Kraft or Musgrave

[Voyageur]

Your numbers are probably in the ballpark, but its hard to find a direct comparison. Kittle is probably the better tight but he signed his current deal at 31. Kraft is much younger, so it wouldn't surprise me if we'd have to exceed the yearly average.

On the flip side, Kittle's contract has only about 43% guaranteed. I don't think we would need to hit 80%, but more than Kittle makes sense due him being younger and more likely to play the deal to completion.

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My reference to Him being nearly as good was based on the money he'd get related to the production we've seen to this point. It's all a question of ROI.

 

[OldSchool101]

One of the biggest surprises for me this season is the regression of Musgrave. He’s played in every game and only had 6 targets. While he did have 5 catches, he’s mostly been non existent. My only hope is somehow when Watson comes back he’ll take some attention away there and Luke will see a couple more targets per game. He’s not trending correctly. Best case is we get a production spike later this season.

 

[gopkrs]

Kraft looks so good. And I'm so glad he's a GBP.

 

[mradtke66]

My reference to Him being nearly as good was based on the money he'd get related to the production we've seen to this point. It's all a question of ROI.

I admit to holding out hope, but he has not looked good this year. I honestly see him getting worse year over year. To the point that I expect him to fight to make the roster in 2026.

I wouldn’t be excited to extend him to any contract that approaches a him or Kraft decision.

 

[milani]

Based on how the contract is structured, I presume this on purpose. 3 real years followed by 2 "we don't really expect to have you play on that deal, your base salary is too high" years and then some voids for more shenanigans.

While it probably hurts to look at, the front office had to assume this was a "3 year and then restructure" contract. They have planned for this.

They must have although they did not plan for the 1-5 start this season.

 

[milani]

One of the biggest surprises for me this season is the regression of Musgrave. He’s played in every game and only had 6 targets. While he did have 5 catches, he’s mostly been non existent. My only hope is somehow when Watson comes back he’ll take some attention away there and Luke will see a couple more targets per game. He’s not trending correctly. Best case is we get a production spike later this season.

MLF should consider using him in the backfield as a blocker or a decoy going out in the flat. Could help near the goal line.

 

[El Guapo]

We all keep treating Musgrave like a veteran that's earned his stripes. He hasn't earned more targets. Like any young pass catcher, you need to make the most of the scraps that you get and PROVE that you deserve more targets. Musgrave has gotten worse each season. He has all of the tools but probably not the noodle to compete in this league.

 

[shockerx]

What I see is Musgrave is just not physical enough for an NFL TE. Yet to big and goofy for the WR role, just more or less a tweener. Maybe im all wrong, but just what I see in him. Who would be a good comp for Musgrave thats had a nice NFL career? McCaffrey type maybe. I hope we could get something for him,,, before a release down the road...and he gets a nice second chance somewhere.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don’t know. I’d be curious to know why Musgrave is barely fed any targets though? He’s got an 80% catch rate it’s not like he drops passes or fumbles a bunch so it’s not that. Is he running incorrect routes? Somethings not adding up he’s only seeing 1 target per game, yet he’s playing over 30% of the snaps. Kinda hard to get a rhythm with 1 pass. That usage is expected if you are a great blocker (Marcedes) and playing 10-15 snaps per game. He’s just disappearing for entire games. What’s he hiding in a corner? LOL.

If any beat reporters see this. Can you ask a very direct question to Matt and ask him what the H is up with Musgrave? Did he throw Biscuit Dough at someone’s Mama?

 

[tynimiller]

I don’t know. I’d be curious to know why Musgrave is barely fed any targets though? He’s got an 80% catch rate it’s not like he drops passes or fumbles a bunch so it’s not that. Is he running incorrect routes? Somethings not adding up he’s only seeing 1 target per game. Kinda hard to get a rhythm with 1 pass

He never drops passes just his body.....LOL

 

[Voyageur]

I don’t know. I’d be curious to know why Musgrave is barely fed any targets though? He’s got an 80% catch rate it’s not like he drops passes or fumbles a bunch so it’s not that. Is he running incorrect routes? Somethings not adding up he’s only seeing 1 target per game. Kinda hard to get a rhythm with 1 pass

I think they're a bit concerned about his physical conditioning, and ability to take the hits. They aren't hurting not using him as much so they don't need to rush it.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think they're a bit concerned about his physical conditioning, and ability to take the hits. They aren't hurting not using him as much so they don't need to rush it.

Well the talk this offseason was angled towards using more 12 Personnel. Matter of fact it was brought up several interview sessions because we were seeing an increased dosage in Camp.

Just seems strange I noticed he’s had several games with 0 targets. Yet if I recall he’s played 20-40% snaps in every contest. I thought I saw Love badly overthrow Musgrave once in AZ which I don’t think he even got credited because it was like 3 yards out of reach behind him.

 

[Voyageur]

Well the talk this offseason was angled towards using more 12 Personnel. Matter of fact it was brought up several interview sessions because we were seeing an increased dosage in Camp.

Just seems strange I noticed he’s had several games with 0 targets. Yet if I recall he’s played 20-40% snaps in every contest. I thought I saw Love badly overthrow Musgrave once in AZ which I don’t think he even got credited because it was like 3 yards out of reach behind him.

Figures are as follows: Targets-Catches-Yards-TDs

Kraft 32-23-376-4
Musgrave 6-5-49-0
Fitzpatrick 4-4-20-1

Not much being pitched to anyone other than Kraft. I suppose there's also the philosophy that when you got Kraft why would you throw to the other TEs unless they start doubling Kraft.

 

[OldSchool101]

Figures are as follows: Targets-Catches-Yards-TDs

Kraft 32-23-376-4
Musgrave 6-5-49-0
Fitzpatrick 4-4-20-1

Not much being pitched to anyone other than Kraft. I suppose there's also the philosophy that when you got Kraft why would you throw to the other TEs unless they start doubling Kraft.

Wow. Kraft is pacing 1,070 yards
and 11 TD’s! I think he’s also pacing the most catches by a Packer TE (61) with a 65 catch trajectory

This kid is on Record Packer pace for the best TE in franchise history.

Thanks @Voyageur. This answered my question why Musgrave isn’t seeing targets. We’ve got Paul Coffman 2.0 out there! Maybe Turbo version!

 

[tynimiller]

Wow. Kraft is pacing over 1000+
and 11 TD’s! I think he’s also pacing the most catches by a Packer TE?

When is the last time GB had a 1000+ 10+ Tuds TE?

61 is current in season record for TEs I believe set by Finley 2012 and for the year
Paul Coffman in 1983 had 814 yards and I believe is the most yards...

 

[OldSchool101]

61 is current in season record for TEs I believe set by Finley 2012 and for the year
Paul Coffman in 1983 had 814 yards and I believe is the most yards...

Yes just saw that. So Kraft is pacing the franchise leader in yards, tying TD’s (Coffman/Tonyan-11 in a single season) and barely leads Coffman on per catch numbers. Just an Animal that Kraft.
no wonder why Musgrave isn’t seeing the ball we’ve got a Probowl level TE running around out there.

 

[Poppa San]

Wow. Kraft is pacing 1,070 yards
and 11 TD’s! I think he’s also pacing the most catches by a Packer TE (61) with a 65 catch trajectory

This kid is on Record Packer pace for the best TE in franchise history.

42 seasons ago Paul Coffman set the Packers TE yards at 814 with 11 TDs. Not going to count Carroll Dale as a TE for the '66 season. He had 876 yards and 7 TDs in 14 games. He may have capped at a thousand in 2 more games.

 

[OldSchool101]

42 seasons ago Paul Coffman set the Packers TE yards at 814 with 11 TDs. Not going to count Carroll Dale as a TE for the '66 season. He had 876 yards and 7 TDs in 14 games. He may have capped at a thousand in 2 more games.

Interesting. That’s impressive for 14 games. Kraft has a ways to go but he’s actually near identical to those numbers. 1070-11 TD’s 17-game pace. Which is ironically within a couple yards of Dale’s finish.

That Dale was before my time but he was incredible. 18.9 yards per reception across 14 seasons?!

Thanks @Poppa San

 

[Poppa San]

Interesting. That’s impressive for 14 games. Kraft has a ways to go but he’s actually near identical to those numbers. 1070-11 TD’s 17-game pace. Which is ironically within a couple yards of Dale’s finish.

That Dale was before my time but he was incredible. 18.9 yards per reception across 14 seasons?!

Thanks @Poppa San

I was more impressed while researching that Hutson and Lawton both averaged over 100 Yards/Game for a season (42 & 52). And Lawton also hit 99ypg in 56.

 

[gopkrs]

Figures are as follows: Targets-Catches-Yards-TDs

Kraft 32-23-376-4
Musgrave 6-5-49-0
Fitzpatrick 4-4-20-1

Not much being pitched to anyone other than Kraft. I suppose there's also the philosophy that when you got Kraft why would you throw to the other TEs unless they start doubling Kraft.

Still, Musgrave averaging 10 yards a catch. I'd throw it his way just a little more. Not saying I think he's better. But he can be used more effectively imho.

 

[Voyageur]

Still, Musgrave averaging 10 yards a catch. I'd throw it his way just a little more. Not saying I think he's better. But he can be used more effectively imho.

It's difficult spreading the ball around. Here's a break down on all our receivers including the WRs which you can add to the list of TEs.

Jacobs 20-16-174-0
Doubs 36-24-306-4
Golden 23-18-249-0
Wicks 20-13-134-0
Wilson 5-5-31-0
Williams 4-4-23-0
Heath 2-2-46-0
Reed 5-3-45-1
Brooks 7-5-30-0

I think they're spreading the ball well and when you have Doubs & Kraft as your two main weapons, you're not hurting. Doubs and Kraft are the two you can count on making catches in traffic on 3rd down to move the chains. You can't afford to sacrifice their targets.

When Watson gets healthy his targets will come from the guys lower on this list, not sacrificing targets for Doubs, Kraft, Jacobs, or Golden.

 

[OldSchool101]

I was more impressed while researching that Hutson and Lawton both averaged over 100 Yards/Game for a season (42 & 52). And Lawton also hit 99ypg in 56.

That’s an amazing mark.
As an example of why 100 yards per game is significant. Only 1 RB in NFL history has rushed for more than 100 yards per game in his career.

That 100 yards per game mark is a historic Mark because there have been more than a couple of great RB’s in the NFL. However nobody more consistently great than Jim Brown, who logged 104/gm.
Brown even out rushed the great Barry Sanders for +5 per game, career. That’s dominating level

 

[OkiePacker]

Kraft...

WHAT A GAME

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Any word on Kraft's knee injury?

 

[El Guapo]

Yes.....ugly