that.
Then I would not worry about that and keep him for insurance. But you have to keep him on the roster because someone would pick him up if you tried to put him on the ps.
 

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Only have a couple weeks...that deadline will get here faster then we realize.
I'm starting to get a little concerned that the leg injury that McManus thought wouldn't even cause him to miss a game has now cost him two - and he isn't even practicing. 34 years old is not exactly elderly, but a 34 year old muscle often will take longer to heal than a 24 year old muscle. One more week, and I'll start to get a little nervous that we won't get anything for Hav at all

I wonder what his value actually is... in this thread, we have people speculating everything from a 6th or 7th rounder, and a solid starting young CB + flipping a Day Three pick. I can't even guess what the actual value would really be.
 
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I'm starting to get a little concerned that the leg injury that McManus thought wouldn't even cause him to miss a game has now cost him two - and he isn't even practicing. 34 years old is not exactly elderly, but a 34 year old muscle often will take longer to heal than a 24 year old muscle. One more week, and I'll start to get a little nervous that we won't get anything for Hav at all

I wonder what his value actually is... in this thread, we have people speculating everything from a 6th or 7th rounder, and a solid starting young CB + flipping a Day Three pick. I can't even guess what the actual value would really be.
I agree. At this point you don't let the kid go and hope you can stash him on the practice squad. There are too many kickers out there who are struggling. He'd be snapped up in a heartbeat. Even if McManus does come back this coming weekend, I'd keep the kid on the roster and if you had anything over 50 yards, take advantage of that leg of his.

Me? I want to hang on to him even if it means a roster spot. Let's face it, every week we have at least a half dozen guys on that roster that we wonder why they're even out there anyhow. It isn't going to hurt the team with him active.
 

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Interesting graphic during the Monday night game. Three QBs that people wrote off from 2018 draft. Darnold, Jones, and Mayfield. All three putting up solid seasons this year. All three showing poise. Experience matters. One thing all three had in common coming into the league, they were expected to guide teams immediately not given enough time to learn the game from the bench for a couple of years. Also, the fact that they are all now in systems where their best assets can be utilized.
 
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I'm starting to get a little concerned that the leg injury that McManus thought wouldn't even cause him to miss a game has now cost him two - and he isn't even practicing. 34 years old is not exactly elderly, but a 34 year old muscle often will take longer to heal than a 24 year old muscle. One more week, and I'll start to get a little nervous that we won't get anything for Hav at all

I wonder what his value actually is... in this thread, we have people speculating everything from a 6th or 7th rounder, and a solid starting young CB + flipping a Day Three pick. I can't even guess what the actual value would really be.

“Solid” is not likely happening. At best you’re getting a CB from a team that no one is resigning and the team has other people. Even the Giants who need a kicker might even make you send Hav and a 6th for Flott and a 7th back.
 

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“Solid” is not likely happening. At best you’re getting a CB from a team that no one is resigning and the team has other people. Even the Giants who need a kicker might even make you send Hav and a 6th for Flott and a 7th back.

The only way that you get an above average CB in a trade involving a kicker and picks is either 1 of 2 scenarios:

1. You throw in a very high pick or quality player. I doubt Gute wants to part with any solid players. Nor would he want to part with 2nd or 3rd round picks, considering he doesn't have a 1st rounder at the moment.

2. Player you trade for is disgruntled with his current team and/or has an expiring contract after this season.

Maybe Gute finds another Rasul Douglas on another teams PS and poaches him, but I wouldn't wait around for that. Maybe the Ravens want to part with Jaire. :whistling: :roflmao:
 

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The only way that you get an above average CB in a trade involving a kicker and picks is either 1 of 2 scenarios:

1. You throw in a very high pick or quality player. I doubt Gute wants to part with any solid players. Nor would he want to part with 2nd or 3rd round picks, considering he doesn't have a 1st rounder at the moment.

2. Player you trade for is disgruntled with his current team and/or has an expiring contract after this season.

Maybe Gute finds another Rasul Douglas on another teams PS and poaches him, but I wouldn't wait around for that. Maybe the Ravens want to part with Jaire. :whistling: :roflmao:
No doubt about it. It's not as easy to get someone off a roster as people think. Maybe they should consider free agents who are out injured like Asante Samuel, and Stephon Gilmore? These are two guys who have a great track record, and a balance of season contract to give them a shot at coming back might be good for both them and the Packers. Of course, make sure they can pass a physical.

There are others, I just threw these two names out because I believe they're still in that boat.
 
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So when McManus is healthy and ready to kick again, what do you do with Lucas Havrisik? The guy has kicked 8 times, 4 XP, 4 FG's, and made all 8. Include the 61 yarder and well, we have a real kicking conundrum, but in a good way.

Is their a market to trade Havrisik? Get a 6th or 7th for him? I just don't think he survives a cut and clearing of waivers so that we can try and put him back on our PS. Even if he clears waivers, another team can offer him a sweeter deal to be on their PS.

McManus is just too consistent and too good to even consider trading.

Do you roll the dice and carry 2 kickers on the 53? But I guess to what ends? So that you have the same "problem" next season? Not to mention Lucas Havrisik will be a Free agent after this season.

Anyway, it is a good problem to have, but one that Gute and the Packers have to be thinking about and possibly getting the word out to other teams that Lucas Havrisik might be on the trade block soon.

Ideally, maybe you package him with another player or draft pick, and trade for a quality CB.
Yes. If the right offer presents itself we should trade for a CB as long as it does exceed a 5th RD type collateral or $5m area prorated +- While adding a K sounds nice, I would imagine that the market at K is very slight this time of year. Also 10 Kicks are a smaller sample etc.
yes to CB though but no to K as imo I would find room on the Roster until we get a few players back healthy off IR etc. and out distance between McNamath injury concerns (call it 2-4 weeks) then I’d put him on PS
 

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The only way that you get an above average CB in a trade involving a kicker and picks is either 1 of 2 scenarios:

1. You throw in a very high pick or quality player. I doubt Gute wants to part with any solid players. Nor would he want to part with 2nd or 3rd round picks, considering he doesn't have a 1st rounder at the moment.

2. Player you trade for is disgruntled with his current team and/or has an expiring contract after this season.

Maybe Gute finds another Rasul Douglas on another teams PS and poaches him, but I wouldn't wait around for that. Maybe the Ravens want to part with Jaire. :whistling: :roflmao:
I don't know why we are discounting players we have. Someone might be good. Worth a shot imho. Or just cut them. Or wait for them to grow haha.
 

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The only way that you get an above average CB in a trade involving a kicker and picks is either 1 of 2 scenarios:

1. You throw in a very high pick or quality player. I doubt Gute wants to part with any solid players. Nor would he want to part with 2nd or 3rd round picks, considering he doesn't have a 1st rounder at the moment.

2. Player you trade for is disgruntled with his current team and/or has an expiring contract after this season.

Maybe Gute finds another Rasul Douglas on another teams PS and poaches him, but I wouldn't wait around for that. Maybe the Ravens want to part with Jaire. :whistling: :roflmao:
Jaire would get on the field in one game and by the half he would be out.
 
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I figured he was history. He was relegated to 4th in order at TE.

Yes and no, Fitzpatrick is more than H Back type TE where Sims is for sure more inline type. One thing it does mean is Musgrave is not getting moved any time soon like rumors
 
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This is fantastic news. No matter Watson is a nice upgrade over any TE not name Tucker. Really excited to see Matthew Golden and Watson lined up together for their joint debut

Pick your speed poison!
 
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