With their 1st Pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the Packers select...

[GleefulGary]

I disagree but thats your opinion. If it was up to you we would be fielding the smallest team in the NFL and would get pushed all over the field. Great college playera don't always equate to great NFL players

I will take speed over size too sometimes but it needs be done with the correct premise. Im not interested in building a "Mickey Mouse Roster"

What?

Can you at least try to have an intelligent discussion?

Find where I said I want small players. Please. I like good players. You're just making stuff up, and providing fluff arguments because you're talking out of your ***.

 

[GleefulGary]

Apparently because I like Harold Landry at #14, I just want small players and a Mickey Mouse roster.

Who knew?!

 

[GleefulGary]

Oh. And my WR1, DJ Moore, is too small at 6'0 210 to succeed in the frigid winters of Green Bay.

Cobb at 5'10 190 has done ok though.

I guess Greg Jennings did ok even though he was 5'11 and 197. But don't you dare weigh 190 pounds! You won't make it in the freezing winters. I don't know how Antonio Brown could ever do well in Pittsburgh. Good thing that's such a warm place. I think I'll vacation there next winter.

 

[Dantés]

Oh. And my WR1, DJ Moore, is too small at 6'0 210 to succeed in the frigid winters of Green Bay.

Cobb at 5'10 190 has done ok though.

I guess Greg Jennings did ok even though he was 5'11 and 197. But don't you dare weigh 190 pounds! You won't make it in the freezing winters. I don't know how Antonio Brown could ever do well in Pittsburgh. Good thing that's such a warm place. I think I'll vacation there next winter.

Pittsburgh is practically Disney Land with all those Mickey Mouse players!

 

[brandon2348]

This whole thing started because Dante posted a mock draft 1-13 where there was run on all the top defensive players that pretty much everyone is goo goo gah gah for. In that situation I dont think its out of this stratasphere to entertain using our pick on Sutton which fits a bigger need then some people realize.

This whole damn "we gotta draft defense with our top pick no matter what" is ridiculous. On top of that it doesnt guarantee having a good defense because if it did we would have a top 5 defense by now.

But go ahead and continue playing out the definition of insanity. Its quite entertaining.

 

[Dantés]

This whole thing started because Dante posted a mock draft 1-13 where there was run on all the top defensive players that pretty much everyone is goo goo gah gah for. In that situation I dont think its out of this stratasphere to entertain using our pick on Sutton which fits a bigger need then some people realize.

This whole damn "we gotta draft defense with our top pick no matter what" is ridiculous. On top of that it doesnt guarantee having a good defense because if it did we would have a top 5 defense by now.

But go ahead and continue playing out the definition of insanity. Its quite entertaining.

So you're saying the "sane" thing to do would be to rule out the defensive side of the ball.

LOL

 

[brandon2348]

Luckily for me the Dinosaurs Thompson and Capers are gone so I expect things to go differently and more towards what makes sense and winning Super Bowls opposed to "Panic Mode Drafting" and lets just draft defense until we can get it right.

 

[Dantés]

What if we just went crazy and drafted the best player available at a usable position?

 

[GleefulGary]

This whole thing started because Dante posted a mock draft 1-13 where there was run on all the top defensive players that pretty much everyone is goo goo gah gah for. In that situation I dont think its out of this stratasphere to entertain using our pick on Sutton which fits a bigger need then some people realize.

This whole damn "we gotta draft defense with our top pick no matter what" is ridiculous. On top of that it doesnt guarantee having a good defense because if it did we would have a top 5 defense by now.

But go ahead and continue playing out the definition of insanity. Its quite entertaining.

It's less of a "we need to draft defense" and more of a "Sutton isn't good enough for #14" thing, but you can't seem to figure that out.

I had offensive players on my list of who I would take, if that makes you feel better.

 

[GleefulGary]

I wish we had a GM like John Schneider that had won us one Super Bowl like them Seahawks did. Damn shame that Teddy never won a Super Bowl. Damn shame.

 

[GleefulGary]

What if we just went crazy and drafted the best player available at a usable position?

I for one would have no issue drafting a WR at #14 if I thought there was one good enough to take there.

I just don't think there's one that is good enough.

 

[brandon2348]

So you're saying the "sane" thing to do would be to rule out the defensive side of the ball.

LOL

No im saying i would rather take the top receiver in the draft then maybe the 3rd or 4th db or an edge rusher that is far from elite as well.

 

[GleefulGary]

No im saying i would rather take the top receiver in the draft then maybe the 3rd or 4th db or an edge rusher that is far from elite as well.

*the top WR in your opinion

*the 3rd or 4th DB in your opinion

*an edge that is far from elite in your opinion

*a WR that is far from elite, in my opinion


Now, if you didn't notice, the key part here is that those rankings are all your opinion! Your opinion, my opinion, in the real world, mean jack **** on this topic.

 

[GleefulGary]

Btw...what is Sutton elite at other than his size?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[brandon2348]

Btw...what is Sutton elite at other than his size?

It was stated in video of the guys you called "schmucks". His 3 cone is elite for a guy his size. He is also elite in the sense that he did everything well in combine. On the filed he has "elite body control" and is one of the most fluid players ive seen of a guy his size. He is also elite in his physicality after the catch and manhandling DB's in open field. He is a beast. His catch radius is close to elite and he wins 50/50 balls which AR12 loves to throw. He is elite in making acrobatic catches as well. He can play all 3 receiver positions which is very important in Packer offense. He is a willing and a good blocker. So not only does he do so much he is a good scheme fit which is as important to how "elite he is".

Maybe most importantly he has "elite work ethic" which is what made all the greats great like Jerry Rice. Now im not comparing him to Jerry Rice but the sky is the limit for this Sutton kid.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It was stated in video of the guys you called "schmucks". His 3 cone is elite for a guy his size. He is also elite in the sense that he did everything well in combine. On the filed he has "elite body control" and is one of the most fluid players ive seen of a guy his size. He is also elite in his physicality after the catch and manhandling DB's in open field. He is a beast. His catch radius is close to elite and he wins 50/50 balls which AR12 loves to throw. He is elite in making acrobatic catches as well. He can play all 3 receiver positions which is very important in Packer offense. He is a willing and a good blocker. So not only does he do so much he is a good scheme fit which is as important to how "elite he is".

Maybe most importantly he has "elite work ethic" which is what made all the greats great like Jerry Rice. Now im not comparing him to Jerry Rice but the sky is the limit for this Sutton kid.

I'm starting to get the feeling you are high on this Sutton kid?

 

[Dantés]

No im saying i would rather take the top receiver in the draft then maybe the 3rd or 4th db or an edge rusher that is far from elite as well.

And if I saw Sutton that way, I'd agree with you. But I don't. But rather than accepting it, you say crap like this:

Luckily for me the Dinosaurs Thompson and Capers are gone so I expect things to go differently and more towards what makes sense and winning Super Bowls opposed to "Panic Mode Drafting" and lets just draft defense until we can get it right.

 

[brandon2348]

And if I saw Sutton that way, I'd agree with you. But I don't. But rather than accepting it, you say crap like this:

Yeah im not happy with those two clowns to say the least. They have cost us Super Bowl Championships and its going to be obvious to all in the near future. There combined approach to defense was like pumping gas into a tank with a hole in the tank the size of a basketball. It was total failure for several years.

Tired of wasting all these picks.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fo what it is worth, Mel Kiper's most recent top WR's . I was shocked to see Lasley as his #2. While the kid is talented, he had a lot of off the field issues, as well as Rosen throwing to him.

Wide receivers
1. * Calvin Ridley, Alabama
2. * Jordan Lasley, UCLA
3. James Washington, Oklahoma State
4. * Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
5. * D.J. Moore, Maryland
6. * Courtland Sutton, SMU
7. Dante Pettis, Washington
8. D.J. Chark, LSU
9. DaeSean Hamilton, Penn State
10. Michael Gallup, Colorado State

 

[GleefulGary]

It was stated in video of the guys you called "schmucks". His 3 cone is elite for a guy his size. He is also elite in the sense that he did everything well in combine. On the filed he has "elite body control" and is one of the most fluid players ive seen of a guy his size. He is also elite in his physicality after the catch and manhandling DB's in open field. He is a beast. His catch radius is close to elite and he wins 50/50 balls which AR12 loves to throw. He is elite in making acrobatic catches as well. He can play all 3 receiver positions which is very important in Packer offense. He is a willing and a good blocker. So not only does he do so much he is a good scheme fit which is as important to how "elite he is".

Maybe most importantly he has "elite work ethic" which is what made all the greats great like Jerry Rice. Now im not comparing him to Jerry Rice but the sky is the limit for this Sutton kid.

Wow! That's pretty good!!

So with all of those attributes, how come he went for 6-89-2 against TCU, Stephen F Austin, Arkansas State, and Memphis? And why did he go for 5-46-0 against Mike Hughes of UCF who is only 5'10 and 190? One would think a WR with the qualities you stated plus 5" and 30 lbs on little Mike Hughes would do better than 5-46-0.

Please explain how that could happen.

 

[Dantés]

Yeah im not happy with those two clowns to say the least. They have cost us Super Bowl Championships and its going to be obvious to all in the near future. There combined approach to defense was like pumping gas into a tank with a hole in the tank the size of a basketball. It was total failure for several years.

Tired of wasting all these picks.

It's such horrible logic to say that because some defensive picks haven't fixed the defense we should pass on drafting defense. Regardless of the side of the ball, they should draft the best players that fit their team needs. It just so happens that most everyone believes the best players in this class other than Nelson, Barkley, and the QB's play on the defensive side of the ball. I happen to agree with them. For the ten thousandth time, I don't have an issue with taking an offensive player if they're good enough. In my opinion, Sutton isn't. If anyone is illogically married to one side of the ball, it's you with this argument that we must take a receiver because the picks spent on defense haven't fixed the defense. Yes, the scheme was a huge problem and that's been addressed in Pettine. That doesn't mean that personnel on defense is no longer a consideration.

 

[Dantés]

Fo what it is worth, Mel Kiper's most recent top WR's . I was shocked to see Lasley as his #2. While the kid is talented, he had a lot of off the field issues, as well as Rosen throwing to him.

Wide receivers
1. * Calvin Ridley, Alabama
2. * Jordan Lasley, UCLA
3. James Washington, Oklahoma State
4. * Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
5. * D.J. Moore, Maryland
6. * Courtland Sutton, SMU
7. Dante Pettis, Washington
8. D.J. Chark, LSU
9. DaeSean Hamilton, Penn State
10. Michael Gallup, Colorado State

What that likely means, in my opinion, is that a source told Kiper that teams have big grades on Lasley. My impression on Kiper and McShay is that they don't really watch and assess prospects as much as just create rankings based on what they're hearing. I believe they're more reporters on rumor than actual draft analysts like Jeremiah, Zierlein, Waldman, Norris, etc.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What that likely means, in my opinion, is that a source told Kiper that teams have big grades on Lasley. My impression on Kiper and McShay is that they don't really watch and assess prospects as much as just create rankings based on what they're hearing. I believe they're more reporters on rumor than actual draft analysts like Jeremiah, Zierlein, Waldman, Norris, etc.

Could be and I don't have one reporter/news source that I really trust over another. Just like all of us here, everyone has different opinions based on different things, no exact science to it. But if teams have big grades on someone like Lasley, isn't that an indication he is high on some boards?

 

[brandon2348]

Wow! That's pretty good!!

So with all of those attributes, how come he went for 6-89-2 against TCU, Stephen F Austin, Arkansas State, and Memphis? And why did he go for 5-46-0 against Mike Hughes of UCF who is only 5'10 and 190? One would think a WR with the qualities you stated plus 5" and 30 lbs on little Mike Hughes would do better than 5-46-0.

Please explain how that could happen.

Ummm, maybe he had a bad game. Maybe his QB couldn't get him the ball? Maybe there was pressure up front that distorted passing lanes? Maybe they were giving Hughes help over the top? Probably a combination of many things. There isnt a single prospect in this draft that gets an A+ on every play and every game.

My reasons for not liking Vea go deeper then the Penn State game btw.