2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread <closed>

[Heyjoe4]

Back when we had to pay the seat licensing fee, we divided the added cost to the ticket values when selling them to friends when we sold them. It was only fair that they pay a percentage of it. The fee was not cheap. Our four seats came with a $5,600 license fee if I recall. $1,400 per seat. It was a prerequisite that we pay it to keep our seats.

Then, when we wanted to sell them for individual games, we were warned that we couldn't charge over face value of the tickets when selling them or we could lose the season tickets. Not once did they consider the additional outlay we had to keep our seats we'd been paying for during the 20+ years.

That I have never forgotten. I think it was about 2012. That's when I let my oldest son take control of the tickets. We were moving to Texas and he still had a business up in Wisconsin that he'd travel to regularly so he used the tickets.

Thanks V. Hmmm, how would the Packers know if a season ticket had been sold above face value? And it seems like a policy that denies Econ 101, supply and demand. Really, I just don't get it. And you're right, with such a significant licensing fee, I would expect to pay a per-ticket share of that.

 

[Voyageur]

Marshawn Lloyd wasn't injured by Hobbs. Anyway, that's my opinion. An abductor injury usually happens when a player makes a sudden move and the muscle itself tears because of the sudden change in action surrounding it. He could be sidelined for two weeks or 4-months. It all depends on how bad the tear is, and how quickly they can get him doing active exercises to reestablish his range of motion without pain. Rushing the process can make the problem worse, and it could end up he'll need surgery to repair it. Only time will tell, no matter what the reports are. I'm surprised there aren't more of these injuries in the NFL.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Marshawn Lloyd wasn't injured by Hobbs. Anyway, that's my opinion. An abductor injury usually happens when a player makes a sudden move and the muscle itself tears because of the sudden change in action surrounding it. He could be sidelined for two weeks or 4-months. It all depends on how bad the tear is, and how quickly they can get him doing active exercises to reestablish his range of motion without pain. Rushing the process can make the problem worse, and it could end up he'll need surgery to repair it. Only time will tell, no matter what the reports are. I'm surprised there aren't more of these injuries in the NFL.

Yeah a groin injury isn't likely to be sustained from a hit. Lloyd is just having terrible luck. Hopefully this is a 2-week recovery and nothing more.

If he needed surgery we'd probably know by now. I'm sure he's had an MRI. So here's hoping this is short term.

 

[OldSchool101]

Lloyd is already back at practice. MLF, Josh Jacobs and Marshawn himself said this isn’t a long term or serious injury. They are just playing it safe imo. Nobody can predict a reinjury occurrence, but this sounded more like a couple of weeks is all. I think we’re just more sensitive to his situation because he’s had multiple different setbacks. Thankfully each setback seams to be different. I’d be more concerned if he kept having the same issue.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Lloyd is already back at practice. MLF, Josh Jacobs and Marshawn himself said this isn’t a long term or serious injury. They are just playing it safe imo. Nobody can predict a reinjury occurrence, but this sounded more like a couple of weeks is all. I think we’re just more sensitive to his situation because he’s had multiple different setbacks. Thankfully each setback seams to be different. I’d be more concerned if he kept having the same issue.

That's great news OS, thanks.

An injury or injuries in a rookie season, unless it is a chronic problem, won't predict future health. But I agree that after an injury-shortened rookie year, there is more attention paid to the player in his second season. And the higher the pick, like Morgan and Lloyd, the more attention they get.

 

[Voyageur]

That's great news with Lloyd. The next step is to slowly regain range of motion when the pain is gone. From there, quickly back into full practice mode and strength programs to regain any muscle loss from short term atrophy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL....saw another clickbait article about the Packers trading for Micah Parsons.

I refuse to post the link to the article, since I already gave it 1 more click than it deserves.

The article suggested that the Packers would need to give up at least "first-round selections in 2026 and 2027, as well as a second-round pick in one of those drafts and another mid-rounder in one of the following two seasons" and pay Parsons somewhere North of $41M/season.

The Packers would have ZERO interest in giving up that kind of suggested draft capital for a player. Nor would they want to add that kind of money to their cap.

Parsons is a good player, but I would bet the farm on him not landing in Green Bay.

His Social Media posts were a good read though. Was it just a stunt or did he permanently burn his bridge to the Cowboys?

https://x.com/MicahhParsons11/status/1951346210067095890

 

[gopkrs]

LOL....saw another clickbait article about the Packers trading for Micah Parsons.

I refuse to post the link to the article, since I already gave it 1 more click than it deserves.

The article suggested that the Packers would need to give up at least "first-round selections in 2026 and 2027, as well as a second-round pick in one of those drafts and another mid-rounder in one of the following two seasons" and pay Parsons somewhere North of $41M/season.

The Packers would have ZERO interest in giving up that kind of suggested draft capital for a player. Nor would they want to add that kind of money to their cap.

Parsons is a good player, but I would bet the farm on him not landing in Green Bay.

His Social Media posts were a good read though. Was it just a stunt or did he permanently burn his bridge to the Cowboys?

https://x.com/MicahhParsons11/status/1951346210067095890

I imagine it's a similar situation to Jenkins. Why would they let Parsons go or trade him? He's under contract. Unlike Jenkins though, he's a good enough player to be tagged. They might consider trading him because he would garner a lot. But normally better to keep a superstar. My bet, they will come to an agreement. Just something else to get the talking heads up on their high horse. Worse case, they'll let him be disgruntled. Of course, then he can sit out 6 weeks I think.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I imagine it's a similar situation to Jenkins. Why would they let Parsons go or trade him? He's under contract. Unlike Jenkins though, he's a good enough player to be tagged. They might consider trading him because he would garner a lot. But normally better to keep a superstar. My bet, they will come to an agreement. Just something else to get the talking heads up on their high horse. Worse case, they'll let him be disgruntled. Of course, then he can sit out 6 weeks I think.

Not really all that similar to Jenkins, except maybe for the disgruntled part.

Parsons is guaranteed the $24M on the clubs exercising of his 5th year rookie deal option. So I believe, even if he sits out, he gets paid and the cap hit is a dead one. Also, we are talking a possible $16M+ difference in what the Cowboys are obligated to pay Parsons and his supposed market value.

Parsons does have some leverage and if you read his X post, he is basically saying that his time in Dallas is done. Whether it is or it isn't, we will see.

I'd be fine with seeing Parsons play for the Raiders.

 

[gopkrs]

Not really all that similar to Jenkins, except maybe for the disgruntled part.

Parsons is guaranteed the $24M on the clubs exercising of his 5th year rookie deal option. So I believe, even if he sits out, he gets paid and the cap hit is a dead one. Also, we are talking a possible $16M+ difference in what the Cowboys are obligated to pay Parsons and his supposed market value.

Parsons does have some leverage and if you read his X post, he is basically saying that his time in Dallas is done. Whether it is or it isn't, we will see.

I'd be fine with seeing Parsons play for the Raiders.

There is similarities in all of them when the player wants something new and the GM balks. Even if he gets the guaranteed money; the cowboys still have rights to the player and with him, the franchise tag.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is similarities in all of them when the player wants something new and the GM balks. Even if he gets the guaranteed money; the cowboys still have rights to the player and with him, the franchise tag.

Well yes, that is called a contract. Why I said that the situations were different is that Elgton's salary this season was not guaranteed. Nor was Elgton's salary really the issue with him, it was more wanting to be guaranteed. Whereas, Micah wants way more money than what the 5th year option pays him. Probably the other big difference between to 2 players, the Packers could have just cut Elgton and not have been out any additional money. The Cowboys don't have that luxury.

 

[OldSchool101]

Not really all that similar to Jenkins, except maybe for the disgruntled part.

Parsons is guaranteed the $24M on the clubs exercising of his 5th year rookie deal option. So I believe, even if he sits out, he gets paid and the cap hit is a dead one. Also, we are talking a possible $16M+ difference in what the Cowboys are obligated to pay Parsons and his supposed market value.

Parsons does have some leverage and if you read his X post, he is basically saying that his time in Dallas is done. Whether it is or it isn't, we will see.

I'd be fine with seeing Parsons play for the Raiders.

The bad news is that the Packers won’t have the feasible Cap space to make this trade happen for Parsons without being somewhat fiscally irresponsible. It could be done but it would get VERY tight.
Good news! GB has the most Cap space in our Division through the 2025-2026 seasons with a moderate carryover of current Cap but also moderate amount of future cap added to it. Detroit, Chicago or Minnesota are in worse shape than us across the ‘25-26 seasons.

 

[Voyageur]

The bad news is that the Packers won’t have the feasible Cap space to make this trade happen for Parsons without being somewhat fiscally irresponsible. It could be done but it would get VERY tight.
Good news! GB has the most Cap space in our Division through the 2025-2026 seasons with a moderate carryover of current Cap but also moderate amount of future cap added to it. Detroit, Chicago or Minnesota are in worse shape than us across the ‘25-26 seasons.

Using that cap space judicially could mean solid improvements in areas of weakness, and resigning of players on second contracts that's essential to keep the core intact. Using that money for Parsons would destroy that capability.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Using that cap space judicially could mean solid improvements in areas of weakness, and resigning of players on second contracts that's essential to keep the core intact. Using that money for Parsons would destroy that capability.

Agree. I would rather see the Packers resign their own players, if justified, than to see them sink a large portion of cap space into 1 high priced, currently disgruntled player, from another team. Not to mention the high draft assets it would require to do so.

When was the last time the Packers traded away a first round pick for another player? My guess is that it was for Favre?

 

[Heyjoe4]

Agree. I would rather see the Packers resign their own players, if justified, than to see them sink a large portion of cap space into 1 high priced, currently disgruntled player, from another team. Not to mention the high draft assets it would require to do so.

When was the last time the Packers traded away a first round pick for another player? My guess is that it was for Favre?

You're correct. Favre was selected in the second round in 1991 by the Falcons. The Packers then gave up a first round pick when they acquired him in 1992.

And as for Parsons, yeah that's an easy pass for the Packers. GB has too many good players coming up for extensions, and they just paid Tom.

Parsons will certainly get Garrett/Watt money wherever he signs. Jerruh paid Prescott $60 mil AAV, and Lamb got his money, around $35 mil AAV? Not quite sure.

They still might be able to extend Parsons. As for Parsons, I get why he wants to be paid now. A delta of $16 mil is whole lotta cash. Doesn't sound like Dallas is gonna budge - for now. And I don't see how they can pay him. Lamb, Prescott and Parsons alone would probably account for close to a third of the cap. Just rough numbers so I may be way off.

 

[OldSchool101]

Using that cap space judicially could mean solid improvements in areas of weakness, and resigning of players on second contracts that's essential to keep the core intact. Using that money for Parsons would destroy that capability.

Exactly. Rest assured we’d be better for 1 season. However I don’t say this often. But GB imo opinion has a Conference level Roster. Much of the season comes down to health, but even in one of the 2 toughest Divisions we should Win 10-13 games. That said, we are poised to do that again next season because we’ve been wise with our spending overall.

Trading for Parsons would be like Blowing all our $$ on the first ride of an entire amusement park.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Exactly. Rest assured we’d be better for 1 season. However I don’t say this often. But GB imo opinion has a Conference level Roster. Much of the season comes down to health, but even in one of the 2 toughest Divisions we should Win 10-13 games. That said, we are poised to do that again next season because we’ve been wise with our spending overall.

Trading for Parsons would be like Blowing all our $$ on the first ride of an entire amusement park.

I would say the same thing if all of a sudden Lukas Van Ness had a breakout season. While it would be awesome to have a player of Parsons caliber, I just wouldn't want to tie up $40M+ per season in 1 defensive player. QB is the only position that I can get behind putting a large hunk of the cap towards. Not to mention mortgaging your draft stock for 2 years.

 

[DoURant]

Omar Brown is making a push for a 53 man roster spot. Leads the Defense with 5 Int's during training camp, after collecting 3 last night in 11 on 11 drills during the Family Night practice. Valentine also with another pick, giving him 4.

 

[Pkrjones]

Watched Family Night livestreamed on Packers.com, last night.

- Valentine looked really good neutralizing Golden a few times, although overly "handsy" down field.
- Morgan was LT with the #1's (Walker sat out). LVN walked him back for a sack early on, after that Morgan held his own much better.
- Will Sheppard made some nice catches against #2/#3's.
- LB Jamon Johnson was very active & looked "special" against offensive 2's/3's.
- Early in 11 on 11's Golden had short gain on jet sweep... do not like that play that MLF continues running.
- Doubs made some nice catches.
- Clark lived in the backfield in 11 on 11's... schooled the entire interior #1 OL's.

 

[Voyageur]

Omar Brown is making a push for a 53 man roster spot. Leads the Defense with 5 Int's during training camp, after collecting 3 last night in 11 on 11 drills during the Family Night practice. Valentine also with another pick, giving him 4.

Brown has fluid hips. That's a trait necessary for a DB to turn and run with a receiver downfield. He's not the quickest guy out there but seems to understand his role in coverage instinctively which is a huge asset for a DB. I think he actually has a shot at making the roster, and eventually building his credentials enough to get some field time.

 

[OldSchool101]

Good stuff. While there are exceptions to the rule, a DB snagging 5+ INT in camp is super impressive. Omar has a nose for the football and the athletic ability to finish, that’s 2 very impressive traits.
Now as long as he doesn’t turn out to be Josh Jackson 2.0, who was a Camp/Preseason Stud, then he fizzled when the bright Lights came on

 

[Voyageur]

Good stuff. While there are exceptions to the rule, a DB snagging 5+ INT in camp is super impressive. Omar has a nose for the football and the athletic ability to finish, that’s 2 very impressive traits.
Now as long as he doesn’t turn out to be Josh Jackson 2.0, who was a Camp/Preseason Stud, then he fizzled when the bright Lights came on

Amen. I remember Josh Jackson. Just plain disappeared when the games began to count. He was a "practice warrior."

 

[gopkrs]

I read that Belton played some L tackle with the #1s. Was that some kind of a typo?

 

[gopkrs]

Good stuff. While there are exceptions to the rule, a DB snagging 5+ INT in camp is super impressive. Omar has a nose for the football and the athletic ability to finish, that’s 2 very impressive traits.
Now as long as he doesn’t turn out to be Josh Jackson 2.0, who was a Camp/Preseason Stud, then he fizzled when the bright Lights came on

We drafted Jackson in the 2nd or 3rd round. Big difference there.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Omar Brown is making a push for a 53 man roster spot. Leads the Defense with 5 Int's during training camp, after collecting 3 last night in 11 on 11 drills during the Family Night practice.

2 off of Willis, and one off of Love on a tipped pass to Julian Hicks. Hicks was the target on all 3 interceptions; poor guy didn't get much of a chance to make a case for himself. The 1st one (from Willis in the end zone) was just a bad pass, the second (Love) looked like it was batted out of his hands by Tyron Herring, and the third (Willis again) Brown just outfought him for the ball.

Sounds like we may end up keeping 2 of our UFDAs this year; Stackhouse is having one hell of a camp, and it's going to be hard to keep him off the roster. Lafleur really likes him.

Edit: oops, got my Maliks mixed up.