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Ware, Miller and Beasley? Really? There is more to it than comparing numbers.

Come on man. You act like you are taking it personally. So I don't like the guy you want. Big deal. I think for you and Janis to act like there is no risk is absurd. I think he will go after pick 25. I think he will have less than 5 sacks as a rookie. I think he is a part time player.

When healthy, Landry’s closest comps in terms of strengths, weaknesses, style, and athleticism are guys like Ware, Miller, and Beasley. If you disagree tell me why.

I’m not taking it personal. I’m just telling you it’s a bad take. You’re saying he’s a pass first defender and thus only interested in money and fame and thus a bust-to-be? You don’t see how that’s a crazy leap?

And for the record, no one is saying he’s risk free. There is no such thing.
 

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When healthy, Landry’s closest comps in terms of strengths, weaknesses, style, and athleticism are guys like Ware, Miller, and Beasley. If you disagree tell me why.

I’m not taking it personal. I’m just telling you it’s a bad take. You’re saying he’s a pass first defender and thus only interested in money and fame and thus a bust-to-be? You don’t see how that’s a crazy leap?

And for the record, no one is saying he’s risk free. There is no such thing.
the logic is he does not appear to be interested in being a complete player (not my words BTW). I prefer a player who plays because he loves the game and is very competitive and wants to win.

For you to imply he is at Von Miller's level is a much bigger leap IMHO.

How about a sig bet? Either 25.5+/- draft position or 5.5 +/- sacks as a rookie?
 

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the logic is he does not appear to be interested in being a complete player (not my words BTW). I prefer a player who plays because he loves the game and is very competitive and wants to win.

For you to imply he is at Von Miller's level is a much bigger leap IMHO.

How about a sig bet? Either 25.5+/- draft position or 5.5 +/- sacks as a rookie?

I wouldn't do a production bet because so much of that depends on which team drafts him, and his role there...but I would bet my life savings (all $25) that he's drafted before 25. I'll take the under on 25.5 all day long. You're on bud.


And who's saying he doesn't want to be a complete player? That's bunk. Some guys are just better at certain things than others. That's ok. Weaknesses are good to know, but let players win where they win.
 

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I wouldn't do a production bet because so much of that depends on which team drafts him, and his role there...but I would bet my life savings (all $25) that he's drafted before 25. I'll take the under on 25.5 all day long. You're on bud.


And who's saying he doesn't want to be a complete player? That's bunk. Some guys are just better at certain things than others. That's ok. Weaknesses are good to know, but let players win where they win.
It's a deal. From day after 1st round to the opening day kickoff your sig shall be, if you lose, "I have learned to trust Amishmafia regarding NFL draft prospects."
 

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the logic is he does not appear to be interested in being a complete player (not my words BTW). I prefer a player who plays because he loves the game and is very competitive and wants to win.

For you to imply he is at Von Miller's level is a much bigger leap IMHO.

How about a sig bet? Either 25.5+/- draft position or 5.5 +/- sacks as a rookie?

I’ve never noticed a lack of interest in being a complete player. Nor have I read that about him. If he’s a character concern, then that might be a good reason to pass. I'm just not aware of that being the case. If you are, I'm all ears.

To be clear, I'm not comparing him to Von Miller, the pro. I'm comparing the prospects. Coming out, Miller was very similar to Landry and not just athletically (though there is that). They both had significantly better seasons the year before their last one. And Miller had some similar concerns as a run defender, specifically in handling drive blocking heads up (which is super normal for these ~250 lb edge players in college). Like Landry, he was much better as a chase and tackle run defender. If they were in the same class, Miller would certainly be the higher rated prospect, but they are pretty similar. Beasley is an even closer comparison in my opinion. Both Landry and Beasley are speed rushers who don't (or didn't, in the latter's case) have much of a plan as a pass rusher beyond winning outside. Landry is marginally thicker and stronger at the POA and Beasley was marginally more athletic. Beasley went 8th.

But yes, the sig bet sounds fun. Some questions:

1. Shouldn't we do 5.25 sacks? Because 5.5 is actually possible.
2. What happens if we're half right? If he goes 20th and has 5 sacks or if he goes 30th and has 8 sacks, who wins?
3. We need some sort of injury caveat, like he plays in 15 games or something like that.
 

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I’ve never noticed a lack of interest in being a complete player. Nor have I read that about him. If he’s a character concern, then that might be a good reason to pass. I'm just not aware of that being the case. If you are, I'm all ears.

To be clear, I'm not comparing him to Von Miller, the pro. I'm comparing the prospects. Coming out, Miller was very similar to Landry and not just athletically (though there is that). They both had significantly better seasons the year before their last one. And Miller had some similar concerns as a run defender, specifically in handling drive blocking heads up (which is super normal for these ~250 lb edge players in college). Like Landry, he was much better as a chase and tackle run defender. If they were in the same class, Miller would certainly be the higher rated prospect, but they are pretty similar. Beasley is an even closer comparison in my opinion. Both Landry and Beasley are speed rushers who don't (or didn't, in the latter's case) have much of a plan as a pass rusher beyond winning outside. Landry is marginally thicker and stronger at the POA and Beasley was marginally more athletic. Beasley went 8th.

But yes, the sig bet sounds fun. Some questions:

1. Shouldn't we do 5.25 sacks? Because 5.5 is actually possible.
2. What happens if we're half right? If he goes 20th and has 5 sacks or if he goes 30th and has 8 sacks, who wins?
3. We need some sort of injury caveat, like he plays in 15 games or something like that.
I said "or". Let's keep to the draft position. His sack total will be dependent on team drafted. I would be happy to do another bet before the season starts.

26th or later, I win. 25 or sooner you win.

You have a fair shot at this. I never expect Alualu (10th) or Tyson (3rd overall) to go before 25 either.
 

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I’ve never noticed a lack of interest in being a complete player. Nor have I read that about him. If he’s a character concern, then that might be a good reason to pass. I'm just not aware of that being the case. If you are, I'm all ears.

To be clear, I'm not comparing him to Von Miller, the pro. I'm comparing the prospects. Coming out, Miller was very similar to Landry and not just athletically (though there is that). They both had significantly better seasons the year before their last one. And Miller had some similar concerns as a run defender, specifically in handling drive blocking heads up (which is super normal for these ~250 lb edge players in college). Like Landry, he was much better as a chase and tackle run defender. If they were in the same class, Miller would certainly be the higher rated prospect, but they are pretty similar. Beasley is an even closer comparison in my opinion. Both Landry and Beasley are speed rushers who don't (or didn't, in the latter's case) have much of a plan as a pass rusher beyond winning outside. Landry is marginally thicker and stronger at the POA and Beasley was marginally more athletic. Beasley went 8th.

But yes, the sig bet sounds fun. Some questions:

1. Shouldn't we do 5.25 sacks? Because 5.5 is actually possible.
2. What happens if we're half right? If he goes 20th and has 5 sacks or if he goes 30th and has 8 sacks, who wins?
3. We need some sort of injury caveat, like he plays in 15 games or something like that.

I believe the proper recourse is to run around naked, record it, send it to Wimm, and he decides who wins.
 

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I said "or". Let's keep to the draft position. His sack total will be dependent on team drafted. I would be happy to do another bet before the season starts.

26th or later, I win. 25 or sooner you win.

You have a fair shot at this. I never expect Alualu (10th) or Tyson (3rd overall) to go before 25 either.

I’m all in.

Tell ya what— as long as JJ is good with this, I’ll give you 2:1. If he goes 26th or later you can set both of our signatures. If he goes earlier, he and I can conference on what we want yours to say.
 

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I’m all in.

Tell ya what— as long as JJ is good with this, I’ll give you 2:1. If he goes 26th or later you can set both of our signatures. If he goes earlier, he and I can conference on what we want yours to say.

We have a deal!
 

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Here's what I would consider to be a worst case scenario:
  1. CLE: S. Darnold, QB, USC
  2. NYG: J. Rosen, QB, UCLA
  3. NYJ: J. Allen, QB, WYO
  4. CLE: S. Barkley, RB, PSU
  5. DEN: B. Mayfield, QB, OK
  6. IND: B. Chubb, DE, NCSU
  7. TB: Q. Nelson, G, ND
  8. CHI: T. Edmunds, LB, VTU
  9. SF: H. Landry, ED, BC
  10. OAK: D. Ward, CB, OSU
  11. MIA: M. Fitzpatrick, DB, UA
  12. BUF: R. Smith, LB, UGA
  13. WAS: D. James, S, FSU
So in this scenario, Jackson does not go top 13 and no OT's or DT's sneak up there. So all of the guys that I personally would consider "blue chip" prospects are gone. Say a trade down is not an option-- who you taking?

If thats the situation then Courtland Sutton is the obvious answer. Best player at a position that addresses a need.
 

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If thats the situation then Courtland Sutton is the obvious answer. Best player at a position that addresses a need.

I considered just saying at the end of the post that you need not reply. We already know.
 

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At least im consistent opposed to bandstading over the "flavor of the week" in your case.

Yeah, that wasn't meant to be a shot at you.

By the way, I've had essentially the same cluster of players in mind for #14 for weeks now.
 

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Ohhh I am definitely "All Out" if these guys start posting running around naked selfie videos! :eek::eek::eek:

Glad to know you'll be hanging loose while all out in your video!

Wimm is going to love this.



/I wouldn't open any PM's in the next couple days Wimm. Just sayin.
 

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1. Cleveland Browns Sam Darnold QB
2. New York Giants Rosen QB
3. New York Jets Josh Allen QB
4. Cleveland Browns Saquon Barkley RB
5. Denver Broncos Quentin Nelson G
6. Indianapolis Colts Bradley Chubb DE
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Minkah Fitzpatrick DB
8. Chicago Bears Denzel Ward CB
9. San Francisco 49ers Josh Jackson CB
10. Oakland Raiders Roquan Smith LB
11. Miami Dolphins Baker Mayfield QB
12. Buffalo Bills Lamar Jackson QB
13. Washington Redskins Derwin James DB
14. And with the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft the Green Bay Packers select linebacker Tremaine Edmunds Virginia Tech

The good thing about this projection is even if one of those teams takes Edmunds then the Packers get to draft that guy. Just gotta hope 5 QBs go in the top 13, it's not a lock but it's certainly possible.
 

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1. Cleveland Browns Sam Darnold QB
2. New York Giants Rosen QB
3. New York Jets Josh Allen QB
4. Cleveland Browns Saquon Barkley RB
5. Denver Broncos Quentin Nelson G
6. Indianapolis Colts Bradley Chubb DE
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Minkah Fitzpatrick DB
8. Chicago Bears Denzel Ward CB
9. San Francisco 49ers Josh Jackson CB
10. Oakland Raiders Roquan Smith LB
11. Miami Dolphins Baker Mayfield QB
12. Buffalo Bills Lamar Jackson QB
13. Washington Redskins Derwin James DB
14. And with the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft the Green Bay Packers select linebacker Tremaine Edmunds Virginia Tech

The good thing about this projection is even if one of those teams takes Edmunds then the Packers get to draft that guy. Just gotta hope 5 QBs go in the top 13, it's not a lock but it's certainly possible.
I don't think either of the Jacksons (Josh or Lamar) come off the board before the Packers pick and I definitely hope they wouldn't pick Lamar.
 

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I'm not sure if you meant the Packers but if they select lamar jackson after trading for kizer i would seriously start to wonder if TT was still running things or Rodgers had told the team he wasnt gonna sign an extension. The Bills definitely traded up with the intention of landing a QB. And I don't think any of the top 5 will make it to the 22nd pick. As for Jackson I initially had Calvin Ridley going to the 49ers at 9.
 

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