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Not having a scheme could bode well for guys like Parsons, Cooper and Williams who all have great instincts for the ball imho. Maybe Bullard. It sure would be nice to include Hooper. We just haven't seen enough of him. So far I've been disappointed
I think the talent on this D is made for a talent-specific deployment, referred to by Gannon. Parsons, Cooper and Williams have the innate ability, and athleticism, to always be around the ball and to sense where the ball or a player is going.

And agreed, Hopper hasn't shown much - but he hasn't been used much. Maybe with Q now gone, he'll get more opportunities. That would give the Packers one of the fastest LB groups in the NFL.
 

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I think the talent on this D is made for a talent-specific deployment, referred to by Gannon. Parsons, Cooper and Williams have the innate ability, and athleticism, to always be around the ball and to sense where the ball or a player is going.

And agreed, Hopper hasn't shown much - but he hasn't been used much. Maybe with Q now gone, he'll get more opportunities. That would give the Packers one of the fastest LB groups in the NFL.
Don't forget Jamon Dumas-Johnson sitting lower on the ILB depth chart... 6'-1", 238 lbs, 4.6 40, 8.99 RAS.
 

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Don't forget Jamon Dumas-Johnson sitting lower on the ILB depth chart... 6'-1", 238 lbs, 4.6 40, 8.99 RAS.
I didn't even know he was on the team!

And maybe the coaches really like this guy and that made it easier to part with Q. Who knows. But this guy is plenty fast, and that's a main feature of Packer LBs.
 
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I didn't even know he was on the team!

And maybe the coaches really like this guy and that made it easier to part with Q. Who knows. But this guy is plenty fast, and that's a main feature of Packer LBs.
Dumas was a good pickup and went UDFA. Although not a huge surprise his consensus was that RD7 area.

Dumas-Johnson is a bonus if he works out and likely a guy you can stash in PS pretty easily. I do like he played for the Georgia Bulldogs, then transferred. So he’s accustomed to premier competition. He reminds me of a iLB version of OLB Brenton Cox Jr. Both played for Kirby Smart. Both went UDFA but made the cut. We love those Bulldogs. Stackhouse was another Georgia UDFA that made the cut.

I guess if you go UDFA 1 point is to go players that are higher floor. That often comes with a Top ranked D program. It’s almost like getting an 8th Rounder if there was such a thing.
 
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Dumas was a good pickup and went UDFA. Although not a huge surprise his consensus was that RD7 area.

Dumas-Johnson is a bonus if he works out and likely a guy you can stash in PS pretty easily. I do like he played for the Georgia Bulldogs, then transferred. So he’s accustomed to premier competition. He reminds me of a iLB version of OLB Brenton Cox Jr. Both played for Kirby Smart. Both went UDFA but made the cut. We love those Bulldogs. Stackhouse was another Georgia UDFA that made the cut.

I guess if you go UDFA 1 point is to go players that are higher floor. That often comes with a Top ranked D program. It’s almost like getting an 8th Rounder if there was such a thing.
That makes sense. And Georgia has certainly been a farm club for the Packers, and a few other teams I think.

You make a good point - playing for Georgia means playing solid teams, and learning from a great HC in Kirby. Keep em coming as far a I'm concerned.
 

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Georgia players are elite. And are really much needed demand for NFL. Packers included.
 

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Dumas was a good pickup and went UDFA. Although not a huge surprise his consensus was that RD7 area.

Dumas-Johnson is a bonus if he works out and likely a guy you can stash in PS pretty easily. I do like he played for the Georgia Bulldogs, then transferred. So he’s accustomed to premier competition. He reminds me of a iLB version of OLB Brenton Cox Jr. Both played for Kirby Smart. Both went UDFA but made the cut. We love those Bulldogs. Stackhouse was another Georgia UDFA that made the cut.

I guess if you go UDFA 1 point is to go players that are higher floor. That often comes with a Top ranked D program. It’s almost like getting an 8th Rounder if there was such a thing.
I didn't know Stackhouse came from Georgia, thanks OS. Georgia runs a great program and a good number of their players are in the NFL, as any GB fan should know.

I like your label for early UDFAs, "round 8".
 

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Packers president Ed Policy, speaking for the first time this offseason, discussed why he extended Matt LaFleur.“I always believed you don’t make football decisions out of emotion.“Policy mentioned 7 years of data on LaFleur and not making a Super Bowl is “on all of us.”

Smart.
 

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Packers president Ed Policy, speaking for the first time this offseason, discussed why he extended Matt LaFleur.“I always believed you don’t make football decisions out of emotion.“Policy mentioned 7 years of data on LaFleur and not making a Super Bowl is “on all of us.”

Smart.

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Honestly that concept is too high level of thought for most fans who live in their emotions.
 

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In truth its a cleansing this fanbase needs I think at times.
Yeah some fans get a little too carried away with rage at times. Yeah, the ending of this season sucked. But we can talk about what changes we need to make peacefully, without the name calling and sometimes downright hatred.
 

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Yeah some fans get a little too carried away with rage at times. Yeah, the ending of this season sucked. But we can talk about what changes we need to make peacefully, without the name calling and sometimes downright hatred.
The ending of the last two seasons sucked.
As for fans, if the team isn't there, are we supposed to pretend it is? I get the impression some people think so.
 

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The ending of the last two seasons sucked.
As for fans, if the team isn't there, are we supposed to pretend it is? I get the impression some people think so.
This is true too, can't deny that. The ones that parade around that Lafleur and Gute can do no wrong are just as bad as the ones that want to fire everybody for one bad call or free agent signing, IMO.
 

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Yeah some fans get a little too carried away with rage at times. Yeah, the ending of this season sucked. But we can talk about what changes we need to make peacefully, without the name calling and sometimes downright hatred.

The hatred doesn't mind me nearly as much as the ignorance or belief that it is very easy to win the SB....
 

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The hatred doesn't mind me nearly as much as the ignorance or belief that it is very easy to win the SB....
I think most of us here have a level of understanding it is HARD to win a Superbowl. But it's HOW we lost, for five straight games, that had people upset. Let's discount the Vikings game to end the season, as that was an intentional throw. The sloppy, uninspired, lack-of-effort was INFURIATING. We supposedly are close, talent wise, because we pushed a lot of chips in to acquire Parsons.

So, if the talent is there, what else is there left to look at? Well, coaching. I think what a lot of people were/are trying to express is: How much leash do we give Lafluer? How else can he improve after 7 seasons, going on 8?
 

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The hatred doesn't mind me nearly as much as the ignorance or belief that it is very easy to win the SB....
I certainly don't hate anyone, nor do I think it's easy to win a Super Bowl. There was talk awhile back about how the odds of any random team winning was 1/32 (put VERY simply). But it IS still the objective, nonetheless.
 

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I certainly don't hate anyone, nor do I think it's easy to win a Super Bowl. There was talk awhile back about how the odds of any random team winning was 1/32 (put VERY simply). But it IS still the objective, nonetheless.

LOL That 1/32 claim is hilarious and if it were that easy we'd not have teams in the league without them. There are a handful of teams every year that legit everyone knows have like a 1 out of 1,000,000 chance of it.
 

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Honestly that concept is too high level of thought for most fans who live in their emotions.
Good reasoning on Policy's part. I admit I was hoping for a change at HC, and with the org structure. So I was not happy when Policy made his decisions to extend MLF and Gluten and maintain the same org structure.

After reading other comments and opinions, I now velieve he did the right thing. That doesn't mean the Packers have the best HC and GM in the NFL. But these guys have achieved a winning consistency that's very hard to pull off in pro sports. Gotta give credit where it's due.

That in no way takes any heat off MLF and Gluten. They still need to deliver and expectations, right or wrong, are now SB or bust. I don't think the D will be up to SB standards this year. The offense should be fine.

Gluten plays the long game, and that takes courage.
 

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LOL That 1/32 claim is hilarious and if it were that easy we'd not have teams in the league without them. There are a handful of teams every year that legit everyone knows have like a 1 out of 1,000,000 chance of it.
You're right and it makes me wonder how some teams can be so consistently bad - the Jets seem to be at the top, but there are plenty of others, including until recently, Da Bearz. MN and Detroit have yet to win a SB, and there's a pretty clear path of lousy FO management. The Bills fall in this group.

And in other organizations it's the opposite. We've been fortunate to back a team that has been consistently good to excellent over the last 30 plus years. That is just very, very hard to do. Now I'm wondering how many losing seasons the Packers have had since Bob Harlan and Ron wolf were hired. I don't think it's more than 5, and that's incredible.

Update - the Packers have had 5 losing seasons since 1994 - 2005, 2008, 2017, 2018, and 2022. That is remarkable.

(In 1999 and 2006 they finished 8-8.)
 

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LOL That 1/32 claim is hilarious and if it were that easy we'd not have teams in the league without them. There are a handful of teams every year that legit everyone knows have like a 1 out of 1,000,000 chance of it.
I know you don't buy into it, but those ARE the odds, if all teams were equal. They are not. Some teams have no championships, some teams are beating the 1/32 by a good measure. But from a pure mathematical standpoint, those are the odds, at least since there have been 32 teams. Anyway, I would certainly not call 1/32 easy, not by any means. I don't see how anyone could say 1/32 was easy.
 

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I know you don't buy into it, but those ARE the odds, if all teams were equal. They are not. Some teams have no championships, some teams are beating the 1/32 by a good measure. But from a pure mathematical standpoint, those are the odds, at least since there have been 32 teams. Anyway, I would certainly not call 1/32 easy, not by any means. I don't see how anyone could say 1/32 was easy.
Interesting stuff. If the Rozelle rule worked perfectly, it would give each team a 1/32 chance of winning the SB in any given year. And by the Rozelle Rule I'm referring to each of the 32 teams having the same amount of $$$ (the cap) to spend on players.

This was supposed to level the playing field, and for the most part, I think it works. New England is a clear exception, or it just may be that their management and ownership made better decisions over the course of winning 6 SBs with Brady.

But I don't think we can fairly say, at the start of every season, that every team has an exactly 1/32 chance to win the SB. There are other variables that skew this - the talent of the GM and player acquisition, HC and coaching staffs, the quality of the scouting staffs, president, and on and on and on.

For the most part, the cap has prevented what happens in MLB, paying for a championship - the current state, I argue, of the LADs.
 

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