2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread <closed>

[Sunshinepacker]

Sort of roster related but if Gute decides to go for the Super Bowl this season I could see Walker being a player the Packers include in a trade for Parsons. Gute seems really doesn't want Walker at LT and the Cowboys need a good LT. Just a thought. Putting Parsons on this defense would make it elite and since INTs are very hit-or-miss I wouldn't be surprised to see the defense fall off a little from last year with the players they have now. I know people complain about the costs but A) the team wouldn't have to pay up to $15m a year for Walker who is NOT worth that and B) fans love first round picks and trading them for older players is bad but Parsons just turned 26; it's like the Family Guy skit about choosing what's behind the mystery door over a boat because the mystery door could be a boat. First round picks might turn out to be as good as Parsons but why would you prefer Quay Walker over Micah Parsons?

No, I don't think this is realistic because Gute is far to risk averse to make a big splash like this but I'll always point to the Rams trading for Stafford and Von Miller in 2021 and winning a Super Bowl because of those trades.

 

[tynimiller]

Sort of roster related but if Gute decides to go for the Super Bowl this season I could see Walker being a player the Packers include in a trade for Parsons. Gute seems really doesn't want Walker at LT and the Cowboys need a good LT. Just a thought. Putting Parsons on this defense would make it elite and since INTs are very hit-or-miss I wouldn't be surprised to see the defense fall off a little from last year with the players they have now. I know people complain about the costs but A) the team wouldn't have to pay up to $15m a year for Walker who is NOT worth that and B) fans love first round picks and trading them for older players is bad but Parsons just turned 26; it's like the Family Guy skit about choosing what's behind the mystery door over a boat because the mystery door could be a boat. First round picks might turn out to be as good as Parsons but why would you prefer Quay Walker over Micah Parsons?

No, I don't think this is realistic because Gute is far to risk averse to make a big splash like this but I'll always point to the Rams trading for Stafford and Von Miller in 2021 and winning a Super Bowl because of those trades.

In what world does one get the vibe he doesn’t want Rasheed at LT? It’s essentially the only position he’s ever really practiced at and quickly took hold of the role for us.

 

[gopkrs]

In what world does one get the vibe he doesn’t want Rasheed at LT? It’s essentially the only position he’s ever really practiced at and quickly took hold of the role for us.

And for me it shows that young guys should get a chance. Not only out of desperation when you have nobody else. Sometimes I have to wonder what coaches are seeing. Both he and Tom were pretty good right from the start.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

In what world does one get the vibe he doesn’t want Rasheed at LT? It’s essentially the only position he’s ever really practiced at and quickly took hold of the role for us.

He drafted his replacement in the first round last year.

 

[gopkrs]

He drafted his replacement in the first round last year.

Imho that has more to do with wanting a real good O line but knowing that you can't pay everyone. I'm thinking Belton is the real hope for L tackle. I'll be happy if Morgan can play R guard. Otherwise he is a good backup. But most likely imho at guard. I don't want to see a lot of wishful thinking on this. Give him a chance of course, but please don't force it.

 

[El Guapo]

I've thought about the possibility of a Walker trade if he plays well and Morgan shows that he is ready to dominate. I like to fantasize. Those are two big if's. If they both happen, you still need a willing trade partner and the deal for a relatively unknown LT will likely not mean that a team will throw a Pro Bowl player at us. The best case scenario would be a similar up-and-comer or draft picks.

We can't pay Walker if he plays great, but that also doesn't mean that we will be able to trade him mid-season either.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Imho that has more to do with wanting a real good O line but knowing that you can't pay everyone. I'm thinking Belton is the real hope for L tackle. I'll be happy if Morgan can play R guard. Otherwise he is a good backup. But most likely imho at guard. I don't want to see a lot of wishful thinking on this. Give him a chance of course, but please don't force it.

I think Walker is an aboveaverage LT and those are hard to find but Gute doesn't seem to feel the same way and so the Packers might as well get some value from him in a trade rather than letting him walk in free agency (and please, I don't want to hear about compensatory picks).

 

[tynimiller]

He drafted his replacement in the first round last year.

Disagree - but not entirely for sure. Rasheed was plugged into LT well before I think anyone envisioned or desired he be there due to Bakh just not able to make it through 2022 (Walker's rookie year when we platooned the position). We've seen guys do decent as a rookie or first year starter their sophomore year and then faulter (Newman likely the most recent OL I can think of...and truthfully even Myers to a point).

Walker was a late round insurance pick on an experienced tackle with swing potential movement skills...who turned out to be more than capable and able to handle 2023 starting responsibilities before anyone desired him to - this also, and arguably most valuable, allowed Tom to play elsewhere as well and not have to start a new spot. However, when Morgan was drafted last year the expiring horizon of guys time in GB like Myers was evident and also most close to the scenario envisioned Morgan unseating Rhyan at RG in 2024 (which he essentially did or was going to demanding split time from the jump despite being a rookie) until one of or both Tom and Walker leave and Morgan would be given a chance to prove incapable or capable at LT or RT eventually.

To me Morgan is going to be a high level guard or could turn into a solid (Rasheed Walker level) LT at this point - BUT, to be fair my LT opinion of him is based on very limited reps and for sure overreaction to his play at the Family Night getting walked back by LVN and handled by Enagbare the very next play.

Fact of the matter is Morgan wasn't drafted because Gute or anyone didn't want Walker at LT, it's been a rather consistent process here in GB of proactively grabbing athletic profiled tackle prospects and playing them at guard or tackle and eventually making it easy for us to let guys walk (Newman, Runyan, Yosh...and others going back farther).

One thing for sure is it is likely Morgan or Belton will be at LT at some point this year or for sure next....and Walker is likely out just from a fiscal stance it doesn't make sense to pay both tackles near top or top of the market deals.

 

[Voyageur]

Disagree - but not entirely for sure. Rasheed was plugged into LT well before I think anyone envisioned or desired he be there due to Bakh just not able to make it through 2022 (Walker's rookie year when we platooned the position). We've seen guys do decent as a rookie or first year starter their sophomore year and then faulter (Newman likely the most recent OL I can think of...and truthfully even Myers to a point).

Walker was a late round insurance pick on an experienced tackle with swing potential movement skills...who turned out to be more than capable and able to handle 2023 starting responsibilities before anyone desired him to - this also, and arguably most valuable, allowed Tom to play elsewhere as well and not have to start a new spot. However, when Morgan was drafted last year the expiring horizon of guys time in GB like Myers was evident and also most close to the scenario envisioned Morgan unseating Rhyan at RG in 2024 (which he essentially did or was going to demanding split time from the jump despite being a rookie) until one of or both Tom and Walker leave and Morgan would be given a chance to prove incapable or capable at LT or RT eventually.

To me Morgan is going to be a high level guard or could turn into a solid (Rasheed Walker level) LT at this point - BUT, to be fair my LT opinion of him is based on very limited reps and for sure overreaction to his play at the Family Night getting walked back by LVN and handled by Enagbare the very next play.

Fact of the matter is Morgan wasn't drafted because Gute or anyone didn't want Walker at LT, it's been a rather consistent process here in GB of proactively grabbing athletic profiled tackle prospects and playing them at guard or tackle and eventually making it easy for us to let guys walk (Newman, Runyan, Yosh...and others going back farther).

One thing for sure is it is likely Morgan or Belton will be at LT at some point this year or for sure next....and Walker is likely out just from a fiscal stance it doesn't make sense to pay both tackles near top or top of the market deals.

Yes. The "next man up" philosophy is practiced by the Packers when it comes to drafting. But that doesn't mean that you draft a guy intent on him replacing someone already installed as a starter, but quite often to be an understudy who can learn over a two-year period of time, then be ready to step in if it's time to part with the existing starter because he's aged out, hasn't shown the skills needed, or becomes too expensive to hold on to because of free agent money potential.

Some teams draft with the hope that the guy they pick can step in immediately and become a starter, but that's usually because they're weak at a specific position and are desperate to upgrade. Even then, good teams with a realistic degree of cap room will look to the free agent market for someone who can give them instant help to shore up that spot before they'll rely on the draft to fill the need.

Morgan and Belton, along with Monk, are all at a specific point in the learning curve and being prepared to be the next man up. Drafting any of them doesn't mean that they were expected to oust an existing starter the day they came into camp. It's "next man up" and the way a solid NFL franchise operates.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Watched Family Night livestreamed on Packers.com, last night.

- Valentine looked really good neutralizing Golden a few times, although overly "handsy" down field.
- Morgan was LT with the #1's (Walker sat out). LVN walked him back for a sack early on, after that Morgan held his own much better.
- Will Sheppard made some nice catches against #2/#3's.
- LB Jamon Johnson was very active & looked "special" against offensive 2's/3's.
- Early in 11 on 11's Golden had short gain on jet sweep... do not like that play that MLF continues running.
- Doubs made some nice catches.
- Clark lived in the backfield in 11 on 11's... schooled the entire interior #1 OL's.

I share your dislike of the jet sweep. While it may have worked in the past, players now are much faster and the play itself takes time to develop behind the LOS, allowing the defense to catch up. The play rarely produces more yards than an average running play, so why risk injury by basically turning a WR into a RB? Makes no sense to me but MLF sticks with it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Disagree - but not entirely for sure. Rasheed was plugged into LT well before I think anyone envisioned or desired he be there due to Bakh just not able to make it through 2022 (Walker's rookie year when we platooned the position). We've seen guys do decent as a rookie or first year starter their sophomore year and then faulter (Newman likely the most recent OL I can think of...and truthfully even Myers to a point).

Walker was a late round insurance pick on an experienced tackle with swing potential movement skills...who turned out to be more than capable and able to handle 2023 starting responsibilities before anyone desired him to - this also, and arguably most valuable, allowed Tom to play elsewhere as well and not have to start a new spot. However, when Morgan was drafted last year the expiring horizon of guys time in GB like Myers was evident and also most close to the scenario envisioned Morgan unseating Rhyan at RG in 2024 (which he essentially did or was going to demanding split time from the jump despite being a rookie) until one of or both Tom and Walker leave and Morgan would be given a chance to prove incapable or capable at LT or RT eventually.

To me Morgan is going to be a high level guard or could turn into a solid (Rasheed Walker level) LT at this point - BUT, to be fair my LT opinion of him is based on very limited reps and for sure overreaction to his play at the Family Night getting walked back by LVN and handled by Enagbare the very next play.

Fact of the matter is Morgan wasn't drafted because Gute or anyone didn't want Walker at LT, it's been a rather consistent process here in GB of proactively grabbing athletic profiled tackle prospects and playing them at guard or tackle and eventually making it easy for us to let guys walk (Newman, Runyan, Yosh...and others going back farther).

One thing for sure is it is likely Morgan or Belton will be at LT at some point this year or for sure next....and Walker is likely out just from a fiscal stance it doesn't make sense to pay both tackles near top or top of the market deals.

Yeah, Morgan wasn't drafted to specifically play LT. You provide a good history of how Walker came to be the starter. at the position

My guess is that Walker remains the starter at LT, and Morgan becomes like a "sixth man" in basketball for the OL - just for this season.

Walker will be hard to unseat unless he is injured. But with Jenkins almost surely gone next year, the Packers could move Rhyan to C and Morgan to RG next season. Or if they decide to let Walker leave in FA, Morgan could move to LT, although I think he'd be better at RG.

One thing Gluten accomplished in the offseason was building depth on the OL, with FA Banks and second round pick Belton. Good moves.

 

[Voyageur]

Yeah, Morgan wasn't drafted to specifically play LT. You provide a good history of how Walker came to be the starter. at the position

My guess is that Walker remains the starter at LT, and Morgan becomes like a "sixth man" in basketball for the OL - just for this season.

Walker will be hard to unseat unless he is injured. But with Jenkins almost surely gone next year, the Packers could move Rhyan to C and Morgan to RG next season. Or if they decide to let Walker leave in FA, Morgan could move to LT, although I think he'd be better at RG.

One thing Gluten accomplished in the offseason was building depth on the OL, with FA Banks and second round pick Belton. Good moves.

Good point on Morgan. He was not drafted as a LT even though they thought it might be possible for him to play the position. They thought more in terms of RT or one of the guard positions, more emphasis on guard because they indicated he had short arms, not conducive to playing LT particularly.

What we see is the Packers drafting offensive linemen that they think has the potential to play several positions, not as a lock on one position. By doing this, they are able to fill in the gaps along the line as needed, with better than average, or at least average linemen in the next man up philosophy. That's why we see so many of the Packer linemen listed in two or three positions, not locked in at one. Even the move of Jenkins to center is an example. He can essentially play any position from the left side through center, and with a little work, lock in on the right.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What we see is the Packers drafting offensive linemen that they think has the potential to play several positions, not as a lock on one position. By doing this, they are able to fill in the gaps along the line as needed, with better than average, or at least average linemen in the next man up philosophy.

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Over the years the Packers have done quite well with drafting and signing UDFA offensive lineman that can play multiple positions. The benefits of doing such go beyond just cap implications, it allows the team the ability to have their best 5 healthy OL on the field, no matter who goes down.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Golden had short gain on jet sweep... do not like that play that MLF continues running.

I'm not a big fan of it either, only because of the injury risk it seems to pose. However, I think with the addition of Savion Williams and Golden, we are going to see a more of it, rather than less. If you can get some success out of it, it really loosens up the defense and opens up the offense.

 

[Half Empty]

To me Morgan is going to be a high level guard or could turn into a solid (Rasheed Walker level) LT at this point - BUT, to be fair my LT opinion of him is based on very limited reps and for sure overreaction to his play at the Family Night getting walked back by LVN and handled by Enagbare the very next play.

Just thought it was interesting to read this, right after the following in another forum -
"Here to say that based on last night, that man still can't handle power. Got knocked back by LVN and (I think) Cox all night, even on the reps he won."

 

[Voyageur]

The jet sweep isn't necessarily considered a game breaker. Using it like the Packers do is simply to keep defenses honest, so they can't pinch the front 7 in and dominate the LOS. It forces defenses to honor the outside run because it's there, in the offensive arsenal. In simple terms, it's a message that you don't want to get comfortable playing tight to the ball.

 

[tynimiller]

The jet sweep isn't necessarily considered a game breaker. Using it like the Packers do is simply to keep defenses honest, so they can't pinch the front 7 in and dominate the LOS. It forces defenses to honor the outside run because it's there, in the offensive arsenal. In simple terms, it's a message that you don't want to get comfortable playing tight to the ball.

Precisely - it can set up certain pass options across the middle or even out depending on how the defense shift reacts to the motion.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hopefully, Jordan Love is fully healthy when the season starts. Now I don't want to see him running the ball a ton, but I do want to see him use his wheels more often than last season (wasn't 100% healthy). I am also not talking about dropping back to pass and scrambling for yardage due to coverage. I am talking about MLF calling a few RPO's for Love each game.

Much like the Jett sweep, this would be an added threat, that if successful, will loosen up the defense, as well as give the Packer offense a more diverse attack.

Yup, it might expose Jordan a bit more to injuries, but so does having him just drop back to (only) pass and the defense bears down on him.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Yes. The "next man up" philosophy is practiced by the Packers when it comes to drafting. But that doesn't mean that you draft a guy intent on him replacing someone already installed as a starter, but quite often to be an understudy who can learn over a two-year period of time, then be ready to step in if it's time to part with the existing starter because he's aged out, hasn't shown the skills needed, or becomes too expensive to hold on to because of free agent money potential.

Some teams draft with the hope that the guy they pick can step in immediately and become a starter, but that's usually because they're weak at a specific position and are desperate to upgrade. Even then, good teams with a realistic degree of cap room will look to the free agent market for someone who can give them instant help to shore up that spot before they'll rely on the draft to fill the need.

Morgan and Belton, along with Monk, are all at a specific point in the learning curve and being prepared to be the next man up. Drafting any of them doesn't mean that they were expected to oust an existing starter the day they came into camp. It's "next man up" and the way a solid NFL franchise operates.

That's exactly why he was drafted, I would suspect.

 

[El Guapo]

Precisely - it can set up certain pass options across the middle or even out depending on how the defense shift reacts to the motion.

We have this running back....don't know his name....Jacobs something or other....who salivates thinking about LBs having to respect the stretch plays so that he can put them on roller skates or steamroll them on runs up the middle.

 

[OldSchool101]

2 off of Willis, and one off of Love on a tipped pass to Julian Hicks. Hicks was the target on all 3 interceptions; poor guy didn't get much of a chance to make a case for himself. The 1st one (from Heath in the end zone) was just a bad pass, the second (Love) looked like it was batted out of his hands by Tyron Herring, and the third (Willis again) Brown just outfought him for the ball.

Sounds like we may end up keeping 2 of our UFDAs this year; Stackhouse is having one hell of a camp, and it's going to be hard to keep him off the roster. Lafleur really likes him.

Stack also fits a definitive need. He’s easily our biggest DL and would be a great Run Stuffer.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think Walker is an aboveaverage LT and those are hard to find but Gute doesn't seem to feel the same way and so the Packers might as well get some value from him in a trade rather than letting him walk in free agency (and please, I don't want to hear about compensatory picks).

I think GB should (and will) hold onto Walker. This isn’t the season to be trading starting LT’s trying to better some futuristic draft capital by maybe 1 RD. As far as dismissing a 3rd or 4th Rounder Draft selection as “not important”? I have a feeling there’s some other motivation there because that statement makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[OldSchool101]

Packers sign CB Corey Ballentine

Green Bay releases CB Gregory Junior

www.packers.com

I think this was a wise decision. He has intricate playbook knowledge and he’s a 6yr? Veteran DB.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think GB should (and will) hold onto Walker. This isn’t the season to be trading starting LT’s trying to better some futuristic draft capital by maybe 1 RD. As far as dismissing a 3rd or 4th Rounder Draft selection as “not important”? I have a feeling there’s some other motivation there because that statement makes absolutely zero sense.

Never said it wasn't important on its own. But when looking at a major trade like sending first round picks to a team for one of the 5 best defenders in the NFL (and he's just entering his prime years) I think a future 3rd round draft pick is sort of irrelevant to the broader discussion.

 

[OldSchool101]

Never said it wasn't important on its own. But when looking at a major trade like sending first round picks to a team for one of the 5 best defenders in the NFL (and he's just entering his prime years) I think a future 3rd round draft pick is sort of irrelevant to the broader discussion.

Oh you mean the trading Walker in a player exchange scenario for Parsons? Oh I agree in a hypothetical If I’m a team going “All-In” I suppose it’s less important for sure. I thought you meant trading Walker to a team for a Draft pick, which you’d lose your compensatory etc.