Still a mess...

[BrokenArrow]

It’s also a dangerous move to put Aaron back under center this soon after this operation and I don’t need an X-ray or a Medical License to come to that conclusion.

And what, exactly, makes you more knowledgeable and wiser than the physicians who are tending him? Sorry but if Dr. McKenzie says he's good to go, then it's factually not a dangerous move. McKenzie is about as cautious as they come, regardless of anything that POS Bennett says.

 

[swhitset]

And what, exactly, makes you more knowledgeable and wiser than the physicians who are tending him? Sorry but if Dr. McKenzie says he's good to go, then it's factually not a dangerous move. McKenzie is about as cautious as they come, regardless of anything that POS Bennett says.

Or at least no more dangerous than playing this game ever is....

 

[Poppa San]

After 3 plus hours ... I see you left sober lol.

Good Wisconsin upbringing. 4 shots over 3 hours? pfffft. I do that for a night cap. (I had a DD so I wasn't driving in case anyone is concerned. She had just 1 of the shots about 2 hours b4 we left.) The shots with my brothers in between along with the bottomless beer glass the whole while on the other hand.

 

[Half Empty]

I am not sure what you think you are responding to, so I will give you some room here. We are talking about the “ Packer fans” during the game calling out the loss, even though we go on to win. IMHO if you do that you are a Fake Packer Fan.

I didn’t realize you were the OP. Oops, you are not. So you can’t speak for someone else, but then do exactly that, yeah, ok.

Sorry, this is for half empty, not Nate.

I just went back to reread why half responded to me, wondering if I missed something. No, half, you never posted here. Why did you take such offense to my retort?

If some of you live your regular lives in such negativity, I have only compassion for your families, coworkers and neighbors. I just don’t get how you go through life that way.

That's the comment to which I referred. Just tried to explain that sports and life are entirely different things. If it came across in some other way, sorry.

 

[Forget Favre]

Honestly, is anyone impressed by today? This franchise isn't going anywhere....


It took Incompetence to beat the worst team in the league....

I'm not happy with the way the Packers are either and would have liked wins against stronger teams even more so.
We are pretty strong with Rodgers and without him we become a weaker team that has to get it done against weaker teams in OT.
It is what it is and I have come to accept that it is beyond my control.
We have to take the wins we can and find some way to be happy with that since that gives us our best chance beyond the season.
I don't have much hope for them either but I'm not going to come down as ******* them as I see in the OP and elsewhere.

 

[lambeaulambo]

and on top of that buggy tried to ban me for catching him watching derby soccer instead of the pack....blasphemy...ROONEY RULES!! LOL

 

[gbgary]

It was a gift....from a rookie in my mind. Most QB's eat that ball, not throw it straight up in the air. Yes, we finally got pressure on him for I believe the first time in the game......but it was a jump ball to what.....5 Packers? I actually was surprised Jones came down with it, figured one of the other 4 Packers would knock it down.

not a gift. the gift would have been from us as Gordon had his man beat in the middle of the field AND their running back was running uncovered down the left sideline. don't know which he was trying to get the ball to (the RB i believe) but either one would have won the the game for them. Matthews saved the game for the Packers by hitting the QB's arm. he had a sack earlier in the game too i believe.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/11/how-clay-matthews-probably-saved-the-packers-season/

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

not a gift. the gift would have been from us as Gordon had his man beat in the middle of the field AND their running back was running uncovered down the left sideline. don't know which he was trying to get the ball to (the RB i believe) but either one would have won the the game for them. Matthews saved the game for the Packers by hitting the QB's arm. he had a sack earlier in the game too i believe.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/11/how-clay-matthews-probably-saved-the-packers-season/

Not sure why a word like "gift" is being debated here. Matthews made a good play yes, but Kizer made a really crappy decision by not getting rid of the ball out of bounds BEFORE Matthews was on him. View it however you want, in my eyes it was a gift from a rookie QB, forced by a good play by Clay. All you had to do was look at Kizer's face when he got up off the ground after the interception, he knew he just messed up big time.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Honestly, is anyone impressed by today? This franchise isn't going anywhere....


It took Incompetence to beat the worst team in the league....

And the week before they took the team with the best record in the AFC down to the wire.

So, there's that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And the week before they took the team with the best record in the AFC down to the wire.

So, there's that.

On the road too

I will admit, that game is about the only game since AR got hurt that has me scratching my head as to how good or how bad this team really is. I guess we may or may not find out this year.

 

[mradtke66]

I will admit, that game is about the only game since AR got hurt that has me scratching my head as to how good or how bad this team really is. I guess we may or may not find out this year.

It comes back to the difference between a "good" team and a "bad" team. Or rather, the distance between the two--not much.

 

[HardRightEdge]

On the road too

I will admit, that game is about the only game since AR got hurt that has me scratching my head as to how good or how bad this team really is. I guess we may or may not find out this year.

I'll tell you a little secret. Pittsburgh isn't that good, and they look worse without Shazier.

Here's another secret. Nobody in the league is all that good this season.

The only team that impressed me as especially tough on both sides of the ball was Philly and then Wentz tore his ACL. Even so, whether you look at Philly with Wentz, LA or MIN, QBs making their first playoff appearance generally don't fare very well.

It makes Rodgers' injury this year that much more disappointing. There was a window of opportunity.

 

[Firethorn1001]

It makes Rodgers' injury this year that much more disappointing. There was a window of opportunity.

Which of course, if by a longshot the Packers would make it to the Super Bowl and win, the 'Ya but.. ' perfectionists will crawl out of the woodwork.

Ya but.. they didn't face Wentz.
Ya but.. they barely beat Cleveland and shouldn't have made the playoffs
Ya but.. <insert some other perceived item to complain about>

Sad existence to only allow yourself to be happy about a win unless every checkbox of 'perfection' ticked off.

 

[Poppa San]

I'll tell you a little secret. Pittsburgh isn't that good, and they look worse without Shazier.

Here's another secret. Nobody in the league is all that good this season.

The only team that impressed me as especially tough on both sides of the ball was Philly and then Wentz tore his ACL. Even so, whether you look at Philly with Wentz, LA or MIN, QBs making their first playoff appearance generally don't fare very well.

It makes Rodgers' injury this year that much more disappointing. There was a window of opportunity.

WAIT A FRIGGIN MINUTE
Are you saying other teams also have warts and areas of concern and it isn't JUST the Packers? Not you necessarily but a huge volume of the posts here lately seem to indicate the Packers wouldn't be favored in a game against Sunnydale Preschool.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

WAIT A FRIGGIN MINUTE
Are you saying other teams also have warts and areas of concern and it isn't JUST the Packers? Not you necessarily but a huge volume of the posts here lately seem to indicate the Packers wouldn't be favored in a game against Sunnydale Preschool.

Would this game be in Green Bay or at Sunnydale?

 

[HardRightEdge]

WAIT A FRIGGIN MINUTE
Are you saying other teams also have warts and areas of concern and it isn't JUST the Packers?

Yeah, that's what I am saying which makes this 3-5 stretch especially regrettable. I'm also saying I don't see the Packers making the playoffs, with or without Rodgers.

 

[Snoops]

I remember when everyone wanted to cut Davante Adams after his second season.... SMH!!!

Totally random but dayuuuummm he is a baddddd man!

 

[HardRightEdge]

Which of course, if by a longshot the Packers would make it to the Super Bowl and win, the 'Ya but.. ' perfectionists will crawl out of the woodwork.

Ya but.. they didn't face Wentz.
Ya but.. they barely beat Cleveland and shouldn't have made the playoffs
Ya but.. <insert some other perleaceived item to complain about>

Sad existence to only allow yourself to be happy about a win unless every checkbox of 'perfection' ticked off.

When you say, "ya but", that sounds like somebody from northern Minnesota. Who cares what they think.

Anyway, I would not be one of those more southerly "yeah, buts". I just don't hold out much hope for getting to the playoffs.

Since I just watch games and pay approximately zero attention to media coverage, I'd have to rely on posters on this forum for the "yeah, buts" And then I would ignore them after a few snarky retorts just for fun.

Once the season is over, regardless of the outcome, we're quickly on to "Capers watch" , free agency , and the draft . As McCarthy would say, "It's a process."

Besides, consider if Palomalu hadn't been gimped up with a bum Achilles whether Jennings would have caught two TDs in front of him, with 2010 ending quite differently. Nobody remembers that. Time heals all "yeah, buts". Or as in this case, some "yeah, buts" even go unnoticed at the time.

 

[swhitset]

On the road too

I will admit, that game is about the only game since AR got hurt that has me scratching my head as to how good or how bad this team really is. I guess we may or may not find out this year.

We all love to talk in extreme hyperbole about the relative strengths of teams and players in the NFL, but the reality is that the difference between the best and worst is really not all that great.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I remember when everyone wanted to cut Davante Adams after his second season.... SMH!!!

Totally random but dayuuuummm he is a baddddd man!

That included McGinn, LOL.

Adams was playing on a bad foot most of the season and never got in rhythm. Too many fans and media types do not give the benefit of the doubt to players playing hurt. The one feature of Adams' game that jumped out from the beginning was how quick he is out of his breaks. Having a bum foot would have surely slowed that roll.

People focused on the drops. When I observed that playing on bum foot would throw off timing, flow, catching mechanics I was lambasted. Well, f' 'em.

That quick break is now being put to work in an effective double move. And he's money on the short slant with that break.

 

[HardRightEdge]

We all love to talk in extreme hyperbole about the relative strengths of teams and players in the NFL, but the reality is that the difference between the best and worst is really not all that great.

There's a lot be said for that assuming you get a respectable QB performance on a given Sunday. The difference between losing to Pittsburgh and beating Cleveland boils down to the former having the habit of winning and the latter the habit of losing. I think a guy named Lombardi mentioned something about those habits.

 

[OldSchool101]

And what, exactly, makes you more knowledgeable and wiser than the physicians who are tending him? Sorry but if Dr. McKenzie says he's good to go, then it's factually not a dangerous move. McKenzie is about as cautious as they come, regardless of anything that POS Bennett says.

I don’t need to be more knowledgeable than our team Dr. to form an opinion. I’m sorry if that upset you you seem easily angered.
My sister was told 30 years ago she wouldn’t make it through an operation and if she did she’d be 90% chance she’d be paralyzed.
She went on to recovery fully 100% and earned her degree as an RN at 22 yrs old. She’s now been in medical field for 30+ years and currently helps terminal patients as they pass away with a sense of dignity and faith few Doctors can provide.
Shes currently has 2 kids and 4 grandchildren and you couldn’t pick her out of a gym full of the healthiest people around. The team of Doctors at Boston Medical and Mayo Clinic basically gave her little to zero chance.
I can’t come close to quantifying the how much expertise and knowledge that 2 teams of doctors at 2 of the worlds leading technological facilities have..
but all of it together pales in comparison to 1 humble woman’s faith and will.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I don’t need to be more knowledgeable than our team Dr. to form an opinion.

At least you admit it's a baseless opinion that has nothing to do with any actual knowledge of the subject at hand.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I don’t need to be more knowledgeable than our team Dr. to form an opinion.

Glad your sister survived whatever malady she had, but I'm not sure how all that equates to collarbone expertise?

 

[OldSchool101]

At least you admit it's a baseless opinion that has nothing to do with any actual knowledge of the subject at hand.

Please correct me but I don’t recall saying I had insider personal medical information on this particular player? Although there have been a handful of people (including Terry Bradshaw for instance) that strongly disagree with you and they’ve suffered the same injury. I’m sorry if I believe someone who has suffered the same injury more than you.
I think you read a little more into that or sounds like you’re upset with Martellus and read a little more into that than many would or somehow it made you feel inferior. Again I apologize If I offended you and I certainly Didn’t intend to stir up some feelings of inadequacy.

Glad your sister survived whatever malady she had, but I'm not sure how all that equates to collarbone expertise?

First. Thank you for your kind words.
The point was that Doctors are human.
Very human. They often make mistakes and are too often put on a pedestal. Even the best Doctors in the world can’t guarantee an injury non reoccurrence (or just about anything for that matter).
There has been much discussion on this topic in the weeks after his injury from multiple sources who delved into the recovery process. Including doctors and specialists. I’ve also heard several football athletes that have had similar injuries say the exact thing I’m saying. I find them credible and while they are not all “Doctors” they’ve experienced it first hand.

Btw. I’m glad Aaron was cleared my initial reaction is one of happiness. I’m also naturally concerned for his safety and I’m not sure why that’s so controversial. If we take the position of NOT concerned? IMO I believe there is some degree self serving reasoning for it.