Parsons Trade

[OldSchool101]

I'm sure Joe will tell you himself, but in case he misses this post. He has always called him "Gluten" and I don't think it is out of disrespect. I take it the same way as me just calling him "Gute". Kind of like Bahk, I always spell the full last name wrong.

Oh. I thought Gluten was used because he stretched the dough (bread) out so good. I’ll have to rethink this.

 

[Zad Fnark]

I'm cautiously optimistic about this. All the memes out there showing Cowboys fans losing their minds helps my frame of mind.

 

[OldSchool101]

Ahh. Now let’s look at the real math. It’s actually a 5yr X $202mil base $8mil in escalators. So really a base $40.3Mil per year X 5 + $2m in annual incentives starting in 2026.. if he’s present and healthy each week.


So like myself, many are quick to jump on this contract without applying the 5th year option + Plus workout and per game bonus’. It’s really best case $41.9Mil across 5 years deal. Not such a massive increase (just over $1m per year) over the leagues top non QB deal.

 

[mradtke66]

Neither player earned their top dollar contract. Neither player finished that contract.

Splitting hairs--I'd say they earned their contract. They played outstanding to get it, therefore, they earned it.

The didn't play up to it/them.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Curly Lambeau wore #1 and it's "unofficially" off limits. Wonder if Curly's great grand daughter will grant permission?

It's not up to his "great grand daughter." It's unofficially retired, and to fully honor him, the franchise will never allow any player to wear it again. The end.

Zero is available and is probable to be the number Micah chooses. I have not been following the latest news on the number thing, perhaps Jayden Reed has worked out a deal with Micah for 11. Otherwise, it's probable it will be zero.

Maybe we will find out at the 6 pm press conference today, Friday.

 

[El Guapo]

I'm sure Joe will tell you himself, but in case he misses this post. He has always called him "Gluten" and I don't think it is out of disrespect. I take it the same way as me just calling him "Gute". Kind of like Bahk, I always spell the full last name wrong.

Shortening someone's name is one thing. Changing it to something else (like Gluten) to me is a different ball of wax, unless you know the person personally and know that it is fine with them.

I went through this with HeyJoe4 a while ago. He doesn't feel that it's disrespectful. I disagree but it's not worth me getting all bent out of shape about. HeyJoe4 is a respected member on here so I moved on.

 

[El Guapo]

Ahh. Now let’s look at the real math. It’s actually a 5yr X $202mil base $8mil in escalators. So really a base $40.3Mil per year X 5 + $2m in annual incentives starting in 2026.. if he’s present and healthy each week.


So like myself, many are quick to jump on this contract without applying the 5th year option + Plus workout and per game bonus’. It’s really best case $41.9Mil across 5 years deal. Not such a massive increase (just over $1m per year) over the leagues top non QB deal.

Listening to a few podcasts this morning. I learned that Parsons really wanted a 4yr deal (plus the 5th) while Dallas was offering a new 5yr deal.

Another thing that I learned was that with Kenny Clark's contract escalation, there was a decent chance that he would be released at the end of this season or next unless he was willing to restructure. While we dumped a beloved member of the Packers, we stuck with the old adage of dumping a player a year early rather than a year late.

 

[RRyder]

Why wouldn't Bahk be part of the conversation? The Packers gave him a huge contract, with a ton of it guaranteed. It didn't work out. If his age was a factor and his play, as you say, was on the decline, why was he given all that money? Fortunately, the Packers didn't give up high draft picks to obtain Bahk.

Jones? What did the Chiefs initially invest in him? Pick #37. His contracts have worked out well for the Chiefs. It has also helped that Jones has been a virtual iron man, only missing 7 games in his 9 year career.

There are plenty of players that play past 33 and plenty of players that don't play past 26. So as you say, you can't cherry pick, but have to look at what can happen and does. I hope Parsons plays at a pro bowl level and is healthy for his entire time in Green Bay. However, there is a risk that he doesn't fulfill both of those things, health and good play.

My main point is not really about Micah Parsons, but more about investing as much as the Packers just did in 1 player.

Ok so let me just ask how much are you willing to invest in one player?

I'd have to imagine the contract amount is the hold up for you but a lot of the optics from the draft capital are a hold up so let's go down the rabbit hole

Hypothetical Gute has a crystal ball, can see into the future heading into the draft and he KNOWS how good Parsons will be. (no one else has the crystal ball otherwise obviously hes going #1)

Now let's just say the Packers are sitting at 25. The have to trade up to let's say to 6 or 7 to get him. What are you willing to give up to trade up that far in the draft?

To me a that 25th pick plus a 1st round pick the following years probably wouldnt even be enough to trade up that high. Let's say Kenny is worth a 4th so that gets closer but even then im not sure a team accepts it.

But the the question is do you think that's a deal worth making knowing youre going to have to pay him top dollar eventually?

If so is it just getting the 4 years of rookie scale that make it worth to you?

If not then what is the maximum you'd ever give up for a player HoF level player?

 

[mradtke66]

Third. Reggie accepted a 4 year deal for $17M. That's roughly $38 million today when accounting for inflation. That is $38M for 4 years, Parsons is getting paid more than that for 1 year.

This ignores the era.

When he signed in 1993, he was the 3rd highest paid player in the league. By the end of the season, he was still 5th highest, with Young and Aikman getting extensions.

In 1994, which I think was the first year having a cap, the cap was 34.6M. He was 12.4% of the cap.

By Year Micha counts for:

2025: 3.5%
2026: 6.2%
2027: 7.9%
2028: 17.3% <--- Base salary jumps here and where he could get cut.
2029: 16.7%

 

[tynimiller]

I've seen this brought up across the internet. "This is exactly like when Wolf signed Reggie". No it isn't. First, the Packers were mired in a loosing culture. Players didn't even want to come to Green Bay. Reggie changed that. Green Bay suddenly became a place to come and play. THIS was probably Reggie's biggest contribution, long term to the Packers.

Second. The Packers didn't give up a player and 2 first round picks to acquire Reggie. He was a Free Agent.

Third. Reggie accepted a 4 year deal for $17M. That's roughly $38 million today when accounting for inflation. That is $38M for 4 years, Parsons is getting paid more than that for 1 year.

Nice try though.

The NFL contract growth has far out grew the inflation rate….

 

[El Guapo]

This ignores the era.

When he signed in 1993, he was the 3rd highest paid player in the league. By the end of the season, he was still 5th highest, with Young and Aikman getting extensions.

I'll add on that Reggie White was the first significant player to test free agency. It sounded like crazy money in 1993 (and was) but the amounts that free agents get paid to switch teams is significantly higher in the modern era of free agency.

I get why some are comparing the Parsons signing to White. It has the potential to be a trajectory changer. However, the salaries and team caps are so much different today that it really defies comparison.

 

[mradtke66]

I get why some are comparing the Parsons signing to White. It has the potential to be a trajectory changer. However, the salaries and team caps are so much different today that it really defies comparison.

Cap percentage is really the only thing that’s close. And that doesn’t matter as much as teams have learned to optimize and play tricks to shuffle when cap hits are realized. 30 years of the cap has taught them a lot.

Looking over the contract from a pure cap perspective: we could keep parsons for 3 years, then cut him, and have less dead cap than we just absorbed by trading Clark.

 

[Pugger]

Hadl wasn't considered to be washed up at the time. Nor did he come with a huge guaranteed salary price tag like that of Parsons.

A 34-year-old Hadl was traded to Green Bay for five draft picks—first and second round picks for 1975 and 1976, as well as a third round pick in 1975. This lone boneheaded move set this franchise back for almost 20 years. We gave up 2 firsts yesterday for one of the best pass rushers in the league today in his prime.

 

[Pugger]

The Hadl trade, under any light, was desperate and costly - two first round picks, two seconds and a third.

Poker is right - Hadl was by no means washed up, or even declining when the trade was made. Even so, it was an act of total desperation by, I think, Dan Devine, or maybe Starr. The trade extended the horrible play for probably the next five seasons.

Devine

 

[El Guapo]

Has anyone in this thread brought up the character and leadership issues that are potentially coming with Micah Parsons?

 

[gopkrs]

Has anyone in this thread brought up the character and leadership issues that are potentially coming with Micah Parsons?

No. And I don't know anything about those. Do I want to?

 

[weeds]

His presser is about to start and you'd swear that God himself is about to grace us. Cutting into a 20 years anniversary story on Katrina

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Has anyone in this thread brought up the character and leadership issues that are potentially coming with Micah Parsons?

That's the first thing I wondered about.

What do we know about this second coming of Christ that goes by the name Micah Parsons,
besides being a very wealthy man.

That's all need is another troublemaker in the locker room like Farve and Rodgers.

 

[DoURant]

He sounded like a pretty down to earth guy in the presser.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Micah said: "I'm going with #1." Not sure if they told him it is unofficially retired. I know Matthew Golden wanted #1 and they told him no.

We will see, but Micah at this time thinks he is going to be wearing #1 for the Pack.

 

[longtimefan]

Parson gets paid more than what Jones paid for the cowboys when he bought the team

 

[gopkrs]

He sounded like a pretty down to earth guy in the presser.

I just listened to it. I agree. He sounded fine. Don't know about that #1 though. How could they possibly give it to him if they wouldn't give to Golden? So now the question for me is, do they play him right away? My first thought was for sure, I'm sure he has kept in shape. I guess it will depend more on how he looks physically than how well he knows the playbook.

 

[Thirteen Below]

No. And I don't know anything about those. Do I want to?

Probably not, but we're all going to find out soon enough anyway. So might as well get to it.

First, try googling "parsons penn state hazing ****** abuse". I don't even want to repeat some of the things in that incident; people should just read it themselves. Prepare to be disgusted.

Ok, so, people can change as they grow up. Maybe he's not that kind of guy anymore. But it still doesn't speak well of him.

More recently, he's been pretty controversial in the locker room. Over the years, players have gone to management a number of times to complain about his aittutude, and the words "toxic" and "diva" come up fairly often. More than one Dallas beat writer was saying as far back as Year 2 that Jones was not going to restructure him, because he was too controversial, divisive, and a distraction.

Jones also felt that Parsons wasn't showing the kind of leadership a star player should provide, and there was reporting that Jones first started looking into trading him at least 2 years ago.

Last year, he pissed a lot of people off when he started a podcast, and was critical of some teammates. Several players (including Demarcus Lawrence) called him out for running his mouth, talking the talk but not walking the walk on leadership, and when Parsons slapped back, Lawrence said "Calling me a clown won’t change the fact that I told the truth. Maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn’t have left".

Soo, there it is. My hope is that if he steps into a much more healthy, mature team culture, and gets a fresh start, maybe he'll turn over a new leaf.

 

[gopkrs]

Well, I hope that if he doesn't want to be a leader; that we don't try and force him into it. Just because you are great player; it doesn't imho mean you have to lead with anything more than your play. And yeah, I didn't read it, but I hope he's grown up. Those hazing things got absolutely ruthless at more places than one. Even sororities. Pathetic really.

 

[El Guapo]

More recently, he's been pretty controversial in the locker room. Over the years, players have gone to management a number of times to complain about his aittutude, and the words "toxic" and "diva" come up fairly often. More than one Dallas beat writer was saying as far back as Year 2 that Jones was not going to restructure him, because he was too controversial, divisive, and a distraction.

Jones also felt that Parsons wasn't showing the kind of leadership a star player should provide, and there was reporting that Jones first started looking into trading him at least 2 years ago.

Last year, he pissed a lot of people off when he started a podcast, and was critical of some teammates. Several players (including Demarcus Lawrence) called him out for running his mouth, talking the talk but not walking the walk on leadership, and when Parsons slapped back, Lawrence said "Calling me a clown won’t change the fact that I told the truth. Maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn’t have left".

I hadn't heard about the hazing. I did hear about the diva and leadership stuff, which is somewhat concerning to me. I could see Dallas being the kind of place that breeds that behavior, but I'm not in denial that it doesn't and can't happen in Green Bay.

My hope is that we have strong enough veterans on this team (Gary, Tom, Clark, McKinney, etc.) that set the tone for attitude and behavior.