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Tramon Stilled "Snubbed"?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Bensalama21, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. Bensalama21

    Bensalama21 Ben

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    ESPN Analysts voted on the top 10 corners. Their top 10 is...

    1. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets
    2. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland Raiders
    3. Charles Woodson, Green Bay Packers
    4. Asante Samuel, Philadelphia Eagles
    5. Champ Bailey, Denver Broncos
    6. Antoine Winfield, Minnesota Vikings
    7. Tramon Williams, Green Bay Packers
    8. Devin McCourty, New England Patriots
    9. DeAngelo Hall, Washington Redskins
    10. Cortland Finnegan, Tennessee Titans

    I believe Williams should be ahead of at least Winfield and possibly Samuel. (Bailey too?). If you looked at top players, Woodson would probably be higher than Williams but isn't Williams a better corner than Woodson?

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/23050/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-cornerbacks
     
  2. Cheesehead Brittany

    Cheesehead Brittany Cheesehead

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    well based solely off last year tramon is better. but woodson has had a better career.
     
  3. Bensalama21

    Bensalama21 Ben

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    true. To be honest, I think Woodson will end up having a better career, but Williams is just the better corner today.
     
  4. bozz_2006

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    Good. I like guys who play a little pissed off and with a chip on their shoulder. For the record, I'm also glad Rodgers got beat out for the cover of Madden.
     
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  5. Big E

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    Wow, those guys are idiots. Half of them didn't even put Tramonster in the top 10, choosing instead to include scrubs like Ron Bartell and Quentin Jammer (ok, they aren't exactly scrubs, but by no means do they deserve to be in anyone's top 10). Also, DeAngelo Hall should not be on there. Yeah, sure he had 6 interceptions, but that's only because Jay Cutler is an idiot and kept throwing it right at Hall (he threw 4 interceptions to Hall that game). All my friends who are Redskins fan complain about how he constantly gets beat in coverage.
     
  6. Packerfury

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    DeAngelo Hall has been overrated his entire career and I am still trying to figure out why people think he is so good. He DOES make big plays, but that's it. He can't cover anybody.
     
  7. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    Not sure if serious regarding Antoine Winfield being on that list. Hall shouldn't be on there, makes some plays but really isn't a great cover corner.

    Still, pretty cool to have had one of the best CB tandems in the league for about 5 or 6 years now. Woodson/Harris and Woodson/Tramon.
     
  8. Cheesehead Brittany

    Cheesehead Brittany Cheesehead

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    if only they let hot girls play. then we could just flash the wide receivers and they would get distracted.
     
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  9. ivo610

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    Tramon is better than Woodson at this point. And agree with the other posters, Hall? WTF is he doing on the list? Thanks Jay Cutler.
     
  10. PackersRS

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    Cmon.

    ESPN "analists"... Some idiot said that he didn't vote for Tramon because he wasn't the #1 corner and didn't guard the #1 WR.

    Those guys are just a bunch of self-centered morons that only watch the games close to them and only notice what's in front of their nose.

    ESPN as a rule of thumb is analysis for principiants. They give you the cliches and the blalant facts. They can't make any in-depth analysis whatsoever.
     
  11. ivo610

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    The only good football info you can get from ESPN is from that show that airs at like 6 am on Sundays. Excellent show. I heard Peter King talking about it so I tivoed it and he was right, it was excellent.
     
  12. AmishMafia

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    Tramon is the better cover guy at this point, but Woodson does so many things very well.

    I would probably give the nod to Tramon, but then again, Woodson allows the defense to do much more and is probably more valuable as a player.
     
  13. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    ESPN isn't good for much anymore. Like you said, there is very little real analysis from any of the analysts, mostly just them telling me things I already knew.

    Remaining good ESPN analysts:

    Ron Jaworski
    Merrill Hoge
    Jon Gruden

    Having hard a time thinking of any others.

    Ivo, the show you're thinking of is Edge NFL Matchup and yes, it's by far the best football show on. A shame that they air it when nobody watches. Almost had to cancel the show this past year.
     
  14. PackersRS

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    Picked against the Packers every single game last season
    Said that Brian Brohm would be a better QB than Rodgers and would eventually supplant him
    THIS guy, well, actually I like Gruden, but he kisses asses too much.
     
  15. bozz_2006

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    He can't burn any bridges. He wants to get back into coaching. Fair and balanced analysis be damned!
     
  16. armand34

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    I think Tramon at 7 is pretty respectable, he's a "newer" starter and he got a put another season like that together to be the top 3
     
  17. FrankRizzo

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    Tramon is a better cover-corner than Woodson at this point.
    But Woodson does so much more than just cover. We all noticed the huge dropoff in the Super Bowl when Charles was in there, and after he cracked his collar bone. It was dramatic. That game was going to be a blowout if that turf wasn't so damn hard.

    I'm happy to see Tramon ranked this high, but I would not trade him for Samuel for sure. Or Winfield because he's old and breaking down. But he's a warrior that little guy.

    People forget how huge the plays were that Tramon made.
     
  18. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    I mean that I think those guys are good at giving me more than just cliches and telling me who the good players are. They talk about the more intrinsic parts of the game, the in-depth stuff that you rarely get from ESPN.
     
  19. Kitten

    Kitten Feline Cheesehead Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I personally think Tramon should be ranked higher, not to take anything away from Woodson. These lists are subjective in nature. I would like to know what subject matter, criteria, analysis of stats and comparisons all went into comprising the order of these lists. We all seem to have some differing variance of opinion regarding where a single player, Tramon, should be placed. Therefore, we can determine these lists are subjective, with each maker using a different set of criteria to determine placement.
     
  20. GreenBayGal

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    Agreed. What makes the ESPN analysts any more qualified than the folks on this forum. Voting is pretty much a collection of people's opinions. I'll bet if a couple of the analysts were undercover Packer fans, Williams would have been ranked 1 or 2, with Woodson being the other. IMO
     
  21. GBPack2010

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    Maybe they valued playing time over the course of an entire career over recent season? If not then no way should Tramon be out of top 5.
     
  22. TJV

    TJV Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    If you read the story, there's no question they're talking about the best CBs in 2010 and not the best over a players’ career. I understand those covering the league as a whole don't know as much about the Packers as we fanatical Packers fans but they didn’t have to watch too many Packers games to realize the Packers played more nickel than base and in the nickel Woodson was more of a hybrid CB/S/LB than a cover corner and that Williams covered the opponents’ best WR much more often than Woodson.
     
  23. Bensalama21

    Bensalama21 Ben

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    Yes, if it was a players career everyone here realizes that Woodson would easily be number 1. Asante Samuel
    shouldn't be as high on the list and neither should Hall who 2/3 of his interceptions came from Jay Pickler himself.
     
  24. Kitten

    Kitten Feline Cheesehead Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Indeed. The list being based on the duration of a players career or the duration of one single season (2010) makes a huge difference. For career, Woodson would be #1, for 2010 season, it's all Tramon. I honestly wouldn't put Hall on the list at all, but that's just me.
     
  25. GeeDogWarrior

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    I'm glad too, but for more "superstitious" reasons....:nhl_crach:
     

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