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[tynimiller]

I hope things work out for the Packers and Jenkins. He's a good player, but I don't feel sorry for him. The Packers had rewarded him with a juicy extension of his rookie deal and were paying him the kind of money that a solid starting LG/T would expect. He will continue to make the same salary this season, despite being shifted to C, a position where less money is typically paid to OL starters. If he thinks he is worth more, F him. Prove yourself to be a Pro Bowl Caliber Center and then go out and get the kind of money you seek. If Elgton feels he can be a top LT or LG for another team, he will probably have that chance in Free Agency next season, since I don't think the Packers will keep him around, without a reworked contract, due to his scheduled $24.8M cap hit.

My hope. He has an outstanding year at Center, proves to himself and the Packers that this is his career position and they work out some kind of new long term deal that both sides are happy with.

If things had continued and he told the Packers he won't play Center, until a new deal is done, I think the Packers would have dumped him and split the $9.6M dead cap hit over 2 seasons.

I just don’t see a world and everyone I’ve spoke too said this isn’t about him making more, it’s about redoing his contract by extension and lowering his overall future years to a point the team isn’t going to cut him after this year.

There isn’t a world that exists he is on this team next year with his current contract. He knows it, the team knows it…it I’m wrong I’ll donate $100 to a charity of anyone’s choosing next year if we hit the regular season on the same deal as right now.

Me personally if I’m Jenkins I’m talking final contract, asking GB what would it take to make sense for GB to re do contract extending me for four years post 2025, where zero guaranteed money was exists that final year or very little….

I don’t think Jenkins wants to go anywhere else…but it is very rare players GB signs to a big third contract on OL usually.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In other news....MarShawn Lloyd is injured again.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

There isn’t a world that exists he is on this team next year with his current contract. He knows it, the team knows it…it I’m wrong I’ll donate $100 to a charity of anyone’s choosing next year if we hit the regular season on the same deal as right now.

That's a pretty safe bet.

Like I also said, the Packers won't be taking a $24.8M cap in 2026, unless there is a rash of injuries, he gets put at LT this season, and he has a Pro Bowl year.

 

[tynimiller]

In other news....MarShawn Lloyd is injured again.

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Hobbs with some questionable hitting in practices. He got his *** chewed out today.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I actually think him being back actually signals a small agreement is reached, it might be a post season agreement based type thing or we may see something this week yet.

It could be a shake hands and realize this is the last year, last ride together. Let's go win a SB and part ways Elgton type thing.

I had the same read. He's gonna get paid for his current deal. There was some talk he was looking for more guaranteed money, but he's playing C and being paid as a top NFL G. Maybe that finally dawned on him, or more likely, his agent.

This will likely be his last year in GB. IMO he's a great Packer, he's just at that point where a third contract from GB won't happen. He'll land somewhere in FA, and with his versatility, he'll be well paid. Aside from age, The Packers need to do something to lower the total cost of their starting OL. It got more expensive this year with Tom, Banks, and Jenkins. If they keep Walker, they'll have to pay him. And they finally have some decent depth in Morgan and Belton.

 

[gopkrs]

I suppose it is possible they rework his contract at the end of the year and he stays. It would depend on what he thinks he'd be worth on the open market. And what the backups look like. But we are getting ahead of ourselves.

 

[OldSchool101]

I hope things work out for the Packers and Jenkins. He's a good player, but I don't feel sorry for him. The Packers had rewarded him with a juicy extension of his rookie deal and were paying him the kind of money that a solid starting LG/T would expect. He will continue to make the same salary this season, despite being shifted to C, a position where less money is typically paid to OL starters. If he thinks he is worth more, F him. Prove yourself to be a Pro Bowl Caliber Center and then go out and get the kind of money you seek. If Elgton feels he can be a top LT or LG for another team, he will probably have that chance in Free Agency next season, since I don't think the Packers will keep him around, without a reworked contract, due to his scheduled $24.8M cap hit.

My hope. He has an outstanding year at Center, proves to himself and the Packers that this is his career position and they work out some kind of new long term deal that both sides are happy with.

If things had continued and he told the Packers he won't play Center, until a new deal is done, I think the Packers would have dumped him and split the $9.6M dead cap hit over 2 seasons.

Exactly. Plus the way I look at these isn’t from a D posture.
#1 He feels like he’s got that type belief in himself
#2 He prefers to stay in Green Bay.

I don’t fault him for either. I hope he finishes strong and goes out and gets $20Mil+ yearly.

PS I secretly want a 3rd Round Comp pick but don’t tell him I’m selfish

 

[OldSchool101]

Hobbs with some questionable hitting in practices. He got his *** chewed out today.

You know he mentioning an interview that just him. That’s how he likes to play he’s a football player. Now on the surface I get that. However this game is very cerebral and the only way you make it long term is to score High physically and score high mentally. He’s about to get benched if he’s not careful. Ask Quay or JA how actions detrimental to the team work out with our Staff.

 

[OldSchool101]

I had the same read. He's gonna get paid for his current deal. There was some talk he was looking for more guaranteed money, but he's playing C and being paid as a top NFL G. Maybe that finally dawned on him, or more likely, his agent.

This will likely be his last year in GB. IMO he's a great Packer, he's just at that point where a third contract from GB won't happen. He'll land somewhere in FA, and with his versatility, he'll be well paid. Aside from age, The Packers need to do something to lower the total cost of their starting OL. It got more expensive this year with Tom, Banks, and Jenkins. If they keep Walker, they'll have to pay him. And they finally have some decent depth in Morgan and Belton.

Yep. It’s weird how contracts overlap within a position group. Sometimes you just can’t pay everyone the $$ and someone is going to get the shortest Cap straw. Like my Step Mom sais jokingly. “Sorry for your Luck!… See Ya.. Wouldn’t want to Be Ya!”
I mean it playfully I’m not an Elgton hater he’s just doing what players do. No ask no get.

 

[Voyageur]

I don't know what happened that sparked his not wanting to show for camp, but I'm inclined to believe he was looking to add three or maybe four years to his existing deal and guarantee a longer term of income. He knows that at his age the clock is ticking, and I think he wants to end his career as a Packer. Unfortunately, that's not what Gute seems to do. He seems to prefer letting guys walk away and end their careers elsewhere. He isn't prone to put money into that risk category when a player ages. I think a lot of it has to do with the Rodgers situation and how he got burned with him.

 

[Thirteen Below]

One guy said to me "Sorry bub, that is the price, at kickoff we all tear our tickets up if they aren't bought." Now I doubt that they actually did that, but we opted out and headed to a bar to watch the game.

Out of curiosity, what was the number? And approximately what year was it?

 

[Thirteen Below]

Hobbs with some questionable hitting in practices. He got his *** chewed out today.

What gets my hackles up is that he got his *** chewed last week, too, for the same thing - twice.

He injured Malik Heath on one hard hit, and was cautioned by Lafleur to dial it back. The very next day, he laid Wicks out with a low hit and left him on the turf for a minute or two. Matt dragged his *** over to the sideline and told him in no uncertain terms to back off, and then again on Monday he sends Llloyd limping off the field.

I'm starting to wonder about this guy. I'm glad to have a hard hitting CB on the team, but I also place a lot of value on a guy who is coachable - who knows how and when to listen. I'm really wondering how smart this guy is, how disciplned he can be on the field. Hobbs needs to learn when and how to control his intensity, and if he can't do that (and listen to clear instructions), he doesn't leave Lafleur with a lot of options. Lafleur is not a guy who likes having to tell a guy he same exact thing 3 days in a row.

Yeah, I get it - football is football. But training camp is training camp, and it's not the place to show off how hard you can hit. It's just to show how well you can play your position, because we already know how hard you can hit. That's part of why you're here. And if he winds up injuring a key player because he's too stubborn and too stupid to listen to his head coach, I'm going to go sour on him in a real big hurry. And I think Lafleur will get pretty sick of it too.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Hobbs with some questionable hitting in practices. He got his *** chewed out today.

Yeah that was stupid behaviour. I think he's done this twice now. He tackled Lloyd and Lloyd went out with a lower leg injury. I don't think it's serious, but's the point is - no tackling in TC scrimmages w/o pads. I hope this is just a sign of aggressiveness that won't repeat itself until it's really needed.

 

[Voyageur]

This situation makes me wonder exactly why they decided to cut him. If the Raiders cut him it should send up red flags from the start. They've had a thug mentality for a long time now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Out of curiosity, what was the number? And approximately what year was it?

I can't remember the exact number, but it was well over face value. I am guessing it was either 1998 or 99.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't know what happened that sparked his not wanting to show for camp, but I'm inclined to believe he was looking to add three or maybe four years to his existing deal and guarantee a longer term of income. He knows that at his age the clock is ticking, and I think he wants to end his career as a Packer. Unfortunately, that's not what Gute seems to do. He seems to prefer letting guys walk away and end their careers elsewhere. He isn't prone to put money into that risk category when a player ages. I think a lot of it has to do with the Rodgers situation and how he got burned with him.

I am guessing that Jenkins wasn't too happy about being moved to Center. Especially, knowing that his current contract structure (through 2026) basically makes this his final year on that contract. Had the Packers shifted him to LT, he would have been very happy and not said a thing. Given that he is basically on a 1 year deal, at an OL position that isn't as lucrative as his previous 2, he had to have wanted security and guarantees.

The only thing I might have done if I were Gute, if he wanted to keep Jenkins around past this season, is offer up a low end, incentive laden new deal. Maybe Gute did and Jenkins decided it was just worth playing out the season and testing his market value at the end.

 

[tynimiller]

This situation makes me wonder exactly why they decided to cut him. If the Raiders cut him it should send up red flags from the start. They've had a thug mentality for a long time now.

He wasn’t cut

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[tynimiller]

I am guessing that Jenkins wasn't too happy about being moved to Center. Especially, knowing that his current contract structure (through 2026) basically makes this his final year on that contract. Had the Packers shifted him to LT, he would have been very happy and not said a thing. Given that he is basically on a 1 year deal, at an OL position that isn't as lucrative as his previous 2, he had to have wanted security and guarantees.

The only thing I might have done if I were Gute, if he wanted to keep Jenkins around past this season, is offer up a low end, incentive laden new deal. Maybe Gute did and Jenkins decided it was just worth playing out the season and testing his market value at the end.

That is one option but you could easily have extended and rewrote contract to actually give him more guarantee but lower his overall cap hit quite easily this year and next even. This tells me GB could be playing the long term game scenario where they’d rather give Rhyan a Lucas Patrick type deal who has been the primary back up center above Monk even and enter 2026 with a much cheaper center option than resigning Jenkins.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That is one option but you could easily have extended and rewrote contract to actually give him more guarantee but lower his overall cap hit quite easily this year and next even. This tells me GB could be playing the long term game scenario where they’d rather give Rhyan a Lucas Patrick type deal who has been the primary back up center above Monk even and enter 2026 with a much cheaper center option than resigning Jenkins.

Oh most definitely the case.

With the big contract that they gave Banks, as well as Tom's now done deal, I really doubt that Gute wanted to tie up anymore big guaranteed money into the OL, especially at Center. Not sure if Walker will get a new deal at LT or allowed to walk after the season, but the Packers have a lot of options and moving parts on the OL.

Again, I like Jenkins, but if he was asking for MORE guaranteed money, sorry bub, you got $24M in guaranteed money 2 years ago, sit down. He will get $11.7M guaranteed, if he makes the 53 man roster in Sept. and another $250K if he is a Pro Bowler.

I really don't get this whole guaranteed money crap. Make the team and your salary is guaranteed for that season, without having to take 1 regular season snap!

 

[OldSchool101]

I am guessing that Jenkins wasn't too happy about being moved to Center. Especially, knowing that his current contract structure (through 2026) basically makes this his final year on that contract. Had the Packers shifted him to LT, he would have been very happy and not said a thing. Given that he is basically on a 1 year deal, at an OL position that isn't as lucrative as his previous 2, he had to have wanted security and guarantees.

The only thing I might have done if I were Gute, if he wanted to keep Jenkins around past this season, is offer up a low end, incentive laden new deal. Maybe Gute did and Jenkins decided it was just worth playing out the season and testing his market value at the end.

So I just watched an interview with Jenkins on Packers.com and they were grilling him on if he was fishing for more $$. I’d like to share my take on that if it’s ok.
First. What irritated me a little is these reporters would not stop on the contract, like detectives trying to get a confession. It was bordering ridiculous. What difference does it make now?? Just layoff he answered the same question the same way 4 times. Several of the reporters don’t have much tact imo. It looked like Demovsky head from the rear but I’m not positive.
The other part is they asked him about the move to Center. He said the Staff called him and asked him “if he would be ok with a position switch?” He said he didn’t ponder it long he called them back and said Yes. It was never about the $ I think he was being genuine there.
Also Elgton said he had hurt his back lifting weights, but it was minor he just didn’t want to aggravate it (my words this isn’t word for word). Then he said he had a family situation he needed to step away to handle that. Imo him being excused for non football related injury was twofold. They let Elgton go handle his family business while resting his back some.

He repeatedly said the same thing. He wants to be with his teammates and help win football games. He said the $$ will take care of itself if he does that. It’s exactly what I would have told him and I just appreciated he’s putting his Faith in his God given ability.

Also he said he was drafted as a Center. That’s his natural position. Plus he’s had adequate snaps at the Pro level, he seems very confident. He mentioned having an entire Camp to refine his Center duties will be much better than earlier attempts at transition without the time.

I love player interviews. I just like hearing it from the player directly verses the reports that come out that seemingly have an agenda. Watching the body language etc. I can read people pretty good and this Elgton Jenkins is a committed teammate. The story got blown way out of proportion.

 

[Voyageur]

I can't remember the exact number, but it was well over face value. I am guessing it was either 1998 or 99.

Back when we had to pay the seat licensing fee, we divided the added cost to the ticket values when selling them to friends when we sold them. It was only fair that they pay a percentage of it. The fee was not cheap. Our four seats came with a $5,600 license fee if I recall. $1,400 per seat. It was a prerequisite that we pay it to keep our seats.

Then, when we wanted to sell them for individual games, we were warned that we couldn't charge over face value of the tickets when selling them or we could lose the season tickets. Not once did they consider the additional outlay we had to keep our seats we'd been paying for during the 20+ years.

That I have never forgotten. I think it was about 2012. That's when I let my oldest son take control of the tickets. We were moving to Texas and he still had a business up in Wisconsin that he'd travel to regularly so he used the tickets.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Back when we had to pay the seat licensing fee, we divided the added cost to the ticket values when selling them to friends when we sold them. It was only fair that they pay a percentage of it. The fee was not cheap. Our four seats came with a $5,600 license fee if I recall. $1,400 per seat. It was a prerequisite that we pay it to keep our seats.

Then, when we wanted to sell them for individual games, we were warned that we couldn't charge over face value of the tickets when selling them or we could lose the season tickets. Not once did they consider the additional outlay we had to keep our seats we'd been paying for during the 20+ years.

That I have never forgotten. I think it was about 2012. That's when I let my oldest son take control of the tickets. We were moving to Texas and he still had a business up in Wisconsin that he'd travel to regularly so he used the tickets.

I used to have season tickets to Badger Football and Hockey. I guess I always viewed the seat license as a donation to the UW, as well as a way to reserve my good seats. The only time I passed that fee on was when I was ready to give up my Hockey tickets, but a buddy of mine loved the seats and going to games, so he said he would pick up the entire cost.

Professional resellers of tickets probably never pay that seat license fee either. Their goal is to buy the tickets as cheap as possible and resell for as much as possible.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So I just watched an interview with Jenkins on Packers.com and they were grilling him on if he was fishing for more $$. I’d like to share my take on that if it’s ok.
First. What irritated me a little is these reporters would not stop on the contract, like detectives trying to get a confession. It was bordering ridiculous. What difference does it make now?? Just layoff he answered the same question the same way 4 times. Several of the reporters don’t have much tact imo. It looked like Demovsky head from the rear but I’m not positive.
The other part is they asked him about the move to Center. He said the Staff called him and asked him “if he would be ok with a position switch?” He said he didn’t ponder it long he called them back and said Yes. It was never about the $ I think he was being genuine there.
Also Elgton said he had hurt his back lifting weights, but it was minor he just didn’t want to aggravate it (my words this isn’t word for word). Then he said he had a family situation he needed to step away to handle that. Imo him being excused for non football related injury was twofold. They let Elgton go handle his family business while resting his back some.

He repeatedly said the same thing. He wants to be with his teammates and help win football games. He said the $$ will take care of itself if he does that. It’s exactly what I would have told him and I just appreciated he’s putting his Faith in his God given ability.

Also he said he was drafted as a Center. That’s his natural position. Plus he’s had adequate snaps at the Pro level, he seems very confident. He mentioned having an entire Camp to refine his Center duties will be much better than earlier attempts at transition without the time.

I love player interviews. I just like hearing it from the player directly verses the reports that come out that seemingly have an agenda. Watching the body language etc. I can read people pretty good and this Elgton Jenkins is a committed teammate. The story got blown way out of proportion.

I don't doubt that he said all of that, but what would you expect him to say? "I'm getting ripped off here and F this team, I will play, but I am not happy about it."

It's pretty obvious that he and/or his agent didn't like something about the situation. Otherwise, why would he skip the offseason workout program (cost him $500K) and not show up for camps (mandatory or not)?

Maybe the story got blown out of proportion, but I have a feeling the truth lies somewhere between what he said and what the media has been saying.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't doubt that he said all of that, but what would you expect him to say? "I'm getting ripped off here and F this team, I will play, but I am not happy about it."

It's pretty obvious that he and/or his agent didn't like something about the situation. Otherwise, why would he skip the offseason workout program (cost him $500K) and not show up for camps (mandatory or not)?

Maybe the story got blown out of proportion, but I have a feeling the truth lies somewhere between what he said and what the media has been saying.

Imo. He really did have some family issue. When a guy is making his $$ it wouldn’t be out of norm to relinquish what he makes per 1/2 game to try to better his position.

Anyway, it’s just as possible his agent was pushing for more $$, this isn’t some wild guess. The issue in this case is there really was not much ground to stand on in this situation. The Packers have his replacement on board and stand to save $~14Mil off their Cap. Then Jenkins gets sent packing wherever and there’s a risk things go south, I think the instability is Risk in itself. Not to mention this is one good team he’s on and there’s a value if he makes a conference game or SB.
Things go as planned and here’s a guy getting ready to sign a $75mil contract, I doubt he’s losing sleep like we would. We can be disappointed but in reality this is forgettable level stuff to me.
We’ve already factored his Cap, he’s a good player we just need to get past this and move onto the next problem.

Again I’m pleased he’s our Center. He’s only going to give us the best chance at making a push and our depth is as good as we’ve had in a long time. We likely have 2 of Rhyan or Morgan or Belton just warming a bench.