Trade Deadline Targets

[GreenNGold_81]

Rich getting richer... Chiefs get Toney for a 3rd and 6th. Toney would have fit the bill for GB... rookie contract, a talented athlete at WR who can separate. Sure, he's had "injury" problems (I suspect mostly he was in the doghouse) but he's stated today that he's healthy and probably plays week 9. I guess he's a head case, but really who knows. Kenny G went to the Giants too and is basically wasting away there so I'm sure they have a low threshold to not play guys.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

The Packers Are Too Stubborn To Be Sellers At the Trade Deadline - Zone Coverage

The prognosticators did not envision the Green Bay Packers through seven games. Frankly, it's not what the team imagined either. Yet, here the Packers are

zonecoverage.com

Interesting article.

 

[OldSchool101]

That's interesting Krabs and given the cap situation, makes sense. I just think that for the same reason the Packers would want someone like that, no team will let such a person go. I still like the Brandin Cooks idea, but that seems DOA due to cap.

Anything can happen but if we don’t ask we don’t get. Nobody is going to come knocking on our door so to speak. If we throw enough reasonable offers out there, sooner or later some team will be close to accepting.

 

[Schultz]

Rich getting richer... Chiefs get Toney for a 3rd and 6th. Toney would have fit the bill for GB... rookie contract, a talented athlete at WR who can separate. Sure, he's had "injury" problems (I suspect mostly he was in the doghouse) but he's stated today that he's healthy and probably plays week 9. I guess he's a head case, but really who knows. Kenny G went to the Giants too and is basically wasting away there so I'm sure they have a low threshold to not play guys.

IMO. Just the 3rd round pick is too much for Toney. Of course just what "conditions" are part of the conditional pick are unknown to me.

 

[Mondio]

We have a couple guys that are young and can separate. they either can't stay healthy, or they can't do the right thing within a play. We have some vets that are pretty good when available, but they often aren't available.

I don't need to trade for a guy that either has shown he can't work within an offense or can't stay on the field.

 

[PikeBadger]

I don't think I have ever seen a kicker traded... let alone in season.

Yeah, I agree. It would have to be a team in the championship hunt whose kicker ends up on IR .

 

[PikeBadger]

Anything can happen but if we don’t ask we don’t get. Nobody is going to come knocking on our door so to speak. If we throw enough reasonable offers out there, sooner or later some team will be close to accepting.

Kadarius Toney just got traded for a 3rd and 6th pick and he has never done anything in the NFL, is always injured, and has a big mouth. Good grief!

 

[GreenNGold_81]

IMO. Just the 3rd round pick is too much for Toney. Of course just what "conditions" are part of the conditional pick are unknown to me.

I think that's appropriate value for Toney, who was seen as a very talented WR prospect and drafted in the first round. Remember, at the deadline a few years ago a washed-up Sanu went for a 2nd rounder. A 3rd and 4th got the 9ers Sanders, who contributed to their offense right off the hop. Getting a younger and possibly top talent for a 3rd and 6th is pretty fair, IMO.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Kadarius Toney just got traded for a 3rd and 6th pick and he has never done anything in the NFL, is always injured, and has a big mouth. Good grief!

I think Daboll just hated Toney's guts. It wasn't a fit for Toney in New York and we may never know why. Daboll was asked why Toney wasn't being used and he mentioned that he has different personnel sets for different game situations. Toney says he's healthy. The truth? We may never know. But we will see him line up with the Chiefs so obviously we'll see what happens.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think Daboll just hated Toney's guts. It wasn't a fit for Toney in New York and we may never know why. Daboll was asked why Toney wasn't being used and he mentioned that he has different personnel sets for different game situations. Toney says he's healthy. The truth? We may never know. But we will see him line up with the Chiefs so obviously we'll see what happens.

I wanted Toney in the draft as he had just incredible burst and change of direction. His moves in college and the combine looked super human. That said, thus far he has been a flop for an #20 overall selection.
Brian does need to loosen up and grab Offensive help in some format. I don’t expect a Day 1 pick, but anything from a 2nd Rounder on down should be in play if it’s a coveted player who can help right away.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I wanted Toney in the draft as he had just incredible burst and change of direction. His moves in college and the combine looked super human. That said, thus far he has been a flop for an #20 overall selection.
Brian does need to loosen up and grab Offensive help in some format. I don’t expect a Day 1 pick, but anything from a 2nd Rounder on down should be in play if it’s a coveted player who can help right away.

Ya, for what little Toney did play last year, I remember being like "whoa, who is that guy".

With him gone, I think the high end options would be: Claypool, Eli Moore, Jeudy. Though, I think their asking prices will involve at least a 2nd rounder plus a later round pick (for Eli and Jeudy). Claypool is probably the cheaper option, but I bet we still lose a 3rd.

 

[milani]

Or they could include one or more of these guys in a trade now. The only untouchables, IMO, are Jenkins and Amos. And it may force Gluten to finally find the next kicker, although Crosby isn't expensive and seems to be defying the aging process.

Goos stuff Pkrjones. Thanks.

Kicker is crucial. Now because we had been to the post season so many times crunch time is critical for kickers. There is a difference between October and January.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Giants now kicking tires on Jeudy.

 

[thequick12]

The Vikings did a few years ago for Kaare Vedvik with the ravens for a 5th round pick lmaooooooooo

That dude was the guy who was supposed to be able to be the kicker and the punter right?

Somebody start training their kid for that role. Saves the team a roster spot and allows your agent to get you paid double

 

[thequick12]

Ya, for what little Toney did play last year, I remember being like "whoa, who is that guy".

With him gone, I think the high end options would be: Claypool, Eli Moore, Jeudy. Though, I think their asking prices will involve at least a 2nd rounder plus a later round pick (for Eli and Jeudy). Claypool is probably the cheaper option, but I bet we still lose a 3rd.

If you can get Claypool for a 3rd the Packers might as well do it...Gute has not been good in the 3rd round at all essentially wasting em all anyways so what have you got to lose? Jeudy is worth a look as well hes better than Claypool in my opinion. But neither is a sure thing which is obviously part of the reason they are available

But it sounds like the Vikings are acquiring Claypool...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Names please.

If the Packers want to be sellers at the deadline (I don't agree with it) they could trade the following players in my opinion:

Amos, Dillon, Jenkins, Lazard, Nijman, Savage, P. Smith, Tonyan, Watkins.

Jenkins can extend long-term & push out big numbers into '24-'27 if Gute wants to.

Jenkins hasn't performed at a level this season I would feel comfortable about signing him to a rich contract. He should definitely not be offered tackle money.

Lazard thru Reed I doubt GB will have the cap room to re-sign so any of them are trade-bait IF Gute decides to try to get a pick or 2 for them. Besides Jenkins & Amos do any have value more than a late rounder? If no, keep them for now, & get a '24 Comp pick for them after they leave this offseason.

I highly doubt losing any other player in free agency would result in a compensatory pick for the Packers down the road either

Or they could include one or more of these guys in a trade now. The only untouchables, IMO, are Jenkins and Amos.

Gary is on the top of my list of untouchables.

I don't think I have ever seen a kicker traded... let alone in season.

The last trade involving a kicker was the Bears acquiring for Eddy Pineiro back in 2019. As far as I can tell there hasn't been a trade for a kicker during the season since at least 1994.

I also read that they are generally calling about WRs that are on their rookie deals.

Unfortunately other teams are pretty hesitant in trading players on rookie deals.

That said...it's been mentioned elsewhere but really it hinges on Rodgers' future. If he is giving clear indications that he intends to be here next season then you need to go all-in.

Unfortunately the Packers haven't done that over the past few seasons either.

IMO. Just the 3rd round pick is too much for Toney. Of course just what "conditions" are part of the conditional pick are unknown to me.

Kadarius Toney just got traded for a 3rd and 6th pick and he has never done anything in the NFL, is always injured, and has a big mouth. Good grief!

Toney was a first round pick last year. I don't think giving up a conditional third round pick is too steep of a price for him.

With him gone, I think the high end options would be: Claypool, Eli Moore, Jeudy. Though, I think their asking prices will involve at least a 2nd rounder plus a later round pick (for Eli and Jeudy). Claypool is probably the cheaper option, but I bet we still lose a 3rd.

I wouldn't mind the Packers giving up a second or third rounder to acquire a receiver considering the lack of success Gutekunst has had in those rounds in the draft so far.

 

[gopkrs]

I actually hate all the buying and trading after the season starts. But that's the way it is now. Buying championships.

 

[PikeBadger]

I actually hate all the buying and trading after the season starts. But that's the way it is now. Buying championships.

Or buying trouble. And putting your team in a worse position for the future. There is no shortage of roster churning franchises in this league.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Sounds like Washington is listening to offers for Gibson. That would be interesting. Gibson and Jones on the field at the same time. He's like David Johnson lite. A WR playing RB. Or maybe a better comparison is Ty Monty but slightly more durable (for what it's worth I did think Ty Montgomery was a talented player, just boneheaded at times and doghoused himself).

 

[Pkrjones]

Sounds like Washington is listening to offers for Gibson. That would be interesting. Gibson and Jones on the field at the same time. He's like David Johnson lite. A WR playing RB. Or maybe a better comparison is Ty Monty but slightly more durable (for what it's worth I did think Ty Montgomery was a talented player, just boneheaded at times and doghoused himself).

That might be a fine addition... IF MLF would think about the RB's as part of the offense. The AJ's are already NOT enough of the offense, adding another RB does nothing, unfortunately. Kylin Hill should be ready to return soon (or stay on IR for the season?), as he's been practicing for a couple of weeks already.

Gibson was a WR in college... would GB consider moving him back and use him in the backfield-motion/slot? Hmmm, interesting.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

That might be a fine addition... IF MLF would think about the RB's as part of the offense. The AJ's are already NOT enough of the offense, adding another RB does nothing, unfortunately. Kylin Hill should be ready to return soon (or stay on IR for the season?), as he's been practicing for a couple of weeks already.

Gibson was a WR in college... would GB consider moving him back and use him in the backfield-motion/slot? Hmmm, interesting.

The Packers need a receiver who is good at YAC to help beat two shell defenses. They currently have none of that. The lack of receivers who can consistently make contested catches or who are good at YAC is what renders the Packers run game ineffective. People keep asking for more touches at running back without actually looking at how awful the run game currently is.

Against the Jets the Packers ran 11 times for 25 yards on first down; Jones was 6 for 10 and Dillon was 5 for 15. So don't run on first down you say? Against the Commanders the Packers faced 2nd and 10 or longer nine times (they also ran 7 times for 20 yards on first down). Just handing the ball to the running back against a loaded box (with a weak run blocking oline) is a terrific recipe for a $hitty offense.

Without the threat of a decent passing game, the running game is awful. Maybe Watson coming back can loosen it up with some deep catches but I'm not crossing my fingers.

 

[realitybytez]

Without the threat of a decent passing game, the running game is awful.

agreed.
but also: without the threat of a decent running game, the passing game is awful.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I'm guessing Michael Thomas or Landry could be had for cheap, not sure what either would cost us though in terms of cap. I doubt they're injured at this point, probably just don't want to play with Dalton.

 

[Spanky]

The Packers need a receiver who is good at YAC to help beat two shell defenses. They currently have none of that.

I'd say the Packers need a receiver who can get open and catch passes. One of those receivers would be real nice.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Sounds like Washington is listening to offers for Gibson. That would be interesting. Gibson and Jones on the field at the same time. He's like David Johnson lite. A WR playing RB. Or maybe a better comparison is Ty Monty but slightly more durable (for what it's worth I did think Ty Montgomery was a talented player, just boneheaded at times and doghoused himself).

The Packers don't need to add another running back.

agreed.
but also: without the threat of a decent running game, the passing game is awful.

The Packers are a threat to successfully run the ball. But without a decent passing game opponents can focus on stopping the run.

They would have a tough time doing that if the Packers had some legit weapons at receiver.

I'm guessing Michael Thomas or Landry could be had for cheap, not sure what either would cost us though in terms of cap.

Both Landry and Thomas would only cost a team acquiring them the veteran mimimum for the rest of this season.

The Saints would take a massive amount of dead money counting against their cap by trading Thomas, therefore I don't see that happening.