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No charges will be filed against Big Ben

Discussion in 'All Other Team Discussions' started by ivo610, Apr 12, 2010.

  1. ivo610

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    Facts about the case seem to be flying out today, but the bottom line is that big ben will not be charged with rape. But that does not mean that his trouble is over. Big Ben will most likely face discipline from the Steelers and or the league. This might range from a suspension and or entering the NFL substance program.

    "Following ESPN's coverage of Ocmulgee (Ga.) Judicial Circuit D.A. Fred Bright's press conference, reporter Chris Mortensen suggested that Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could be forced to enter the league's substance-abuse program.

    Speaking of Bright's comments, Mortensen said, "You hear him say Ben Roethlisberger provided alcohol to the accuser, the ladies in that group. That a bodyguard escorted the young lady, the accuser, down to the bathroom, and then Ben followed her into the bathroom. I think those facts alone -- as you know, under the personal-conduct policy, you don't need charges, you don't need a conviction. "

    [ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5078589"]DA: No charges for Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger in Georgia case - ESPN@@AMEPARAM@@http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5078703@@AMEPARAM@@5078703[/ame]
     
  2. 3irty1

    3irty1 Fear the Dreads!

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    Dude, when you have chicks flocking around you at a club you don't pass on them and take the one not interested. The guy is innocent and the chick is a w*ore.
     
  3. ivo610

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    He is totally guilty. He followed her into the bathroom and raped her. She immediately went to the police. This is after he gave her booze. He is a scumbag.
     
  4. PackersRS

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    So you were there?
     
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    I can't say for sure if he's guilty or not but this has been happening to althletes latley and most of the time the women will admit they lied. This is going to turn into The Girl Who Cried Wolf and when something really does happen then no one will believe her.
     
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    I can't affirm anything. I wasn't there. I didn't conduct any investigations...

    I'm not saying that who does is perfect, but it's their job. Jumping to conclusions is always a bad thing...
     
  7. ivo610

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    No smartass but I have enough common sense to add two and two together. It doesnt take a psych major to figure out that people who cry wolf dont go to the police immediately after they were followed into a bathroom.
     
  8. PackersRS

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    People do dumb things for money all the time.

    And my point is not to say that he is or isn't guilty. "Common sense" send a lot of witches to the bonfire during the inquisition...
     
  9. Murgen

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    GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS!!! There is a monster loose! We must stop Rapelisstein! - ivo

    Lot of bad deals have gone down based on putting 2+2 together. Just ask the exonerated dudes on death row how it feels.

    Rothlisberger is still dumb as bricks.
     
  10. ivo610

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    This is going to be a touchy subject for some people so its bound to upset some people.

    Murgen, dont start quoting me with **** I didnt say.

    PackersRS, there is a big cultural difference between America and Brazil in how this is thought of and handled, I doubt we could see eye to eye on it.
     
  11. DILLIGAFF

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    There is enough here to at least suspend Ben for 2 games, IMO 4 games. He gave alcohol to an under aged girl and had sex in a public place. A rape charge can not be proved due to the guarded restroom, but that does not mean it did not happen.

    IMO the girl was not raped, although the possibility exists. Treated badly in the restroom, but I believe when escorted into the restroom she new what she was doing. Unless she was drunk out of her mind, but that does not seem to be the case.

    She was taken advantage of by the Ben's star power, alcohol, and his body guards. Even if Ben was drunk, his body guards were sober and understood the situation.

    The girl made a bad mistake going into a night club to drink even though she was under age, she new this and chose to break that law.

    I would like to know the rules of this club, can an underage person enter, much less enter the VIP room? Owners have some reponsibility here.

    Regardless if a school teacher did the same thing, he would be suspended and risk losing his job, regardless of being convicted of anything.

    This is an easy decision by the commissioner, a 4 game suspension is in order. Another incident by Ben, I would expect the Steelers to release him. This is just bad for the NFL as a whole.
     
  12. PackersRS

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    There is differences. Big cultural difference, there isn't. Brazil isn't China.

    The media overblowns and pre-condemn people all the time. Being a lawyer I know as much (though I don't attend much criminal matters).

    And the fact is you weren't there and didn't conduct any investigation. All your info is passed to you through the media, probably contamined with opinion already.

    Unless you have some info we don't.

    So, no, you, and I for that matter, aren't prepared to judge wheter Roethlisberger is guilty or not. And the fact that he was ACCUSED of a similar act before only proves that he's dumb as wood for putting himself in this kind of position multiple times, not that he's guilty. Because, if I remember correctly, he was found innocent in the other rape accusation. And in this one he hasn't even been charged yet.

    He's a douche. He reportedly has denied to give autographs to kids, he acts like an ******* in public.

    But to say he's a rapist will require more than "common sense", and thanks God for that.
     
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    I have to disagree when we are talking about the cultural differences as far as relations with men and women. What would be considered sexual assault in America would be not be considered anything to even talk about in Brazil. Men are more aggressive and thats just accepted.

    The info I make my own judgement came from the police statement that I watched yesterday. If I want to make my own judgments on the case I will, just like everyone does about these matters.

    I agree that the media drastically spins things, I refuse to talk to any reporter for that reason. I was involved in a triple homicide several years ago and because of the media alot of people questioned who I consider a friend.
     
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    I am not saying Ben Rothlisberger had good intentions with that young woman...........but.......I don't think he was seen dragging her into the bathroom against her will. If the DA could prosecute him, he would, even if the woman did not want to press charges. Kind of reminds me of when the lady went up to Mike Tysons hotel room at 2 or 3am.....toooooo........I don't know.......play his playstation.........read a magazine...........fold his clothes......????? Atheletes go through this all the time. Its about $$$$$$.

    Allegations were made. None can be proved.

    Santonio Holmes failed a drug test. There is proof.

    To me ...some people are going to say Holmes is black and Ben is white.......blahh...blah...blah. Its about facts and facts only. This is just my opinion but if you have broken the law........you should be punished.........if not.....you shouldn't. Roger Goodell will once again overstep his authority and more than likely suspend Ben for something that has not been proven. It's an allegation from some young lady, who at 20 years old should not even been there. If it all happend the way she says it did......all these things should have happend
    Ben would be charged with sexual assault, giving a minor alcohol.......and the establishment would be closed down for letting her in.
    None of it happend, and like I said before, if the DA could prosecute....they would. Instead.......the NFL Commisioner........will punish him.....throw his right hand in the air....and sound off with a loud and thunderous Sieg Hiel.
     
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    ohh....one last thing. DNA was found in her. Doesn't mean it was his.......which really would have been embarrassing to her.

    If you know anything about forensics. Just about any amount is enough to test. This is not 1993.
     
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    Gotta say I disagree with overstepping comment... I realize that these things happen. People want a quick way to make money... I get it. I still think that Ben has put himself in too many situations like this. I am so sick of pro athletes abusing the gift God gave them by acting like idiots.

    I am in school to be a teacher, if I go out to the local watering hole and act like an idiot... I might not have a job the next day. He deserves to at least get some form of punishment.
     
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    "But he said the DNA sample was "so minute" it could not yield a profile, nullifying the need to get a DNA sample from Roethlisberger for a possible match."
    Ben Roethlisberger escapes charges, but questions remain - USATODAY.com

    So you know nothing about forensics is what your telling me?
     
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    Allegations were made and there are facts. Several things can be proven or at least we admitted by Ben.

    Your comparing the tyson thing to this? Thats insane. one was a woman who went to his hotel room, the other was a minor(as in not being old enough to drink) who was given alcohol, went to the womens bathroom and followed in by Ben. total different circumstances. For the record I thought Tyson was innocent.
     
  20. PackersRS

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    WHAT? How can you say that! Men are more aggressive and that's just accepted! I take that as an offense, sir.

    What proof do you have of that BS??? None! Have you even been to Brazil? I lived in US. My father did, my cousins all did, my aunt still does.

    Please refrain from talking about what happens or not in Brazil.
     
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    If you have DNA traces, their is enough to test. Their are ways to amplify DNA results.
     
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    Here is one fact. No one can make any excuses or argue this without making themselves look.........well.......not the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

    If the DA could press charges.........they would.......case closed. I am not saying Rothlisburger is a good guy......an Angel......or should not have went in the bathroom with her. I am simply saying they cannot charge him without evidence. Enough to convict him. If they had enough evidence (DA) do you think he would be charged? Ya damn skippy they would.
     
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    You should get your CSI on and call the Georgia DA and tell them they have been mishandling the DNA. I bet they would love to hear from you and your expert opinion.
     
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    Just like you should stick to being a football memorabilia collector, reading, hiking, and playing tennis. Oh......and I don't watch CSI. You have your opinion and I have mine.

    Lets get back to Ben and Rodger Goodell.

    Ben Rothlisberger did not violate a NFL Policy

    He was not charged and convicted of a crime.

    So Goodell thinks he can take matters into his own hands and suspend him and take his money?

    I obviously was not there.......and neither were you. More than likely their were other women in that ladies room when Ben was in there. I am sure all the other women in there were like....."hey....is that Ben Rothlisberger raping that chick in the corner?" "Wow........lets get his autograph." You can't tell me that she was raped in the ladies room.........no one saw it.........and their was not enough DNA to be tested........while little miss innocent basically says.....sure he sexually assaulted me..........but I am just to fragile and could not stand going to trial. If ya believe that.........well.........sure hate it for ya.

    Call Roger Goodell.......I am sure he would love to have your expert opinion. Oh wait......you already did......thats why you have the same veiws. While you are at it.......call Ted Thompson and tell him who to draft.
     
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    Yes I like all those things, and long walks on the beach and candle light dinners. hahaha

    Goodell doesnt need to have someone convicted of a crime to suspend them. It has happened before and will happen again. Its all about the shield. If it hurts the shield they will come down hard on that employee.

    "more likely other women in the ladies room when ben was in there."

    No that is not true. It was an employee bathroom that Ben's bodyguard led the girl to. Bens bodyguard also stood outside after ben followed the girl in. She had vaginal bruising and a laceration when she was examined that night.

    If I called Ted or Roger I might sound almost as nuts as you would with your "amplify the DNA" bit.

    "If ya believe that.........well.........sure hate it for ya."

    ??? so confused by this.
     

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