Jules
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Some people really like themselves a cool Brees.
Brees doesn't have a better defense than Rodgers.Brees will not win the MVP, if he does there should be an investigation.
He has a better oline than Rodgers, a better defense than Rodgers, and a better run game than Rodgers. Yet his team hasn't won as many games, he doesn't have as many TD passes as Rodgers, he has over twice the interceptions, he plays in a dome.....
Rodgers succeeds and wins in spite of the rest of the team. Protection has been awful, receivers are probably top 3 in the league in passes dropped, defense can' stop anybody. Yet Rodgers can continually hang 30+ on opposing teams without breaking a sweat.
And for the millionth time why should the yards record matter in terms of player value? What is valuable about passing yards? They don't win games. Scoring does and Rodgers is #1 in that category.
Also given the fact that on Sunday, Tom Brady will also break Marino's previously held record, it will mean even less because Brees is not the only player that was able to do it.
"I think if Coach does decide to limit my playing time, it would be a good opportunity for Matt to get a chance to play and play an extended amount of time," Rodgers said. "He started last year against New England and played excellent. I've said it before, I think he has a bright future in this league as an NFL starter."
So it looks like on ESPN' sportsnation poll, Brees is edging or tied with Rodgers on who is having a more impressive season. Yes Brees is doing something impressive, by breaking the passing yards record...however much more to a quarterback than that, plus you must look at how he got that many yards.
By the Numbers
Yards:
Brees 5,087 yards over Rodgers 4,643 yards (Brees has 9.56% more yards than Rodgers)
Completions:
Brees 440 completions over Rodgers 343 completions (Brees has 28.7% more completions than Rodgers)
Completion %:
Brees 70.7% over Rodgers 68.3% (%'s speak for themselves)
Yards Per attempt:
Rodgers 9.25 yards per attempt over Brees 8.18 yards per attempt (Rodgers has 13.1% more yards per attempt than Brees)
Interceptions:
Brees 13 interceptions over Rodgers 6 interceptions (Brees has 116.7% more interceptions than Rodgers)
Touchdowns:
Rodgers 45 touchdowns over Brees 41 touchdowns (Rodgers has 9.75% more touchdowns than Brees)
Touchdown to Interception Ratio
Rodgers 7.5:1 over Brees 3.15:1 (ratios..speak for themselves, Rodgers ratio is nearly two and half times better)
Interception % (Interceptions/Attempts)
Brees 2.95% over Rodgers 1.75% (%'s speak for themselves)
Passer Rating:
Rodgers 122.5 rating over Brees 108.4 (Rodgers has a 13% greater rating...if you want to calculate it that way...)
Rushing Yards:
Rodgers 257 yards over Brees 81 yards (Rodgers has 217% more rushing yards than Brees)
Rushing Yards per attempt:
Rodgers 4.3 yards per attempt over Brees 4.1 yards per attempt (Rogers has 4.9% more rushing yards per attempt than Brees)
Rushing Touchdowns:
Rodgers 3 touchdowns over Brees 1 touchdown (3 times as many TD's for Rodgers)
Total Touchdowns:
Rodgers 48 touchdowns over Brees 42 touchdowns (14.3% more touchdowns for Rodgers than Brees)
Wins:
Rodgers 14 wins over Brees 12 wins
Head to head:
Rodgers 1-0 versus Brees 0-1
The only category Brees dominates in completions over Rodgers and has the advantage is passing yards and completion rate. However, Rodgers averages more yards per attempt, negating a lot of Brees' advantage in that category (granted he did break the record...). However, Rodgers dominates in TD to INT ratio, passer rating, yards per passing attempt, (the lack of) interceptions and total touchdowns. Rodgers has the advantage in wins, passing touchdowns, rushing touchdowns, yards per rushing attempt, and has the head to head win. Rodgers will likely break the passer rating record as well.
FOXBORO —New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees has thrown for an NFL-record 5,087 yards – and he still has another 300 yards in his future (at home versus Carolina on Sunday).
New England quarterback Tom Brady has hoisted a team handicapped by the league’s worst defense up on his shoulders and carried it to an AFC-leading 12 wins in 15 games – including a seven-game winning streak heading into Sunday’s regular-season finale with Buffalo at Gillette Stadium.
And the 2011 league MVP award should go to neither one of them.
The 2011 league MVP trophy belongs in Mr. Rodgers’ neighborhood.
With last Sunday night’s career-high five-touchdown performance against the Chicago Bears behind a makeshift line (Brady knows that feeling), Aaron Rodgers helped the Packers secure the top seed in the NFC playoffs, making his game with the Detroit Lions in Green Bay as significant as their preseason opener with Cleveland back on Aug. 13.
In another “Brett Who?” campaign, Rodgers has set single-season records for a legendary franchise with 4,643 yards passing and 45 touchdowns while throwing just six interceptions.
Posting 13 games with a quarterback rating of 100-plus along the way, Rodgers boasts an overall rating of 122.5 that exceeds Peyton Manning’s league-record 121.1 with Indianapolis in 2004.
Rodgers brings an added element to his game, adding 257 yards rushing, 4.3 per carry, with three TDs.
All of this while burdened by a defense that isn’t dead last in the NFL only because the Patriots are in the league.
If Rodgers’ passing numbers – most notably TDs to interceptions – look familiar, they should.
During his first of two MVP campaigns, that magical 2007 regular season, Brady threw for 4,806 yards and 50 TDs with eight interceptions, compiling a passer rating of 117.2 in a year in which the Patriots’ offense made the scoreboard look like a pinball machine.
Now, Brees’ supporters will point to the fact that he broke a 27-year-old league record that was held by a Hall of Fame quarterback (Miami’s Dan Marino).
As anyone who watched him perform in the Saints’ 45-16 romp over Atlanta in New Orleans on Monday night can attest, Brees is making it look easy in “The Big Easy.”
Brady’s supporters will point to the fact that he hasn’t broken under the pressure of having to constantly put up points to overcome a defense that cannot prevent them while running an offense whose running game is modest at best (ranked 19th in the league).
As anyone who’s seen the Patriots play for any length of time this season can attest, Brady (whose career-high 4,897 yards exceeds Rodgers’ 4,643 and have him within shouting distance of Brees) is bringing hope to a team that is utterly defenseless.
With their teams still playing for playoff-seeding purposes, Brees and Brady will no doubt improve their numbers this Sunday; in Rodgers’ case, what you see may very well be what you’ve got.
Still, Rodgers’ 45-to-6 TD-to-interception ratio – a ratio that blows awa Brees’ 41-to-13 and Brady’s 36-to-11; heck, it’s even better than Brady’s 50-to-8 in 2007 – for a team that will lead the NFL in regular-season wins with either 14 or 15 cannot be overlooked.
In any other year, a season like Brees’ and Brady’s would be cause for them to be dusting off their mantels; not this year.
Give Brees the record, give Brady credit, but give Rodgers the MVP.
He has a better oline than Rodgers, a better defense than Rodgers...
I think Brees wins it easily on the percentage completion, but one thing no one is going to mention is that Rodgers don't really have much of a running game...
So Brees should win because he has completed about 3% more of his passes??? Even though Rodgers completely out-performs him in every single other efficiency statistic (td/int ratio, td/attemps, int/attempts, qb rating)? You think 3% is all that matters? REALLY? I sure hope you're being facetious, otherwise that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
BTW, our run game is just fine. We simply don't use it that much.
I have a bad feeling Brees is going to win even though I dont think he should.
With that, by the slimmest of margins, Drew Brees is the 2011 NFL MVP.
As it stands, Rodgers probably will win the league's most prestigious individual award anyway. He has had a fantastic season. It is his award to lose.
But Drew Brees is equally deserving. If New Orleans wins its last two regular-season games, against Atlanta and Carolina, and -- as expected -- Brees obliterates Dan Marino's 27-year-old record for passing yards in a season, I will be hard-pressed to vote for Rodgers over Brees.
This is what I'm talking about.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...saints-record-breaking-offense-seals-the-deal
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7383377/overlook-brees-nfl-mvp
And these are from people who probably have votes.
Like Brees, Rodgers has been outstanding, and he probably will be most voters' selection for MVP. The Packers are 13-1, and Rodgers has thrown 40 touchdown passes and just six interceptions and is on the brink of setting an NFL record for passer rating in a season. Rodgers has been efficient, accurate, relentless and consistently good. One bad game against the Chiefs doesn't change that.
I'm not saying that it's totally for non-football reasons that they give Brees the MVP, but that the non-football reasons may tip the scales in his direction.
Saints suck on pass defense as much as we do.
Bogart: I'm not sure I agree with you that Rodgers has thrown more TD's than Brees because the Saints run it in more. Rodgers has 3 rushing TDs. Brees has 1. Brees actually gets more chances than Rodgers, you can't ignore that when you start making claims like that.
I would think that Drew's numbers went up in NOLA for reasons other than the stadium. You are necessarily putting a lot of emphasis on the turf since San Diego's weather is near perfect at any given moment of the year.
Dont think the bleacher reporter has a vote, by the"reporters" name, he is a Lions fan
So how is it a non voter from Bleacher and a ESPN reporter that says Rodgers will win translates to Brees will win it?
I like Brees and he is good, but he doesn't deserve it over Rodgers this year or even over Brady for that matter.