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Ryan Grant

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by chibiabos, May 14, 2008.

  1. kewlbeans
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    ^^ I agree with this assessment of the situation.

    These contract disputes have become far more complicated. So many different factors should be considered and not just a "cookie cutter" policy across the board.
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    Again, show me where it says there has been anything close to a 'dispute'.
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    how has Green Bay lowballed Ryan Grant?

    he was rotting on NY Giants bench and we signed him to a contract that valued him as exactly what he was. A backup. Now because he had 8 games that were well above average, we should sign him to a 6 year 80 million dollar contract??

    No he signed the contract, he played well. thats all there is to this story.
    IF he continues to perform, i have zero doubts that he will be paid accordingly.

    you act as if we signed Grant after his performance in Green Bay. I dont even understand this argument really. He was nobody before we signed him, now we are lowballing him after 8 games. If we had signed him for about 3 years 4 mil per.... do you think he was gonna give some of the money back if he didnt perform up to his contract .... NO

    here in Green Bay our management is smart. we dont waste money... we dont sign stupid contracts because ESPN said a guy was good... and we win ball games.
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    If A-Rodgers tosses say.....17 Td, 0 Ints and about 2000 yards in the 1st 8 games, I want people to DEMAND the Packers re-do his deal

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    I am willing to DEMAND a new contract if he goes 13 or so TDs, 3 or 4 INTs and about 1800 yards...
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    You know I really think TT has earned enough respect to let him deal with this thing the way he wants to do it. Like Bozz says where is there turmoil here?
    How many guys does TT need to extend with perfectly appropriate contracts for a player or a fan to see he's going to get them what they deserve?

    He has shown the world he builds from within and pays the players the team wants to hold onto for several years. It's like his slogan or whatever. He is capable of doing this because of how he runs the team and how he controls the money.

    Just because TT isn't dealing with Grant right at this second doesn't mean it's unfair on the Packers part or even not the right thing to do. It's business. You always bargain from a position of power and TT is not going to be stupid enough to jump the gun on this thing when there is nothing out there that says he has to.

    Just ask Kampman and Harris and Driver and the other guys TT's dealt with. Hell there didn't have to be no war for things to work out. I doubt there will be here either. Highly doubt it. I believe Mr. Grant will be a Packer for a very long time.
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    I don't think Ryan Grant is thinking like you but for fun let's just assume he is.

    He'll have to wait at least two year before getting his chance to go somewhere else. That's along time for nothing to happen and that's along time for Grant to sit out which we all know he won't because he'll end up losing more money than really gaining.

    I say all the power to Grant if he wants to leave. If Grant does become the real deal, Green Bay can slap the franchise tag on him and trade him for a 2nd round pick like they did with Corey Williams this past year. I have no doubt that at age 27 or 28 he'll have value especially if he's lived up to the hype and I actually think he will.

    GB gave a 6th rounder to get him and in the end they could end up with a lot higher pick for him if it plays out like that. If that ends up happening two years down the road it wouldn't bother me one bit. RB's are a dime of a dozen. Ryan Grant is an example of that.

    Though chances are Ryan Grant will agree to a long term deal. If he doesn't, Green Bay will use him to get something for him. That's how the NFL works and that's how a good team manages the situation whether it's right or wrong.
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    Well it wasn't as if the Packers could offer Grant anything other than an exclusive rights tender that would pay him the minimum...

    What were the Packers to do? Franchise Grant? Wouldn't work since the Packers used the franchise tag on Corey Williams, and it'd be a stupid business move to franchise a player that has only performed for half a season.

    Apply Grant with the Transition tag? That'd be pretty stupid, seeing as the Packers invested a sixth round pick in Grant and even allowing for the possibility of letting him to get away (after only one year at that) without anything in return would've been a dumb move.

    I'm pretty sure that since Grant was an exclusive rights free agent, the Packers could only offer one type of exclusive rights tender, and that is the one they offered.

    Once again NodakPaul, you are basing your opinion on a story which you don't really have a ton of insight to. I'm sure if Grant felt he was being low-balled, he'd have spoken out. Grant has said nothing, he hasn't even given a hint of being dissatisfied with how this process has played out.
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    Ryan Grant will NOT miss any game time due to his contract.
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    I agree Zero.
    I think this whole "story" is just alot of nothing. Grant hasn't said he wants out, and I bet his agent is trying to get a deal for him. Thats the agent's job, to get the best for his client (thus the best cut for himself).
    It's the off season, and they have to find SOMETHING to talk about. It will all be worked out in the end.
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    The same thing that is happening with Grant is happening with Earnest Graham in Tampa Bay. Both the Packers and Bucs have plenty of cap room to do a long term deal with both backs. But both teams want to make sure it is a FAIR deal, based on ONE year of excellent production. I think deals wll be done in both cases, but the Packer also need to use some of their cap room for other players like Greg Jennings in terms of contract extensions. I also think the Packers are pretty happy with their depth at RB. Jackson really came on late in the year, and I expect Morency, Wynn and Herron to battle it out for the 3rd RB job.
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    Yup!
    You want to make sure you don't over pay for a RB. (Or any position for that matter) It's early, and I believe that the Packer front office will address this situation. Who knows, maybe something is in the works right now. Just because we don't hear it doesn't mean nothing is getting done.
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    Exactly how I feel. He played well, but he only played half a season. He has to show the office he can keep it up through to mid season and I agree they upper office will gladly offer him more money.
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    It still befuddles me how some can look at the job TT has done and question his tactics.

    The same people who screamed bloody murder over his dealings with Walker, Wahle and Rivera, are now making noise in their ever-so-predictable manner.

    Let's review those transactions:

    Walker - A proven head-case who does not play well with others. Alienates himself from teammates, coaches and management with selfish nature. A true reflection of his 9 Wonderlic score....he just does not process his situation(s) well and makes too many ripples in the pond. Score one for Ted!

    Rivera - A fan favorite, and onetime great player. Got paid a fortune by Dallas to sit with back and knee issues. A player who was CLEARLY in decline, and yet got paid like a healthy player entering his prime. Good for Marco (Thanks, Jerry!) and good for the Pack. Score another for Ted!

    Wahle - A player in the backside of his prime who, for several seasons, indicated not so secretly that he did not want to be in GB..."I don't feel appreciated by the organization"...waaaaahhhh....while being paid quite handsomely. Went to Carolina, got paid a fortune, and began to show noticeable decline his first year there. Three for three for Teddy T!!

    Grant appeares to be the real deal, and the Packers have a long history of taking care of their own...and very well, I might add! Show us a little more this year, Ryan, and you too shall be rewarded. In the meantime, quit your whining and posturing, do the work, show the team you are no flash in the pan, and reap the rewards.
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    I was right there with you, up to the last sentence. I agree that people are making a big deal out of absolutely nothing, but Grant hasn't been whining. Not at all. There was one blurb, about two months ago, I think, on PFT, about Grant, that he had no contract, and that one wouldn't be signed in the near future. There was no whining. Grant hasn't made any noise, the Packer's FO hasn't made any noise. There is no indication that there is anything amiss in Packerland as it regards Ryan Grant. You know the saying, "where there's smoke, there's fire"; show me some smoke. I haven't seen any, indicating that there is no fire. I think we're all just a little nervous, because we know Grant has potential and we want him to stick with the team. When it comes to situations like this, fan reaction is typically "no news = bad news". Everybody just needs to relax, and let TT take care of business.
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    haha why is this thread still going?
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    Hopefully this situation will be resolved with no disputes on either side. You just never know with RBs. They are replaceable, but some are special enough to be entitled to a payday. Grant should receive some benefit for carrying our team's running game into the NFC Championship. However, 1 good year doesn't warrant anything huge, and if given, definitely would hurt the Packers if he gets injured in the near future.

    I know this situation will not be anything like the McKenzie/Walker deals.

    There should be a good deal for both sides done sometime soon(more-so the Packers side because they have a lot of leverage).
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    Grant's agent is meeting with the Packers this week. He will hopefully get a raise and be working on the field before the end of OTAs (instead of just sitting on the sidelines watching), or at worst, be here ready to go for the start of training camp.

    I doubt he'll get a blockbuster deal like Barber got, but I could definitely see an incentive laden deal with escaltors if he meets certain benchmarks over the course of the year with a modest (albeit not exorbitant) bump in base salary.

    You know how TT and his negociating staff love to do those incentive laden deals!
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    Different situation for sure.. but his agent lacks any type of leverage, so if they sign a contract it will favor the Packers at this point. I like Grants approach, showing up and working in the weight room and staying with the team.. again, it is a product of the Players Union selling out the younger players for a select few younger players.

    Those that come in and earn the money have little leverage.. while those drafted high, are more so than not underplaying their contract. Out of this whole CBA mess.. I hope this is one thing that gets dealt with.. staight pegged contracts for rookies comming in.. then after a couple of years, let them get paid what they have earned.


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    Lets look at some salaries on the team for 2008.

    Jennings - 445,000
    Jones - 370,000
    Collins - 520,000
    Hall - 370,000

    The offer to Grant is not out of line for his time served.
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    Let's not forget Atari Bigby's making something like $475,000 and he'll make the Pro Bowl in '08 (my prediction for '08).

    Negotiating with Grant before the season starts is a bad idea. He hasn't even played a whole year yet. This sends a bad message to the rest of the team.
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    I really dont see any problem with this. He's not holding out or doing anything horrible like that. He's showing up for all of the team activities that they will let him do. He seems like a really smart guy(for nfl standards atleast) and is going about this the best way possible. Its understandable that he wants a better deal than the min. he was 2nd in rushing in the entire nfl for hte last half of the season, while a half of a season isnt much, i think that atleast deserves consideration for a slightly better than min contract. We all know that the average lifespan for running backs can be very short, so from his end it makes a lot of sense to try and negotiate for a better deal, they give him and offer and he countered, its not like he was already under contract and is now holding out or making threats or anything even remotely negative in my mind.

    Now having said all of that i think he may be hurting his longterm value by trying to get a better contract right now, i feel like if he plays another great season they will give him a very nice contract, and while i feel they will probabbly offer him something more than the min this seasons, it seems like he could potentially get less over the long term going this route. But all things considered this is a guy who spend all of 2006 on IR and didnt even play a down, he knows full well the advantages of getting paid while you're in good standings with a team and healthy.

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