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Rodgers should get play calling duties.

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Eli Haugen, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. Eli Haugen

    Eli Haugen Cheesehead

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    Since the topic was locked... I'd like to add this little tid-bit to the story line. Clements wont talk about Rodgers duties this year. Makes me think we will see the new super hurry up offense with Rodgers calling plays more... In a string of plays pre-picked maybe? Maybe a list of rules and scenarios to give him perameters? but allowing the offense to walk right up to the line and get a play off, one after another. That will put a huge disadvantage to the defenses we face. With dual threats like Cobb,Montgomery running the ball. and Lacy/Starks, Rodgers catching the ball effectively. We can run or pass much more efficiently than a defense can defend with the same players on the field...

    http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-p...ge-could-give-aaron-rodgers-even-more-control
     
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  2. Eli Haugen

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    You dislike so many of my posts wimm...... I have to assume you have bad eye sight. That agree button is right next to disagree. Maybe we can get the mods to change that? :)
     
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  3. buggybill2003

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    And the ignore button is over on the far left of the screen under his name. It`s a discussion forum Eli. He doesn`t HAVE TO agree with your opinions ! AND he doesn`t go into discussion like a bull at a gate. Just a point !
     
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  4. Twiddlemylobes

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  5. XPack

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    Would the Seahawks game have gone differently had Rodgers had more playcalling duties? I think yes.

    Also agree on the 2nd part. Same personnel, more variations should be the way forward.
     
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  6. captainWIMM

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    Rodgers has the option to change to a pass or a run based on his presnaps reads.

    It's impossible for the QB to take care of substitutions or select a play out of the entire playbook on the field though.

    I think a lot of fans have a wrong idea about how the no-huddle offense works as well. Typically most plays are scripted in advance with Rodgers having a chance to audible to a different play based on the defensive scheme. He doesn't select the plays on his own though.
     
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  7. Eli Haugen

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    just saying i bet Wimm has over half of the 50 "dislikes" i have. I could disagree with a big red X on most his posts too, but it seems a little mean. of the 7 dislikes i've given, I'd say 7 were to wimm to end all. We agree to disagree...:) lol.

    Rodgers has a speaker in his helmet Wimm. He has Wrs that can run. RBs that can catch. And a big young TE who reminded me of pre-molestation Chamura. Blocking and catching. Not to mention Aaron Rodgers has been involved in this system as long as the coaches were. He's 2 time MVP football genius... YOU CANT TELL ME they couldnt find a way to do it..... And if we do accomplish this feat. We have a huge advantage against defenses. Besides wearing them out. We can prevent their substitutions!!! If a defense cant put in run stop specialists, and pass stopping specialists. Now they are forced to play both with who ever is on the field. I wouldnt try it with the Vikings. But GB, yes.
     
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    You want Rodgers to take over play calling duties, what does he need a speaker in his helmet for then???
     
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  9. Eli Haugen

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    So you say he cant have any input from coaches while he runs the offense? I said earlier, he could call plays with certain rules for certain situations. have a list of chosen plays to pick from for blitz of half dozen plays in a row...

    Going to the line with a play if they show run defense, and another if they show pass defense. Thats fine and works. But Rodgers has more capacity than 2 plays in that head of his... Let loose the reigns and see what happens. Take the time usually spent sending in the play, to tell rodgers about weaknesses they see in the defense... Lots of good things if Rodgers can pull it off. I think he can.
     
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    Isn't that pretty much what he did last season in the games they ran no huddle? I recall many instances of AR calling the play at the line. What GB doesn't do often is a hurry up no huddle.
     
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  11. captainWIMM

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    Rodgers has been able to audible to a different play for quite some time now. There are limitations though to what he can change on the line of scrimmage based on the personnel.

    The Packers led the league in scoring while having only the 24th fastest paced offense, taking 28.32 seconds per play. Two other teams (Seattle, Dallas) ranked in the top 10 in scoring finished 31st and dead last in this category.

    There's some merit to use a super fast paced offense depending on the dituation but exclusively running it limits the offense's options as well.

    BTW my previous reply was about you declaring the Packers should hand over the play calling duties to Rodgers in the thread title.
     
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    Isn't this exactly what happens now, I believe it's called an audible? I'm not seeing the point to this thread or am I missing something with our offense? Did we finish last in the league in offense or something last year and I just dreamt that we finished first? The offense isn't broken so why are you trying so hard to fix it?
     
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    he's been doing this every year, but thanks for the thought?
     
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    Agree with this. The audible package is always pre-scripted. The QB can choose one of the pre-scripted plays as a live change, but the available list is limited and further cut down by players he has on the field.

    I think the big difference will be QB input on game strategy. In a short 4th down situation, the QB should decide if he wants to go for a FG or make attempt for a TD. I got the feeling that had Rodgers made the calls, we might have been more aggressive and not settled for FG's last season...things like that...

    Because the our teams players has changed? Because opposition teams/players will have changed too? Waiting for a team to be 'broken' before you consider improvements is a bad way to go about things, imo.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Packers returning all 11 starters from the offense that ranked #1 in the league last year?
     
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  16. Joe Nor Cal Packer

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    Rodgers can change the play call at the line but he can't decide who to bring in. The game can really only be called by the coach, this year that's Clements. Fortunately Rodgers is very good at reading a D and making the right audible. But he can only work with the players already lined up.
     
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    Great point. Rodgers' influence on the game plan has for sure steadily increased since he became the starter and will continue to do so in the coming years.

    After the Seahawks loss he was critical of the offense not being aggressive enough, so maybe he will try to change that this season.
     
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    If we cant change players then the defense cnt either. Our guys are more diverse and able to run and pass both effectively with the same guys.
     
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    Like it or not, I think McCarthy will retain this responsibility. IMO that doesn't come under play-calling duties - that's up a level to game management.
     
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    This has to be one of the biggest wrinkles I'm interested in finding out with all the variables in play. 4th down with the game on the line..who calls the play?
     
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    Yeah, I think it'll be retained by the coach...but it can be argued either way.

    Be it a normal drive or one that the game hangs on, it should be the same. I'd argue Rodgers is best positioned to get a feel on whether a play would work or not.

    Any other QB, I would argue against...but in Rodgers, I trust!
     
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    There´s no doubt McCarthy has the final say about game planning but I´m quite sure Rodgers has some influence on it as well.

    This season it will be Tom Clements calling the play. The thing I´m most interested in is if Rodgers will be allowed to audible to a different play in that scenario. I don´t think it has ever been addressed in the media after the NFCCG but I got the impression that Rodgers wasn´t allowed to change the play at the LOS during the two three and outs late in the fourth quarter.

    Rodgers is for sure capable of calling plays for another QB standing on the sideline. It´s a way different story being on the field though.
     
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    I don't have any doubt about that generally. What I was responding to specifically is whether or not Rodgers alone can make the decision to go for it on fourth down. IMO there's almost no chance of that. Could he audible on fourth and short? I'll bet he can. But the FG vs. go for it decision wouldn't be his.
     
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    Players play, coaches coach. People try and make too much of this. Of course they ask Rodgers for input in game plans, of course they'll ask him what he's seeing out there too and they'll most definitely give him the ability to audible into other plays. But quit trying to turn it into something else. He's not a player coach, he's not going to be. Those days are long, long gone
     
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