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I like Matt Linert....take him instead of Bush...

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by GreenNGold, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. GreenNGold

    GreenNGold Cheesehead

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    I am not sold on Rogers...he looked soft in the pre-season...Go with a sure winner in Linert...how many national championships does he have to win? He is a winner from a pro style program with Pete Carrol...NUFF SAID!!!
     
  2. rabidgopher04

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    I'd say it depends on if Favre stays or not this year. If he stays then draft a RB.
     
  3. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    I am not sold on either. Neither have played a meaningful down in the NFL and heck one of them is not even in the NFL yet.
     
  4. yourout

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    Not me.....I have seen way to many 1st round QB picks that busted.
     
  5. musccy

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    exactly yourout...

    For that reason, I'd be very tempted to trade out of the high pick the Packers look like they'll be getting.

    Reggie Bush is a no brainer just like Ki-Jana Carter, Akili Smith, or Tim Couch.
     
  6. NDPackerFan

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    Reggie Bush should never be mentioned in the same breath as the guys you just mentioned. Bush is another Westbrook from Philly but more talented. Some even say a cross between LT/Barry Sanders. It will be a mistake if GB passes him by IMO. Trading down to get a couple more picks and just above average players isn't what the Packers should be thinking about.
     
  7. digsthepack

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    DE-FENSE...we need defense. AJ Hawk, a dominating D-lineman, a top flight corner. We need defense right now. That being said, if they do take Leinart, they will be able to get good bounty for Rodgers...perhaps some DE-FENSE!
     
  8. NDPackerFan

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    Chances are that Green and Davenport have played their last game as a Packer. Davenport may be back but he hasn't stayed healthy enough to warrant any contract of length. Ahman will be reaching 30 and is he the guy we wrap up long term at this stage of his career?

    I'm telling you, Reggie Bush is SPECIAL...although I understand you're view on defense, Bates has them playing good enough football to win games. It's the offense that is struggling right now. There is enough cap space next year to get a couple of free agents like a CB, etc.
     
  9. DePack

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    I'm with ND on this. Leinart is NOT a sure thing and if Favre agrees to stick around for another year or so, they owe it to him to bring in another weapon. I don't think a player like Bush has come out in a long time.
     
  10. NDPackerFan

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    Thanks DePack...what the critics are saying of Bush is a cross between LaDainian Tomlinson and Barry Sanders! They have also compared him to Marshall Faulk or Westbrook, only more talented!

    I think Bush is worth the risk and I would be disappointed if GB passed on him. Did you see him play against Notre Dame this year? I know it's college and not professional, but he looked like a man among boys out there...
     
  11. rabidgopher04

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    For defense we just need to sign a FA stud lineman and DB and we're pretty set.

    I say we use our top pick on offense and sign FA defensemen, but not too many. I don't want to see us have a high priced defense like the 2000 Redskins and 2005 Vikings and still suck.

    Clearly the problem for us now is scoring points or getting over the hump to be able to win. We need another offensive weapon and quality depth (like the 2004 Patriots).
     
  12. Brooks87

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    I agree totally.No way you pass up a talent like Bush just to get more draft picks..
     
  13. Hammer

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    Our cap situation should be pretty good next year, no? A couple of good FA would make a huge difference. Plus, another year under the belt of our defenders should make for more improvement on that side o' the ball.
    We need a running back for sure.
    Hammer
     
  14. yooperfan

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    NOT!
    No QB is A SURE WINNER!
    Rogers is still an unknown quantity and no matter who is the QB next year he needs an offensive line and a quality running back.
    I believe it would be best to draft the best running back available. If it's Bush get him.
    Who would have ever thought that this year we would be bitching about the offense like we were about the defense last year.
    It just goes to show how coaching and 1 or 2 good draft choices can turn a situation around.
     
  15. DePack

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    Yea ND...I saw him singlehandedly beat Notre Dame including that illegal assist he gave on Leinart's TD. My daughter is a student at ND. She is friends with a bunch of players on ND, including Brady Quinn, Samarjdah, Zvikowski and a few others. They all said he brings a whole different gear when it comes to speed and quickness. They haven't seen anyone close.
     
  16. HatestheEagles084

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    Rodgers is a young rookie, he is 21 this season...he is young as young can be in this league...next year I hope he is paired with an offensive coordinator who can acquaint him with an easy to learn system...whether or not it's in a starting role, time will tell

    I'm still for drafting defense...we can go several routes...we're in chaos at cornerback short from Al Harris who is getting up in years, Jimmy Williams from VA Tech? There's a messload of LB's available, maybe the depth is great enough so we can wait until our 2nd round to draft there, but that is a need...and of course, defensive end, Mathias Kiwanuka is a blue chipper on DE...or just so I can shout "WE ARE!" when i go to the NFL draft this April in NYC, tamba hali...because admit it, no production from our DE position, at first I thought it was the lack of quality on our D-line, but the new guys are producing, and KGB is not...
     
  17. sixone220

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    kgb is a pass rush specialist who needs speed on the other side.

    i don't understand how anyone can be ready to bail on aaron rodgers after seeing a couple brief outings. and you can forget about drafting leinert and then cashing in on rodgers. when you draft a qb talent, you don't get the return in trade. look at the chargers. if they trade rivers, they won't get a first rd pick for him, let alone a top 5 pick.
     
  18. ChuckSTG

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    John Abraham is a Free agent in the spring. Top Tier Speed rushing Defensive end that woudl complement KGB. If TT spends some dollars signing him (like wolf did with White) then we would have solved our DE problem with a proven DE. We could then possibly keep Kampman for the Run Downs and a solid proven backup. That leaves us with wholes at RB, DT and LB (Inside or Out). This really depends though if TT would go after someone lie that and spend the big bucks. DE are found in the first two rounds at least (besides KGB). With them possibly picking up abraham then that leaves the door open to go and get Bush with our first pick. Going to be spending a lot of money doing this though.

    what is Bush's Character like?? Don't want him holding out like Bensen did to the bears
     
  19. ChuckSTG

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    Or maybe S. Rice from the Bucs. Apparently he could be out b/c of Cap issues
     
  20. GakkofNorway

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    The first overall pick for a 2 down back? I don't think so. Maroney will be the more complete player.
     
  22. digsthepack

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    IF we do in fact hold the #1 overall pick, we would be wise to trade down 6 - 8 spots, haul in the king's ranson that doing so in today's NFL would reap, take a guy like AJ Hawk or Mathias Kiwanuka, and then have the later 1st rounder and a 2nd and 3rd (plus possible consideration in the form of a player or 2007 pick) to pursue a RB (of which there are plenty..and remember, we won the SB with Edgar Bennett and a bad-*** defense), DB help OL.

    Bush is an extrordinarily exciting college player, but to use that pick (#1 overall) on a 2 down player when so much is needed to restore the luster to this team is just insane.

    And as TOP indicated, while perhaps not as exciting, Maroney and the kid from Memphis will be better all around players in the NFL...you know, protecting the QB and such, which Bush is just not built to do at the nest level without concern of injury or wearing down.
     
  23. DePack

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    2 down back my arse. Which down do you sit him?
     
  24. GakkofNorway

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    Trade down? That would be stupid, we need a running back ace.
    Not some mediocre player.
     
  25. digsthepack

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    I am concerned about his ability to pass protect at the pro level...so 3rd and long becomes questionable. Yes I know he is a receiving threat out of the backfield, but just the same, have this concern. Really, I think there is too much to be had trading down whether, the buyer wants Leinart or Bush, to pass up given all of our needs. And, while he has done well in the comfort of Cali and the West coast, do his skills/ability translate when it is cold and sloppy? Something that must be considered when drafting a RB in GB.
     

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