Packers at Dallas Live Game Thread (Week4)

[Pokerbrat2000]

They did that at least 3 times, unacceptable to say the least. Stand on the goal line, if you have to move forward at all, catch it and run. If you have to back up down it and get the ball at the 35. This isn't rocket science.

I could be wrong here, but really the only good choice on those kickoffs that bounced just short of the goal line and then fielded by the Packers, would be to return them or fair catch them. If I read the new kickoff rules, downing them in the EZ (after they hit short of it) brings the ball to the 20, not the 35. Which was what the Packers were doing. Fair catching them gives you the ball at the 25.

Let's face it, Brandon Aubrey is a great kicker and he seems to have perfected the perfect kickoff. He doesn't kick it into the endzone, he makes it hit just short of it and leave the returner only 2 choices, return it or down it and get the ball at the 20. Add to that the fact that Aubrey is 9 of 9 on FG's, with 4 longer than 50 yards. He is also perfect on XP's.

One can only hope that Bisaccia was paying attention last night and gets McManus to work on consistently landing his kickoffs just short of the EZ.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You mistyped. Fixed it for you - MLF is one of the best HC in the league. Easily top half.

I didn't mistype it. I know how you feel about MLF, but if the Packers fire him at the end of the season, which I don't think will happen, I think his stock as a HC goes down. His stock as an OC will be high.

 

[tynimiller]

I did mistype it. Thanks Tyni!

I corrected it for you lol

 

[milani]

I could be wrong here, but really the only good choice on those kickoffs that bounced just short of the goal line and then fielded by the Packers, would be to return them or fair catch them. If I read the new kickoff rules, downing them in the EZ (after they hit short of it) brings the ball to the 20, not the 35. Which was what the Packers were doing. Fair catching them gives you the ball at the 25.

Let's face it, Brandon Aubrey is a great kicker and he seems to have perfected the perfect kickoff. He doesn't kick it into the endzone, he makes it hit just short of it and leave the returner only 2 choices, return it or down it and get the ball at the 20. Add to that the fact that Aubrey is 9 of 9 on FG's, with 4 longer than 50 yards. He is also perfect on XP's.

One can only hope that Bisaccia was paying attention last night and gets McManus to work on consistently landing his kickoffs just short of the EZ.

Ideally, we can make good returns from the goal line. That is what set us up to beat Cleveland. But the ugly stat through the first 3 games was how many times were we penalized on the kickoff return because we cannot block?

 

[rmontro]

Pro Football Reference's QB Rating displays the official NFL Passer Rating, a much simpler metric based on a publicly known formula that only uses passing statistics.

This is a little hard to explain, so bear with me. From what I understand, ESPN just made up the QBR (QB Rating) themselves, so it isn't an official NFL statistic. There's some mystery as to how it's calculated, as @pacmaniac mentioned. That's why I don't usually reference it.

To make it more confusing, the accepted Passer Rating is often called the Quarterback Rating by many people.

That said, I'm not sure why Pro Football Reference lists a QBR of 78.2 and ESPN lists him at 63.5. I would say that perhaps they each have their own formula, but if you look at the previous years, the QBRs for his other seasons are all identical, so that doesn't make sense. The only other thing I can think of is that one of the sites hasn't updated for Sunday night's game yet?

 

[pacmaniac]

If you look at this page https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/qbr_year_by_year.htm, it says "QBR data courtesy of ESPN", so they definitely just get it from ESPN, they don't calculate it themselves.

It looks like Pro Football Reference hasn't updated their QBR value in 2 weeks. Here's a snapshot of ESPN's Jordan Love profile from 2 weeks ago showing his QBR at 78.2: https://web.archive.org/web/2025091...m/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4036378/jordan-love

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I incorrectly tried to correct it for you lol

No problem pal!

 

[rmontro]

If you look at this page https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/qbr_year_by_year.htm, it says "QBR data courtesy of ESPN", so they definitely just get it from ESPN, they don't calculate it themselves.

It looks like Pro Football Reference hasn't updated their QBR value in 2 weeks. Here's a snapshot of ESPN's Jordan Love profile from 2 weeks ago showing his QBR at 78.2: https://web.archive.org/web/2025091...m/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4036378/jordan-love

Well, I guess that explains it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Ideally, we can make good returns from the goal line. That is what set us up to beat Cleveland. But the ugly stat through the first 3 games was how many times were we penalized on the kickoff return because we cannot block?

Correct

But a good coach says; "OK boys, we are going to clean up our blocking on returns, no holding, no blocking in the back. You get caught doing that, I've got plenty of guys that want your job."

A bad coach says "OK Boys, no more penalties on returns, we are going to down every kick in the Endzone."

 

[tynimiller]

No problem pal!

This is fun isn’t it?!

 

[tynimiller]

This is a little hard to explain, so bear with me. From what I understand, ESPN just made up the QBR (QB Rating) themselves, so it isn't an official NFL statistic. There's some mystery as to how it's calculated, as @pacmaniac mentioned. That's why I don't usually reference it.

To make it more confusing, the accepted Passer Rating is often called the Quarterback Rating by many people.

That said, I'm not sure why Pro Football Reference lists a QBR of 78.2 and ESPN lists him at 63.5. I would say that perhaps they each have their own formula, but if you look at the previous years, the QBRs for his other seasons are all identical, so that doesn't make sense. The only other thing I can think of is that one of the sites hasn't updated for Sunday night's game yet?

I think the updating might be it…have to circle back mid week and check

 

[tynimiller]

If you look at this page https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/qbr_year_by_year.htm, it says "QBR data courtesy of ESPN", so they definitely just get it from ESPN, they don't calculate it themselves.

It looks like Pro Football Reference hasn't updated their QBR value in 2 weeks. Here's a snapshot of ESPN's Jordan Love profile from 2 weeks ago showing his QBR at 78.2: https://web.archive.org/web/2025091...m/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4036378/jordan-love

Also might be the issue….who knows. Either way, Love has been good

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is fun isn’t it?!

We all need a bit of comedy relief from time to time.

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[JoJo]

GB team is so inconsistent and Love continues to make mistakes behind a line that is horrible. Love seems to have no clue where the rushers are and he too often throws the ball into the wrong area or throw off balance. Frankly, this team is not very good and now finds themselves behind a Dallas team that was blown out by Chicago. LeFleur, Gute should be ashamed of the players they have and the way they are playing- not sure what else to say but this team is not a top team in the NFC North let alone the NFC or NFL. And Dallas gets the ball to start the 2nd half. Sickening play the entire 2nd qtr.

I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager

 

[rmontro]

I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager

Nothing wrong with a game manager, as long as he can actually manage the game.

 

[OldSchool101]

I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager

I feel the same way about Favre

 

[tynimiller]

I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager

LOL, Love has a better feel than Favre did most of his career - that man overcame so much with his missile attached to his torso on the right side. He was special and incredible to watch, but dear lord while the ball was in flight was a roller coaster many times a game.

 

[OldSchool101]

LOL, Love has a better feel than Favre did most of his career - that man overcame so much with his missile attached to his torso on the right side. He was special and incredible to watch, but dear lord while the ball was in flight was a roller coaster many times a game.

Yes. Love is much better than Favre was starting his 3rd season area.

Love
37 Starts.
68TD 26INT
64.1% completions
7.6 yds/attempt
20-16-1 record.
1-2 playoffs.
2.3 4th Qtr comebacks per season as a Starter (5)
Favre
37 Starts
47TD 46INT
62.5% completions
6.6 yds/attempt
21-16 record
1-1 playoffs
1.47 4th Qtr comebacks per season as a Starter (28 in 19 starting seasons)

Granted it was a different era. Yet there’s really no comparison from being able to produce at a high clip out of the gate.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Cool, let's shake off last week and dominate this week.

Ya, let's do that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager

While I agree with you, for now, give it time. This is Love's 3rd year of starting and IMO, "feel for the game" in the NFL is a learned skill that takes lots of reps. It also requires 10 good players around the QB. Right now, Love has a patch work OL and its going to be hard for him to operate behind center if the D is bearing down on him.

I also think a QB's development and in-game skill depends a lot on the coaching staff. I don't know how much audibling MLF allows Love to do, but it was a beef between he and Rodgers, with Rodgers wanting more freedom to audible out of MLF called plays.

 

[rmontro]

While I agree with you, for now, give it time. This is Love's 3rd year of starting and IMO, "feel for the game" in the NFL is a learned skill that takes lots of reps.

It's been mentioned before Rodgers won the Super Bowl in his third year of starting. Of course, that could still happen with Love, too...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's been mentioned before Rodgers won the Super Bowl in his third year of starting. Of course, that could still happen with Love, too...

Yeah and I wasn't trying to say that Love is or will be as good as Favre or Rodgers. However, for a poster to say:

"I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager"

Is jumping to conclusions a bit too early in Love's career, IMO.

 

[rmontro]

"I laugh so hard when the pundits compare Love to Favre or Rodgers, he just doesn't have the feel for the game, at best he's a game manager"

Is jumping to conclusions a bit too early in Love's career, IMO.

There's a lot of jumping to conclusions in sports. Like all those people who predicted Favre and Rodgers would both win multiple Super Bowls.