Parsons Trade

[OldSchool101]

Ok so let me just ask how much are you willing to invest in one player?

I'd have to imagine the contract amount is the hold up for you but a lot of the optics from the draft capital are a hold up so let's go down the rabbit hole

Hypothetical Gute has a crystal ball, can see into the future heading into the draft and he KNOWS how good Parsons will be. (no one else has the crystal ball otherwise obviously hes going #1)

Now let's just say the Packers are sitting at 25. The have to trade up to let's say to 6 or 7 to get him. What are you willing to give up to trade up that far in the draft?

To me a that 25th pick plus a 1st round pick the following years probably wouldnt even be enough to trade up that high. Let's say Kenny is worth a 4th so that gets closer but even then im not sure a team accepts it.

But the the question is do you think that's a deal worth making knowing youre going to have to pay him top dollar eventually?

If so is it just getting the 4 years of rookie scale that make it worth to you?

If not then what is the maximum you'd ever give up for a player HoF level player?

Exactly. Now there’s good arguments both ways of going multiple players. I think it ultimately comes down to how close the Roster is to Super Bowl level. IMO this is as close a SB Roster we’ve seen and we have depth at just about every position except maybe CB. Even then we’ve got adequate level guys, they’re just not battle tested.

As long as Parsons retains his health, he will maintain high level draft capital value. Possibly in the neighborhood of how we moved Davante and scooped
a #22, #53. Mark my words we’ll likely recoup most of the draft capital we spent.

2025 brings THREE more 1st Rounders into the mix that didn’t even play here last season. Morgan and Golden and Parsons. We forget to factor that also. By the 2027 draft, GB will likely have multiplied pairs of 3rd/4th/5th round comps and we’ll have 8-9 selections. This was a crafty move by Gute and expect to see some high echelon games. Not sure how fast we’ll start, but I speculate by game 4-5 or so (@dallas?) we start rocking teams.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m also going to make a bold prediction. If Parsons and Gary stay healthy, they’ll give the feel of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. They were a formidable duo that many older guys remember rocked a KC logo.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

A better example is JaInjurie. At one time he was considered a top CB in the league and the Packers DID pay him top dollar. They did the same with Bahk.

Neither player earned their top dollar contract. Neither player finished that contract. What both players did do was give the Packers headaches in the cap department.

I would have less issue with paying top dollar contracts if they weren't guaranteed. Guaranteed money is what gets you into cap hell and the Packers just repeated that mistake with Parsons.

Only way this trade and contract works out "well" for the Packers. Parsons plays at a Pro Bowl level throughout his contract AND stays healthy. You tell me, what are the odds of that happening? I will tell you the odds of having to report his guaranteed money, as well as the loss of 2 first round picks and Kenny Clark, that is 100%.

If you build a team and are scared that players will get hurt then you will never re-sign a truly elite player. I don't believe that's a good team building method. However, in answer to your question let's look at really expensive defensive contracts and how often those players get hurt:
- Miles Garrett - In the last five he's missed 4 games
- TJ Watt - In the last five years he's missed 9 games
- Danielle Hunter - Last five season he missed all of 2020 and 10 games in 2021 but played every game the past three seasons
- Maxx Crosby has missed six games over the past five seasons
- Nick Bosa has missed 18 games over the last five seasons

I think you, like many, are extremely loss averse and focus a little too heavily on the unlikely occurrence of some catastrophic injury. Yes, this is football. Any player can be lost on any play for any number of games...but it's important to remember that MOST players don't get hurt that often. Micah Parsons is only 26 and the first game he missed due to injury was last season; it was a high ankle sprain, hardly something that indicates an increased likelihood of getting injured in the future.

Yes, the team needs to field an absolutely elite defense for this trade to be worth it, NFC champions at least once over the next two seasons. But, the Packers now have a very good chance of being the NFC champions, something that fans couldn't say pre-trade (at least not without unhealthy amounts of copium). It's a risk, but the reward is ENORMOUS.

 

[Magooch]

I love the way Bill Barnwell puts it in his piece on the trade. IMO he’s spot-on.

It's an incredible amount of resources to pour into one player. And just like the Cowboys, the Packers will believe this is a problem that they might not have needed to address if their draft picks had lived up to expectations. After signing Za'Darius Smith and Preston Smith in free agency before the 2019 season, Gutekunst started to build for the future by using his first-round pick that year on edge rusher Rashan Gary and his 2023 first-rounder on Lukas Van Ness.

Gary has emerged as a solid two-way defender, and he made the Pro Bowl last season. But he has yet to top 10 sacks in a single season. Gary has at least lived up to expectations, but Van Ness -- drafted just before the likes of Will McDonald IV and Christian Gonzalez -- has only seven sacks over his first two years and hasn't been able to command starting snaps. If the Packers had drafted McDonald, who had 10.5 sacks and 24 knockdowns last season for the Jets, would they feel the need to make a move for Parsons?

In terms of their broader roster construction, though, you can understand why the Packers would believe they're in a position to take this sort of plunge. Gutekunst has done an excellent job of building through the draft and creating a roster that generates plenty of surplus value from players on rookie deals. The Packers are very disciplined, and as we've seen, they are more than comfortable moving on from players when Gutekunst believes they're no longer producing what their salaries would suggest.

What Green Bay doesn't have, though, is star power. Gutekunst has hit a lot of singles and doubles, and there's still plenty of time left to evaluate many of the players on his roster. But the Packers didn't have many players who projected to be among the best at their position in 2025. Outside of Gary, their two other Pro Bowlers a year ago were McKinney and Josh Jacobs, both of whom were signed in free agency. Though I'm still plenty optimistic about Jordan Love and think Edgerrin Cooper has All-Pro potential, the Packers didn't have a player like Parsons.

With Love and Parsons combining to average $102 million per season at the top of the roster, the Packers will have to make some tougher choices in the years to come. The writing might have already been on the wall at receiver after Gutekunst used picks on Matthew Golden and Savion Williams this April, but it's difficult to imagine the Packers retaining the likes of Jayden Reed, Romeo Doubs or Christian Watson on second contracts. It would hardly be a surprise if the Packers move on from 29-year-old center Elgton Jenkins after the season, a decision that would save the team $20 million in 2026, albeit at the expense of its most versatile lineman.

At the same time, NFL teams aren't built solely on surplus value, and you're not going to win a Super Bowl just by virtue of having 53 decent players on rookie deals.

There are a few players in the league who are force multipliers -- who not only have a significant impact themselves but also a meaningful one on the players around them. Getting one of those guys usually means drafting them and holding on to them for as long as possible, because they don't come up for trades in the prime of their careers and almost never hit free agency. There's no choice but to pay a premium for them, but they're the only players who have a realistic shot of being the best guy on the field for a team that wins the Super Bowl.

 

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[GreenBaySlacker]

He's actually a lot closer to prime JJ Watt then your giving him credit for

Loved Kenny but he was miscast in the 4-3 and hasnt been a "stud" for a few years.

People hating on this trade are either nuts or dont know just how good Parsons is. If he isnt the best defensive player in the league hes a close 2nd and fills the need this team desperately needed filled.

We just got a 26 year old All Pro edge rusher who doubles as an All Pro stand up linebacker

Hafley having wet dreams about what he can do with Parsons on this defense tonight.

That makes me feel better. You're right I may not be giving him the credit he deserves.

Disagree about Clark being miscast, and not a "stud". He didn't get doubled. Or take on the double ... He forced the double.... And that opens everyone else up.

But it seems there are plenty of big body explosive DT out there available in the mid rounds and affordable free agents who are a fraction of Clarks money.
But I sure do like having two dominant DTs. That's my favorite strategy. Two DTs who can force the double. And it opens up everyone. Its Pass rusher league though.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Not sure. Pretty sure GB rips up the old deal though and on our side he’s $47.5M so it’s not an extension it’s a reworked deal.

I’m just thinking Edgerrin Cooper, Quay Walker and Micah Parsons in line? That there. That’s substantial

And Gary

 

[Voyageur]

I don't know why, but everything I've seen related to Parsons in his interviews and the way he seems to view the game, his attitude reminds me of Terrell Owens, whom I thought was a jack***. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have an unhealthy feeling about the chemistry he's going to bring to the locker-room.

 

[El Guapo]

I don't know why, but everything I've seen related to Parsons in his interviews and the way he seems to view the game, his attitude reminds me of Terrell Owens, whom I thought was a jack***. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have an unhealthy feeling about the chemistry he's going to bring to the locker-room.

Then again, sometimes Andre Rison or Chris Carter matures as they grow and age.

 

[El Guapo]

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I hope that Matt didn't loan Micah his pajamas...or personally drive him from the airport like Brad Childress!

 

[Voyageur]

This made me laugh.

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[DoURant]

I don't know why, but everything I've seen related to Parsons in his interviews and the way he seems to view the game, his attitude reminds me of Terrell Owens, whom I thought was a jack***. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have an unhealthy feeling about the chemistry he's going to bring to the locker-room.

Did you watch his interview tonight? I thought he came off genuine, he's about his family, he understands the tradition in Green Bay and he wants to win. It's a fresh start for him, I'm going to judge him with how he is in Green Bay.

 

[childerm]

Third. Reggie accepted a 4 year deal for $17M. That's roughly $38 million today when accounting for inflation. That is $38M for 4 years, Parsons is getting paid more than that for 1 year.

I think your math is a little off here.

A 4 year $17M deal from 1993 is more equivalent to a 4 year $135M-ish contract in today’s money. No clue where you came up with the 38m for 4 years. ChatGPT?

Though Parsons is getting paid more, it is still fairly in line with player contracts of the same caliber.

 

[Voyageur]

Did you watch his interview tonight? I thought he came off genuine, he's about his family, he understands the tradition in Green Bay and he wants to win. It's a fresh start for him, I'm going to judge him with how he is in Green Bay.

It's not what he said today, it's his history.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I don't know why, but everything I've seen related to Parsons in his interviews and the way he seems to view the game, his attitude reminds me of Terrell Owens, whom I thought was a jack***. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have an unhealthy feeling about the chemistry he's going to bring to the locker-room.

I’m pretty sure most of the stories you’re hearing are just cowboys leaks trying to spin this trade. He was a good enough locker room guy that Jerry was willing to make him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.

 

[Magooch]

I think your math is a little off here.

A 4 year $17M deal from 1993 is more equivalent to a 4 year $135M-ish contract in today’s money. No clue where you came up with the 38m for 4 years. ChatGPT?

Though Parsons is getting paid more, it is still fairly in line with player contracts of the same caliber.

Reggie White's initial deal he signed with the Packers was for a TOTAL of 17m over four years, not per year.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I’m pretty sure most of the stories you’re hearing are just cowboys leaks trying to spin this trade. He was a good enough locker room guy that Jerry was willing to make him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.

Agree. Suddenly Micah is one step removed from Stalin. All the stories just seem like a guy getting dumped by the prom queen, but he is ok with it because she had pointy elbows and he just couldn't deal with it any more.

Jerry is getting blasted in the media so he has to spin it.

 

[gopkrs]

Has Dallas won a Superbowl since Barry Switzer? And that was Jimmy Johnson's team. Getting rid of him was all Jones' ego. That sort of cancelled out the Herschel trade it was so bad. But I'm very glad it happened that way.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Russ Ball is a wizard

Micah's cap hit this year: 10 million
Micah's cap hit in 2026: 19 million
Micah's cap hit in 2027: 27 million

We can worry about '28 and beyond later. The cap hits for the next 3 years are team friendly.

 

[Voyageur]

Since the Packers seem intent on pushing towards the Super Bowl this year, this article points out a player that I'd agree, could help our secondary. Jabrill Peppers is a good safety, and could fit in nicely next to McKinney while the younger players are developing their game. It also gives the Packers more depth in an area that's needed.

as far as salary, I think Peppers would come with a reasonable price tag on a one-year contract. After this season, it probably wouldn't matter anyhow.

MSN

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[Voyageur]

The more I read about the trade to get Parsons, the more the story changes. The cap hit is a little friendlier because of voidable years at the end, and performance bonuses. Also, two first round picks and despite losing Clark, we did not take a hit of significant dead cap. Kenny is also going to hit 30 in October, and if we kept him next year the cap hit would be over $20 mill.

Next, they must feel that other players, including Van Ness, can create a good mix so Clark won't be missed that much.

As far as the hype surrounding it, I get it, and it is infectious. In fact, the more I read, the more excited I got about it. Then that little bird of concern entered my mind again, asking what happens if Parsons is injured and misses an extensive amount of time? I guess that doesn't really matter at this point. Keep our fingers crossed and hope he plays the downs necessary.

I do get a kick out of the way the media and fans are kicking Jerry Jones around. They're talking about him like he's become the Packers b-iatch. That alone makes me happy.

 

[Heyjoe4]

In the past, everytime when we have been "in the conversation" to add a great player, via trade or FA, it's "we won't pay him" or "yeah, we are always in the conversation, but we never get the player". For at least a week, we were in the "Conversation", and yesterday, we came out on top, and added an elite player. Now people are pissed because of what we gave up, or the size of the contract. I couldn't give too $hits about the contract, or the Draft Picks right now. The cap is the cap, it goes up every year and is munipulated by every team with void years, pushing $$ out to future years, etc. so they can sign players. The Packers "will" find ways to sign guys, and they "will" also cut guys to do it, we do it every year.

We haven't won a Super Bowl since 2010, adding Parsons gives us a better chance to get there. I'm tired of losing in the NFC Championship Game, or the Wild Card round every year, and hearing "Well, hopefully we will do it next year". I want our team to try and do/be better, I love that we are all in, and that's what this acquisition is all about. If we don't make it to the promised land, it will be disappointing, but at least we finally shot our shot, and took the chance for once.

Be Happy, "You" and "I" have no control over what the Packers do, so try to enjoy the ride...I know that's what I'm going to try to do. This is the biggest trade to acquire an elite player that we ever did, this is new territory for us. Prior to this, we were always on the otherside of it ( Favre, Rodgers, Adams), and I like the taste of this much better.

Thanks D for summarizing what I have had trouble articulating. I think the last straw was when someone posted that Parsons isn't good defending the run. Really?!? The guy's job, and his unique skill is getting after the QB.

I'm with you. I'm tired of the four straight NFCCG losses since the last SB. I will admit that Love's first season as a starter was fun, with a playoff run I certainly didn't expect. And last year was one and done.

I give Gluten credit for taking the risk that TT would never take (RIP Ted). This is a GM doing everything possible to stay competitive and give his team and fans a realistic expectation go getting back to the SB. Was the trade fair? Is the contract too rich? The trade was a coup imo. As for the comp, welcome to today's rich (and getting richer) NFL. My guess is that there were other teams involved similar to the Packers and Parsons' agent was able to get this bid.

Bottom line, I really like this move, and I think most people here do as well.

Nope. We got a 1st and a 2nd for him.

Green Bay Packers trade Davante Adams to Las Vegas Raiders

In a blockbuster trade, the Raiders acquired Davante Adams from the Packers for two 2022 draft picks, including their first-rounder. Las Vegas is giving the star receiver a new 5-year contract, a source told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Damn, thanks Suds. Hey I'm an old man and my memory isn't what it used to be, not that it was that good to begin with.

And thanks for going to the trouble to find the link.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm only talking this year since everyone is so gung ho on trading. Plenty time to think about these things after this year. Especially since we would not get worth it compensation NOW. At least imho

Good point and that's why talking trade now is kinda pointless. No team is gonna give up much now for Doubs or even Watson. I hope they have career years, but then they will get paid in FA. And with the Parsons' deal, well that's gonna put a clamp on FA for a while.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm sure Joe will tell you himself, but in case he misses this post. He has always called him "Gluten" and I don't think it is out of disrespect. I take it the same way as me just calling him "Gute". Kind of like Bahk, I always spell the full last name wrong.

Thanks Poker, much appreciated. And as you note, I've been referring to him this way for as long as I can remember. I think it was an accident. I'm pretty sure I wanted to type Gute or Gutey and Gluten just came out and it stuck. No one seems to mind, well most.....

And yes, it is not a sign of disrespect. In fact I have a lot of respect for him and how well he has handled the transition from Rodgers to Love so seamlessly. Not many GMs could have pulled that off. In fact, that had a lot with being in position for the Parsons' deal.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The more I read about the trade to get Parsons, the more the story changes. The cap hit is a little friendlier because of voidable years at the end, and performance bonuses. Also, two first round picks and despite losing Clark, we did not take a hit of significant dead cap. Kenny is also going to hit 30 in October, and if we kept him next year the cap hit would be over $20 mill.

Next, they must feel that other players, including Van Ness, can create a good mix so Clark won't be missed that much.

As far as the hype surrounding it, I get it, and it is infectious. In fact, the more I read, the more excited I got about it. Then that little bird of concern entered my mind again, asking what happens if Parsons is injured and misses an extensive amount of time? I guess that doesn't really matter at this point. Keep our fingers crossed and hope he plays the downs necessary.

I do get a kick out of the way the media and fans are kicking Jerry Jones around. They're talking about him like he's become the Packers b-iatch. That alone makes me happy.

Nicely said V. The comment on Jerruh is LOL funny. Jerruh is being crucified in Dallas, I think.

And yeah, there are good points for and against the trade/contract. My guess is that there was at least one other SB-hopeful team involved, and while trade comp may have been the same, Parsons' agent was able to start a little price war, or a big price war.

And as you note, these contracts carry a lot more detail than what we see. This has all probably been in the works for at least a month.