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Williams would consider staying even if it means less money?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by porky88, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. longtimefan

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    DT salary for 2007

    Top is 6.7 mill per year

    10th is 3.0 mill per year..

    I say give him an offer around that 3 mill per year
     
  2. bozz_2006

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    I would be happier with an offer of 4/yr. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.
     
  3. retiredgrampa

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    I doubt if he will consider any offer that's less than $5mil/yr. He won't have to. Good DTs are too few in number. I can see TT offering a big SB, then $3.5mil/yr. Players are definitely swayed by a big lump sum put into their bank accts. at one time. Who wouldn't be?
     
  4. Zombieslayer

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    4 sounds fair. I hope that's enough to keep him.

    7 sacks up the middle 2 years in a row. We need him.
     
  5. bozz_2006

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    the reason that large lump sums are so attractive to players is due to the fact that player salaries are not guaranteed. per year salaries are no guarantee, but signing bonuses are money in the bank... unless you go to prison on federal dog-fighting charges. then you have to give that money back.

    SO
    Step 1. Verify that Corey Williams is not involved in dog-fighting
    Step 2. Offer him a long-term deal worth 3.5-4 million per year and blow him away with a sick signing bonus. We NEED him.
     
  6. RainX

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    Here's our current DT contract situation:

    Conrad Bolston (Claimed off waivers from Minnesota during mid-season)
    2 years remaining on current deal: '08 370K, '09 410K, '10 RFA

    Daniel Muir (Signed as an Undrafted FA before training camp)
    1 year remaining on current deal: '08 minimum, '09 FA

    Johnny Jolly (6th round pick in '06 draft)
    2 years remaining on current deal: '08 445K, '09 530K, '10 FA

    Justin Harrell (1st round pick in '07 draft)
    4 years remaining on current deal: '08 $370K (+ $5.3 million option bonus + $30K roster bonus), '09 $460K (+ $186,625 roster bonus), '10 $550K (+ $408,375 roster bonus), '11 $650K (+ $575K roster bonus), '12: Voidable year of contract and can become a FA

    Ryan Pickett (Signed as an UFA in '06)
    2 years remaining on current deal: '08 $2.475 million, '09 $2.975 million, '10 FA

    Harrell and Pickett's contracts totaled about $14 million a piece when they signed them including signing bonuses, but I'm not really a cap expert so I don't know how that will factor into their final cap numbers for next year. Contract wise at least, we've got Jolly, Harrell, and Pickett locked up for at least another two years.

    As far as Williams goes, I do think we should make a serious effort in retaining him if he's willing to stay even if it would mean making less money that he would on the open market. If push comes to shove though, we do have the cap space to slap him with a non-exclusive franchise tag to keep him around for another season which would roughly cost us $6.75 million for a one-year deal. (Average of Top 5 DT salaries for 2007) It's actually one of the cheaper tags you can use these days.
     
  7. PWT36

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    I think like some other poster on this topic and many the local media in GB think, Corey Williams will be offered a" boat load of money" by other NFL teams on the FA market.. Corey Williams will most likely will take the big payoff from another NFL team .

    As listed RainX posting. Look at the number of available players in the Packer's defensive tackle position and the amount of money each of these players receive. I would not get my hopes up that Corey Williams will be back in GB for '08 season.

    It is almost always about the MONEY in the NFL!!! No matter what the player says.

    Packer GM Ted Thompson will not over pay for players. not even for Corey Williams .
     
  8. Aytumious

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    You forgot to sort.

    Tops is actually 13.6 this past year by Cory Redding. 10th is 5.6 million.

    You also have to factor in that the market is on the upswing with the increased salary cap. Average salaries are going to take a big jump over the next few seasons.
     
  9. de_real_deal

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    Whats all this Rodgers talk? We drafted Harrel just last year. If we are to spend money, lets spend it in bigger need areas(Pass coverage linebacker, safety, cornerback depth, versatile pass catching full back, dominant TE maybe, OL)

    Thinking about Rodgers is like buying 2500.00 rims when you cant afford to move out of your moms basement.
     
  10. Zombieslayer

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    The thing is, who is producing? Pickett and Williams are getting us results. Harrell will in the future. Is he ready to take over for Williams if we lose him?

    We have $25 million in cap space if I remember correctly. Let's use it on our players that are producing, like Williams for instance.
     
  11. DoddPower

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    Also, isn't there a cap increase again this year?
     
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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    There ya go. Use that increase to sign Williams and we still have the same amount of cap space we already have.

    :D
     
  14. RainX

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    Man, I can't believe I forgot to add Colin Cole to my list! Yeesh, talk about a mental lapse. He's a Restricted Free Agent this off-season, so hopefully he won't be to expensive to resign.

    As far as who's prodcuing? Williams, Pickett, Cole, and Jolly have all made significant contributions to the DT positions this past season. Williams was playing very well when he was splitting time with Jolly and Cole was taking the best advantage of his limited playing time.

    We definitely have the capspace to keep Williams, even with a franchise tag which would keep in a Packer uniform for next year. It'd be nice to be able to hammer out a longer-term deal though, which is definitely a possibility.
     
  15. Zombieslayer

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    I must be going senile. I forgot to mention Cole too. Yes, and Jolly's good as well. Keeping all five would be ideal. Plus, we have Jenkins who can play the DT position as well.
     
  16. all about da packers

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    I think that'd be overpaying Williams.

    Our best DT is Pickett, or I should say most valuable. Pickett makes 3 million, so I can't see someone like Williams making 4 million as a player that will almost exclusively be a pass rushing specialist next year.

    I expect Pickett and Jolly/Harrell as our DTs vs the run, leaving Williams and Jenkins/Jolly as the DTs to provide a rush on passing downs.

    Paying Williams 4 million mainly for doing that is overpaying, IMO.

    Also, I'd question whether Williams loss will be a big blow. IMO, Jolly has the ability to not only give us an inside rush comparable to what Williams provides, but Jolly also has a knack for deflecting passes that Corey Williams seems to lack.

    Hence I don't think it'd be all that bad to have an inside rush duo of Jenkins and Jolly.

    I'm thinking Ted offers Williams a contract with about 2.5 million per year, and I don't think that'll cut it for Williams.
     
  17. Zombieslayer

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    I get heavily into the psychology of football, and I think a lot of QBs let frustration get the better of them. We've seen this many times from opposing QBs.

    The scariest thing for a QB is probably the pocket collapsing from the middle, especially for scrambling QBs. Scrambling QBs when they sense the pocket collapsing from the sides will move forward and often run for the first down, which usually causes me to scream profusely at the television set.

    When it collapses from the middle, which Williams is really good at, the QB has nowhere to go. He can step left and get hit by KGB, or he can step right and get hit by Kampman. Neither choice is an option he wants to take.

    So, that is why I like Williams so much. I was expecting Jenkins to do the same in '07, but he didn't. Knocking down passes is nice, don't get me wrong, but there's nothing like knocking down the opposing QB, and that's something Williams gives us. I'd pay $4 million for him.
     
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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    The market is a cruel mistress, AADP. with the rise in the salary cap, Williams has an advantage over Pickett on the market. I do not believe that Pickett is that much "better" than Williams. It's apples to oranges. I think together with Pickett, Williams is great. Williams is hitting the market at just the right time. He will make more money because there is more money to make. To pass him up based on the view of the salary cap as it used to be is short sighted. allowing him to walk away because of our own sticker shock will leave us in the lurch, in the long run. My opinion.
     
  19. all about da packers

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo


    Oh I agree about the Free Agent market. I think it might be appropriate to say I was looking at the situation from more of a Ted point of view. (who doesn't pretend to be Ted Thompson, from time to time?)

    IMO Ted is not one to let the market dictate his opinion. If he thinks a player is worth X amount of money, I do not see him going over by a substantial amount to reflect the high market demand.

    So my comment about 4 million overpaying was coming more from looking at things from a Ted perspective, or at least what I understand to be a Ted perspective.

    I can see why you (and other people) would think 3.5-4 million would be a fair for Williams given the increase cap space and rising salaries that are inevitable as a consequence. When you look at Williams performance in the playoffs, it is hard to argue that Williams is not worth that money. I would like to see a bit more consistency from Williams during the regular season, but he brought it big time in the playoffs when it counted most.
     
  20. bozz_2006

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    right, my point is, x amount of dollar/value 2007 < x amount of dollar/value 2008. i know it. you know it. ted knows it. what he decides to do, we'll see. I still hold that 4million/yr is fair value for Williams and i would be happy paying that.
     
  21. PackFanWithTwins

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    I don't think TT will go over 8-10mil SB plus about 2 mil base in 08 for Williams over a 4 yr deal. Leaving the SB hit at about 2-2.5 mil and the end cap hit at 4-5. Would be close to what Kampman got.

    It seems like TT likes to keep cap room and use it to extend the players he wants to keep during the season and take as much of the cap hit in the current year leaving more space in future years. Possibly Jennings this year.
     
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    Packers | Team trying to re-sign C. Williams
    Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:35:11 -0800

    Tom Silverstein and Greg A. Bedard, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports the Green Bay Packers will try to re-sign DT Corey Williams. Williams will be an unrestricted free agent this offseason.
     
  23. longtimefan

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    Re: Williams would consider staying even if it means less mo

    2007 cap 109 million

    2008 cap 116 million
     
  24. PackFanWithTwins

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    As of now GB has about $102 mill in current contracts for 2008. Plus there is recouped money from unreached incentives. That comes to the estimated $25 mil cap room. That is already accounting for the cap increase.

    There are 11 players that do not have 2008 contracts. Plus any FA that may be signed, plus Draft picks.

    $25 mill sounds like a big number but it will disappear quickly.
     
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    Maybe restructuring Bubba's contract and / or possibly even KGB's can help out the situation?
     

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