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Has a QB ever needed to win a playoff game in such a short period of time as A-Rod?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Texpackerfan, Jan 10, 2011.

  1. Texpackerfan

    Texpackerfan Cheesehead

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    I can't believe the talk about how Rodgers NEED to win a playoff game.

    This is his 3rd year starting, 2nd playoff game and it seems as if he is just a very good QB unless he wins a playoff game.

    They talk about milestones, monkey on his back, or can't win the big game concerning Rodgers.

    The only other playoff game Rodgers was in, he was amazing. They didn't lose because of him, it was the defense.

    And all of it stems from the fact some people won't call him elite until he does. Well, now that he has, is he an elite QB?

    But seriously, has there ever been a QB with this kind of pressure. I know Steve Young got a lot pressure but I thought that was to win a SB, not a playoff game.
     
  2. Number1 PackerFan in Indy

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    i completely agree 100% man, but guess what my friend, he won! So we don't have to worry anymore! haha go pack go from Indy!
     
  3. Texpackerfan

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    That's true!!

    You should have heard MM's reaction when someone said milestone at the press conference. It was pretty funny.
     
  4. JCpackers04

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    After the game in Philly Rodgers was interviewed while going off the field. Pam Oliver or whoever it was asked if he felt the monkey was off his back. he replied with:

    "i never felt there was a monkey on my back"

    that right there proves that all of this "needs to win a playoff game" talk was media created and stirred. Everyone but the haters knows that Rodgers is an elite quarterback and after his display in Arizona that should have been enough to prove it.

    Unfortunately for us, the media is going to exist forever, and until Rodgers wins a superbowl there is always going to be a "Rodgers is good, but..." argument against him.

    His win in Philadelphia was just one step towards being recognized, but IMO Rodgers isnt feeling any form of pressure from this media stirred crap.
     
  5. Favre4Ever

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    He was so good, so fast (as a starter) that he kind of took the country by surprise. And he is SO good that everyone automatically sets the bar very high for him. Not only that, but this Packers team is Super Bowl ready now. We have better talent and better depth than 98% of the teams in the NFL. Expectations are high, but we are capable of meeting those expectations.
     
  6. red4tribe

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    Tony Romo.
     
  7. Powarun

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    Isn't Rivers consider Elite and he has no rings? Aaron has had so much pressure from the media and has taken it so well. You just have to admire that out of him, and not just that, but even after the game he says it was a team effort not just his own. How many QB's being put on that spot, would say something remotely similar to that, not many.
     
  8. Favre4Ever

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    What about him? Tony Romo is a good QB.. But I would take Aaron any day of the week. Not just because of is ability to throw the football, either.

    I don't think Tony is that great of a team leader. I mean.. The Cowboys had to get rid of Terrell Owens so that it could be "tonys team"... He has a weak locker room presence.
     
  9. ThorMatthews

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    Problem is now that he has won a playoff game, people are going to make the case that "Oh bu bu he hasn't won a superbowl."
     
  10. ClayMatthews

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    I think Tony Romo need a playoff win bad last year considering the last time the Cowboys won a playoff game I was 4. But that game was HUGE for Aaron. I was getting extremely sick of hearing,"Aaron Rodgers is the biggest choke in the Playoffs." Really? a CHOKE? He was in ONE count it ONE playoff of game his WHOLE career until Sunday, and you say he is a CHOKE? GTFO!!

    This also proved that the Packers can make playoff pushes without BrINT Favrrrrrr as our QB. You wanna talk about a QB that chokes in the Playoffs, how about Brett? How many Picks has he thrown that either cost us the NFC Championship game of making it to the NFC Championship. Brett only made it to the Super Bowl twice, so he didn't even make it back to the Super Bowl Since 1998. So that means Brett has failed every single time in the playoffs since then. So who is a choke in the playoffs now? I hope we beat Atlanta and then I hope the Bears win so we can take the Super Bowl away from them. Then go onto the Super Bowl and BRING THE LOMBARDI HOME! and that will shut up all the Aaron Rodgers haters. He will have as many Super Bowl rings as Brett and he would of done in a shorter time that Brett did.
     
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  11. red4tribe

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    I don't remember saying anything about wanting Romo over Rodgers. At least, I'm pretty sure I didn't. Be sure to point out where if I did indeed say that.

    As you may have noticed, the question is "Has a QB ever needed to win a playoff game in such a short period of time as A-Rod?"

    While there was indeed a ton of pressure on Aaron to win a playoff game, and to win one quicky. I thought there was a lot of unfair critisicim on Aaron because he had only had one shot at a playoff win and had played great in the loss.

    That being said, Romo had a ton of pressure on him to win as well. The media was all over him, calling him a choker because of his botched snap against Seattle in 2006, losing to the Giants at home in 2007, and getting blown out by Philly on the last game of the year in 2008. The media would not give him a break.

    And just FYI, I would much rather have Rodgers than Romo.
     
  12. Favre4Ever

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    Sorry for the miscommunication. But rarely do two words constitute as a legit post on any forums. That is usually called.... *looks around*. Spam.

    Sometimes people use two words to cover up for their ignorance... Sometimes they just aren't smart enough to post anything longer...

    I mean.. try to imagine ordering an escort with only two words. Who knows what you would get in return.

    I am not here to read your mind, guy.
     
  13. GreenGoldAngel

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    I knew exactly what he meant,,,it was very logical based on the thread title. Question before us, Has a QB ever needed to to win a a playoff game in such a short time? The question almost begs for..."just name a QB"....thus two words. I'm sorry you couldn't figure that out, and ended up with that put down the poster. I rack that up as a cheap shot...actually rather crude.
     
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  14. Favre4Ever

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    The point of threads, and forums in general are to get people with similar interests together and create DISCUSSION.

    Sure... two words answers the question, but it really contributes nothing to the thread, to the discussion, or to the community.

    Back up your posts, give a reason for others to reply and spurn even further conversation. It will not only make you a better poster, but will make the forums a better place as a whole.
     
  15. 98Redbird

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    I think part of it has to do with that guy he followed. Favre got here and we pretty much immediately started winning. Unfortunately people still compare him to Favre. Brett was great when he was here, and we all loved him, but this is Aaron's time and I have NO doubts that he will lead us to greatness. Multiple times.
     
  16. Favre4Ever

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    Very true, indeed. I was watching ESPN earlier and they were asking if the win over Philly finally got Aaron out from Brett's shadow...

    I was dumbfounded by the ignorance of the question. One of the panelists actually had the nerve to say no, and that he wouldn't until he (Aaron) won a Super Bowl.

    In my honest opinion... The second Favre was traded and Aaron assumed his duties as starting Quarterback... He was out from under Favre's shadow.

    He is not Brett, but his own man and his own QB.
     
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    This is Matt Ryans first playoff game right? If he loses can we slam him for not being a clutch qb in the playoffs?
     
  18. red4tribe

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    Unless my posts become disruptive we can leave what I say in my posts to myself. I do not need brand new members(or really anyone for that matter) telling me what, or how much, to say.
     
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  19. PackersRS

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    I just have one input on this.

    Nothing anyone, the media, or the fans, have any resemblance of pressure on Rodgers and the Packers. He and them are not affected by this. Sure, they are very aware, and they joke, and if Rodgers is in his late 30's and hasn't won a SB, then it will affect him deeply.

    But right now, this is a non-issue with him and the Packers. Thanks God for that.
     
  20. Edgecheese

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    You know what is great though?

    While the media put all this pressure on Rodgers, after his first season as QB he left the field to a standing ovation and cheers despite not making it to the playoffs. The media remained on him, too. Now that he has won his first playoff game and is one of the best QBs in the NFL, the media may jump on the bandwagon, but we have the ability to say we believed all along.
     
  21. tmlfan3

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    I would agree that Tony romo had just as much pressure... but for different reasons... mostly dallas being "america's team" and their playoff losing streak. Plus they actually did have a pretty good team. And similarily to rodgers, dallas lost the game on a botched play by romo. In both cases though, I don't think either player deserves the blame. Win as a team, lose as a team.

    Unfortunately, I think we're a few years away from Rodgers breaking out of Brett's shadow. I don't agree with it but the media's going to push it that way and thus 90% of the people outside of green bay will see it that way because of that. I don't think that even a superbowl will change that (but 2 or 3 would :icon_wink:). But who cares (other than us cuz we gotta listen to it), cuz it doesn't affect him at all and we know what we have in Rodgers.
     
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    Yes, I agree with your reasons about Romo. Though I think a lot of the pressure was brought unto himself when he botched the snap for the FG in the 2006 playoffs. Had he not done that I find it hard to believe that he would have so quickly been called a choker.

    I was reading an article this morning where someone was calling Rodgers overrated because he hasn't won the Super Bowl yet. It made me laugh. He's been a starter for three years, and two days after he gets his first playoff win people are ripping into him for not winning the Super Bowl. I really hope he gets it this year, or very soon, so he can shut everyone up. I do suppose though that there will always be critics. No one can get rid of all their critics. Even Brady, with 3 Super Bowl Rings, has his critics.
     
  23. Favre4Ever

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    I believe he will, indeed, get his ring soon enough. Maybe not this year, but his time will come. Not only is he too good not to... But this team is too good not to win.

    We have some of the best starters, and some of the best depth in the entire league. And with Ted Thompson watching over the whole operation, the Packers are in good hands.

    But like you said, everyone will have their critics, always. I remember everyone bashing on Peyton until he won his ring... And now they all claim he is a Top 5 QB of all time... I wouldn't exactly go that far... Mostly because Peyton disappears in the playoffs every season... And his defense (or Bob Sanders, rather) won him a Super Bowl to begin with... But the Peyton debate is for another thread at another time... lol
     
  24. JBlood

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    Marino's teams lost his 1st playoff game his rookie year, won 2 the next year, then lost the only Championship game he played in.

    That's greater pressure than anything Rogers has faced.
     
  25. Texpackerfan

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    The thing that bugs me the most is that this is only his 3rd year and people are saying he has to win to be an elite QB.

    Rivers is considered and elite QB without having been in a championship game. Of course, the pressure wasn't on him immediately.

    Romo put up big #'s and the pressure was on. Of course playing for Dallas has something to do with that.

    I think it has to do with expectations. Because so many people (fans and alike) criticized the Packers decision to go forward with Rodgers rather than Favre, it was as if Rodgers had to win a SB IMMEDIATELY to show that the Packers made the right decision. Combined with the fact he put up great #'s and couldn't seem to win the big game [as if it's not a team sport] people were quick to point out he's not elite. Also in his first year, as productive as he was he didn't have any of those signature winning drives as Matt Ryan has produced this year.

    Again, I don't think there has ever been a QB, (except for Steve Young, surely, there's a few more) that has the kind of pressure to win a playoff game almost immediately such as A-Rod.
     

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