Takeaways is an art form. TJ Watt is extremely good at it. But there's a trade off. If going for a takeaway doesn't work and the runner gets away, it can be ugly. The right way to do it is focus on the tackle and seize that opportunity to knock a ball loose. It's not easy to coach or to execute.In the 1996/2010 postseason together, the Packers Defense had 23 combined Forced Turnovers. That’s 3.29/GM over 7 contests.
Since 2010? Our Defense has a combined 22 Forced turnovers in the postseason.
1.38/GM over 16 contests.
There needs to be better focus by Barry in this respect. He’s a good DC, but there is an art to 3.29, it’s not luck.
If we can remain in that top tier Offenses that don’t give away the ball? Our Defense and ST units need to be properly focused and challenged to be #1 in takeaways.
In the words of the late Kevin Greene..
“IT IS TIME.., IT IS TIME!”
In the sticky area of this forum is a thread with a list of useful sites that many posters here use.Thanks Poppa, that's a nice reference. I'll be bookmarking it as well. Is it a paid site, like Stathead?
True that, when it comes to any art? Nothings easy. Prioritizing a crucial facet of the game will only improve it.Takeaways is an art form. TJ Watt is extremely good at it. But there's a trade off. If going for a takeaway doesn't work and the runner gets away, it can be ugly. The right way to do it is focus on the tackle and seize that opportunity to knock a ball loose. It's not easy to coach or to execute.
Thanks Poppa. I didn't know this resource was here. Good stuff.In the sticky area of this forum is a thread with a list of useful sites that many posters here use.
Your observation of how even 1 more takeaway can increase the chances of a win are true. Make it two or three TOs and it's very hard for the other team to overcome. I recall in the horrible 2014 NFCCG against the Hags, their comeback started with a fake FG that went for a TD. They exploited the aggressiveness of rusher Brad Jones (I think that's his name). But at that point they were close to the goal line, and down I think 16-0. Everyone on the team should have been looking for a fake. That was primarily a coaching mistake, and a costly one at that.True that, when it comes to any art? Nothings easy. Prioritizing a crucial facet of the game will only improve it.
Combine a Good solid takeaway Defense with the top keep away Offense in the NFL (Packers) and it’s like playing the game with the wind and Sun at your back. My hope is that we simply improve that aspect and get our Net takeaways back into that 2010 range. It takes talent, but also all phases working jointly to achieve a high level. I believe we have that Defensive personnel that can Improve that area over the last decade of mediocre results.
We literally mourned when other teams exploited the Packers ST once they sniffed we had a weakness. Those SF49 blocked punt, blocked FG were very calculated, as were many teams before them. They saw our deficiency on film and absolutely trained and attacked it. Call it difficult to train, but it takes just 1 more takeaway per game to have a profound increase in win %.
Yes. That goes with a concept of getting the best talent on the field simultaneously. While a there’s a few who attempt to dismantle how that worked in mid 2014? Moving CM3 inside while he was still in his prime made us formidable Defense compared to earlier in the season. It firmed up ILB with a well above average performing veteran, but the part those critics ignore is focusing on 1 players stat regression a full season later. The ‘14 midseason move was brilliance. It got Perry and Peppers together on the outside and it was a TEAM move and we saw in that Seattle Championship game what it did. As you mentioned, 0-16 at halftime? That against a very good Offense led by a top 5 QB.Thanks for the comparison between Walker and Martinez. Wow! I've heard the Packers are thinking about using him on the edge as well. Why not, depending on the down and distance?
I think that there is a large enough sample size to say that even injury-depleted Packers teams can and have made runs at championships - even winning them. The key is having a GM willing to swap out players mid-season when the replacements are not working. We have quality depth at quite a few positions (RB, OL, DL, ILB, CB, and dare I say QB). No team has quality starters and quality depth in the modern NFL of salary caps and free agency. Gutekunst seems willing to swap out the parts that aren't working, which is what we will need if the injury bug strikes in 2022.
Yes we have lots of potential over proven production in the Receiving area, but we also nearly all recognize that Rodgers lifts the bar in that area markedly. I think Rodgers will either surpass or come very close to 4,000 yards passing. So who cares if it’s more spread around or 35% goes to 1 player.
What I like is that the Packers are loaded at literally every position, offense and defense.
I'm not certain how you can blame an interior linebacker for making tackles after 3-4 yards of gain. They're playing more than one gap, making reads to determine if they need to drop into coverage, and often playing sideline to sideline. They aren't playing at the line, but off the line, or they'd be picked up in the line blocking, and swept away from plays. I don't believe that was happening with either Hawk, or Martinez.
And yes, I am impressed by a player who consistently makes the most tackles in games, and has a substantially low whiff rate. Also, remember that tackles missed are often later in games, when their arms are tired, their shoulders ache, and legs are turning to rubber.
Most interior linebackers who make a lot of tackles play a very high number of plays each game on defense.
Personally, I believe Barnett, Hawk, and Martinez all got a bad wrap because people don't always understand their role on the field.
WRs and TE are our 2 big areas of question but imo thats on Rodgers to solve or what are we paying him all this money for?
Thanks Poppa, that's a nice reference. I'll be bookmarking it as well. Is it a paid site, like Stathead?
I believe you found an error in their stats. It differs with what the NFL stats say.
Which teams have better quality depth?I disagree with the Packers having proven quality depth at the positions you mentioned aside of running back.
I fully understand it's impossible to have an adequate replacement for each starter on the roster but I'm afraid the team overall lacks quality depth compared to other championship contenders.
I'm not certain how good the back ups are on most teams, but the fact that we have a few players returning from season ending injuries in the past, while we had replacements good enough to get us into the playoffs may tip the scales in favor of the Packers.Actually I don't know a whole lot about the backups of other teams. Taking a look at the Packers depth chart I tend to believe other teams have more proven talent behind the starters though.
...and that was my point. Few people actually know and understand the position depth on all 32 teams, but you feel believe we have inferior depth compared to other teams without having direct knowledge of it. I don't have that knowledge either.Actually I don't know a whole lot about the backups of other teams. Taking a look at the Packers depth chart I tend to believe other teams have more proven talent behind the starters though.
I think we are going to learn a lot about Jordan Love during the pre-season. Except that I would consider it smart if they did not let him run.While Preseason isn’t necessarily the ultimate litmus test of QB greatness, it might be all we have. Other than Jordan finishing a series or two in a game that’s already over or an outside chance of already locking a #1 Seed? We really hope to never see him start a game this entire season (at least in GB)
I think a whole lot is depending on Q. If he is a superstar; that will make a big difference. I am not too interested in his pass rushing ability though that would obviously be a plus. Just want him to be able to cover and otherwise play downhill when possible and laterally when necessary. I think the lateral part is pretty much a given.I am excited to see what we have on D.
Yeah with the cap it's hard enough to field a solid team. The Packers are plenty solid with starters. WR and TE are concerns, but I gotta believe MLF and Rodgers will figure that out.Everyone has depth issues until proven otherwise. At all position groups on all teams, every year. We'll be fine. The overall talent level is extremely good in Green Bay.
Agreed. Running QB = increased risk of injury. Not worth it for a PS game. He needs to show he can manage the team with confidence, move the football, and score. I haven't seen that from him yet. If I were him, I'd be looking at showing his stuff to increase trade value. There's at least a decent chance Rodgers stays for 3 years. They'd have to move Love, and he would want that I'd imagine - a legit chance to start rather than riding the bench. (Although getting $12 million for that over his rookie contract is a pretty sweet deal.)I think we are going to learn a lot about Jordan Love during the pre-season. Except that I would consider it smart if they did not let him run.
If our top RBs can both stay healthy, there's good reason to be optimistic IMO. If they both would have been healthy in our last game, we may well have beaten SF.I mean you gotta utilize the talents that guy has but I am one of those rare fans who does not think the RB position is over rated. I've said it before I'd rather have the best RB in the league than the best WR.
If our top RBs can both stay healthy, there's good reason to be optimistic IMO. If they both would have been healthy in our last game, we may well have beaten SF.
All that said and I agree with this. My “yards” statement does not imply we should throw out the entire book of statistical information either.While Rodgers could throw for a similar amount of yards it's possible he could end up with a lower completion percentage, number of touchdowns or an increased number of interceptions.
That would result in the passing game being less successful.