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This is ridiculousness who is the Strength and Conditioning

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Lunchboxer, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. Lunchboxer

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    Cordnator or coach.

    This is flippin worse than 2010 season. How are all of our guys getting hurt so damn easly. 2010 could be a fluke but 2 seasons later we get it worse. This cant be bad luck. Something is seriously wrong with this team. Is this team made of fragile glass?

    I never in my life watching football see so many injurys on one team 2 seasons after losing so many guys too.
     
  2. ExpatPacker

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    Can't really blame Starks' injury on the coaches. Take a look at the hit.

    That said, there does seem to be something not right about the huge amount of injuries this team has suffered and the way that existing injuries are later found to be worse. The delay in diagnosis/getting a second opinion from a specialist just doesn't make sense to me.

    I really hope somebody up there takes a good hard look at our conditioning coaches and medical training staff because this really is ridiculous. All it takes is for one more OL or one more important player of ours to go down and we'll have little chance of doing anything in the playoffs. We're very close to that as it is.
     
  3. HyponGrey

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    Lovat. Notice the sig. But Starks has always gotten hurt

    Lol now that Belima is gone you have to find a new cause?
     
  4. longtimefan

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    Changed titled...
     
  5. Lunchboxer

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    Oh come on. What the Faq was that..

    Or What frak was that. Come on man.
     
  6. longtimefan

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    Who is the FAQ

    I took out the FAQ...Looked to much like a word I will not type and didn't want people to think you were calling someone that name...
     
  7. Lunchboxer

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    Its called censorship man. I did not out right say the F-word man. What the Faq.

    Guess Ill coward in terror that your God left wisconsin...../me cowards in fear..:ninja:
     
  8. longtimefan

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    Its called you have agreed to allow us to alter posts..I truly was making sure no one mis took your word...I was TRYING to help you
     
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  9. Lunchboxer

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    The FAQ was going to be a replacement for the F-Word.

    Thanks for helping me though.
     
  10. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    this may be pure speculation:

    When I went to watch the packers take on the panthers last season in charlotte, I noticed something that wasnt happening "much" before the game started. WARM UPS and streching. The packers came out and were basically BS'ing, tossing the ball around, a couple short sprints by the WR's and DB's and then they chilled out until game start. I was like WTF??? Long time ago when I played, we loosened up and streched out for 30-45min. We focused on the legs, lower back....mainly hamstring thou. These guys may be beasts in the weight room, but somehow I think the lack of immediate pre-game warming up has something to do with getting more injuries. Like I said, just speculation from the game I was at last season.
     
  11. burt packerack

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    The amount of hamstring injuries is a good indication of poor stretching.
     
  12. longtimefan

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    I have been to numerous games and NEVER seen them not stretched....They go sideline to sideline...Doing all sort of different types of stretching moves...I have watched the lineman, Rodgers, Clay just to see who takes off...No one really takes off during those moments..
     
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  13. Oshkoshpackfan

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    ^ WELL.....Like I said, they didn't do much of anything pre-game out on the field, just more horseing around and BS'ing than anything. It was just a speculation from my view of what I saw, we got inside early enough so we should have seen the warm ups, but they were nowhere to be found.
     
  14. El Guapo

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    There has been more research that suggests that stretching before exercise leads to injuries instead of preventing it. What you did 10 or 20 years ago (or even today) doesn't make it right. What doctors and teams are moving towards is warming up the muscles and joints prior to exercise/sports and then doing some light stretching afterward.

    What does stretching do and why do you think that it's important?

    This exact thread, minus the cheap attempt at vulgar language, was started about a week ago. My stance remains the same. No strength or conditioning coach can prevent knee injuries or anything caused by trauma. What can be prevented, to a degree, are muscle strains and tears.

    The next thread that I expect to see is one that blames the grounds crew for the lack of rain. Why does everyone need to blame someone for something?
     
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  15. burt packerack

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    well color me corrected. It just seems like hamstrings can be somewhat preventable compared to ankle sprains and whatnot.
     
  16. 7thFloorRA

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    I'm sure they are doing more of an active warm-up rather than a team on field stretch. Damn near all of these guys get personally stretched in the locker room before the game by a member of the training or conditioning staff.

    The only thing you can pin on the S&C guys are the soft tissue injuries which would be your hamstring injuries this season. It could be a specific exercise that is fatiguing the hamstring too much or it could also be the result of a supplement causing dehydration. For the longest time people were using Creatine non-stop and it was blowing out hammys left and right. Then it faded away and now it is popping up again as an ingredient in some pre lift/workout supplements. Those guys need to get them off that crap already if thats the case. Also.... a few years ago the Yankees were stretching with a foam roller exclusively and damn near half the team had hamstring issues from it. My money is on a supplement causing it.

    I have more of a problem with the Athletic Training/Sports Medicine staff. Stop being so conservative and get the guys back on the field already. What is going on with Shields?? A bone bruise/ankle injury that is costing him multiple months?? There is also no excuse for not having Lang back with a mild/moderate ankle injury. Tape it up and lets go. He is an O-lineman...how many lineman sit with an ankle?
     
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    Good point with the creatine, when I used it I had to drink gallons of water just not to feel thirsty.

    Also, can't agree more on the timeline on injuries. I got mad flammed for b*tching about the knowing who is coming back and when. MM was saying "couple weeks" on CM3, that's a long couple weeks now. lol
     
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    They get stretched on the field by trainers during warm ups too
     
  19. Oshkoshpackfan

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    good post, I found supporting material:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html?_r=0
     
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    Football, especially the NFL of course, is SO VIOLENT and BRUTAL. It's like small truck collisions. On every single play somewhere and usually a few places.

    It's nothing new either. Ask Gale Sayers, Billy Sims, Joe Theisman, Marcus DuPree, Bo Jackson, Sterling Sharpe, Dan Fouts, Lynn D*ckey.

    It's the only thing I hate about this sport. And it's why I am almost always 100% behind the league when they put in rules to try and outlaw the kinds of hits that result in the most injuries, severe injuries.

    Guapo is right, most of these cannot be blamed on the trainer at all.
    The hamstring strains, I am not sure of.... I remember Isaac Bruce of the Rams always pulled his early in his career. Then it went away.... coincidence or some change in stretching, practicing, not sure.

    Jordy had been durable for us his first 4 seasons so why his hammy is acting up now, not sure. The rolled ankle was obviously due to a crappy low pass where Jordy had to go down low, and got his foot stuck.

    Clay has had issues with the hammy before.....

    I suspect that too much weightlifting is to blame usually for the hammy's popping, but I don't know because I always have avoided squats and leg workouts because I don't like pain, and I do like my chicken legs just fine.
     
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    Well informed, but we have 3 starting players out with hamstring issues. As you pointed out, things can be done to prevent that, and the fact that it happens continually to different players means something is wrong and someone IS to blame. Granted strains of that sort seem to recur, but Nelson had never injured his hamstring before therefore mooting that point.
    Creatine is a ready source of energy that your body naturally produces to help jump start your muscles. Problem is, the more you consume, the less your body produces. Obviously that can be problematic. Its why you have to gradually reduce your dosing to get off creatine.
     
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    That can be an issue, but that can be prevented through various methodologies in your workout. I'd suspect more of that if we had heard of tendons pulling off bone chips.
     
  23. Oshkoshpackfan

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    maybe they all need to do some yoga...lol
     
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    It screws with your water balance as well. It pulls extra water away from the body and into muscle cells. You gain about 5 lbs of water wt because of it. Your body produces as much as you need. Its not worth the risk to gain a little bit during your workouts.
     

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