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Thanks.It happened with 1:28 left in the second quarter.
Thanks.It happened with 1:28 left in the second quarter.
Did anyone else notice that Janis almost blocked two punts in the
New England game?
While "almost" counts for a lot much of the time, a lot more often than just with horseshoes hand grenades, I can't say I put much stock in almost blocking a punt.Did anyone else notice that Janis almost blocked two punts in the
New England game?
Well catching the ball is the most important thing. As Captain points out, Janis needs to refine his route running and be able to win contested passes. If all he has is speed they'll put a safety over him. I liked the TD Thursday night, but most times they just are not that easy. Right now all I see out of Janis is speed and size. He'll have to do better than that.There have been a lot of great body-catching WRs over the years. Most recently, Wes Welker comes to mind. Gary Clark was another. So was Lynn Swan. I'll less concerned about how a guy catches the ball than I am that he catches the ball.
I'd say White has a tenuous hold on that spot right now, but could easily lose it.
Thanks I just didn't understand some of the post game praise for White. He seems to be a decent route runner, but looked gun shy on contested passes. And he's been in the system so if anyone should be stepping up, it's him.There's no doubt in my mind that Janis has the speed to get separation against a lot of corners in the NFL and that body catching the ball isn't an issue as long as he's wide open.
He has to prove that he's capable of increasing his catch radius to haul in contested catches though as well as improve his short to intermediate route running. Otherwise teams would provide the corner covering Janis with safety help over the top and shut him down.
I'm convinced Janis will make the team, we'll see if he gets any significant playing time in the regular season.
I wasn't impressed with White vs. the Patriots at all. It seems he has made a ton of plays in practice but if that success doesn't translate to preseason games he won't make the team. Larry Pinkard was a bit of a surprise during the game, if not for an overthrown ball by Hundley he would have had two long catches.
Unfortunately it's nearly impossible to body catch balls with a cornerback in close coverage. As long as he's wide open he should be fine but I want to see him make some tough catches as well. The second pass he caught on Thursday is what I want to see more often during the preseason.
While "almost" counts for a lot much of the time, a lot more often than just with horseshoes hand grenades, I can't say I put much stock in almost blocking a punt.
Well catching the ball is the most important thing. As Captain points out, Janis needs to refine his route running and be able to win contested passes. If all he has is speed they'll put a safety over him. I liked the TD Thursday night, but most times they just are not that easy. Right now all I see out of Janis is speed and size. He'll have to do better than that.
I certainly hope - to your point - that Janis improves his route running and ability to win contested passes. The TD was great, but I don't think there was safety help. That trick will get picked up fast if he can't develop as a threat underneath.
He proved himself a threat underneath last year. I'm not sure where you're getting your ideas from.
If you want to talk about hands, there was a WR who dropped 3 passes and it was White, not Janis. I've seen no complaint from anyone in the know about Janis's ability to catch the ball.
You made the claim that he's nothing but speed and he can't fight for a catch and he can't do anything underneath. I said he proved he could go underneath on his first TD last year and also again Thursday night, BTW. It's simple really. There have also been no complaints about excessive drops from the coaching staff in two years and in fact they've made the comments that he has made some high difficulty catches, so THAT is where I get my idea. Now again, since you dodged the question the first time, where do you get YOURS from that he won't go strong for the ball or go underneath?When exactly did he prove himself at ANYTHING last year? I'm not sure we're you're getting your ideas from.
You made the claim that he's nothing but speed and he can't fight for a catch and he can't do anything underneath. I said he proved he could go underneath on his first TD last year and also again Thursday night, BTW. It's simple really. There have also been no complaints about excessive drops from the coaching staff in two years and in fact they've made the comments that he has made some high difficulty catches, so THAT is where I get my idea. Now again, since you dodged the question the first time, where do you get YOURS from that he won't go strong for the ball or go underneath?
Well I didn't say anything about Janis going underneath. You were responding to another poster.
And doing something once or twice in a preseason game isn't proof of anything.
It's proof that he can do it.
The catch radius issue goes beyond contested balls (tight coverage, back shoulder, etc.). It's also about balls intentionally thrown away from defenders ("thrown open" as the expression goes), or throws that are unintentionally a bit high or bit out in front. It's less of an issue on floating deep balls like Janis' TD catch in this last preseason game; it is an issue on short to intermediate routes where the ball comes up on the receiver with velocity either high or away. 15 years ago, body catching was less of a disqualifier. In today's offensive state-of-the art it is much more so.There have been complaints about his catching radius though. By body catching the ball he diminshes it significantly and won´t be able to haul in most contested balls.
Doing something once is not a particular qualifier. An occasional flash play without down-in-down-out consistency is of limited worth.Well then there's an absolute ton of players that have "proven" they can do alot of things. D Jones has busted up a running play in the backfield before so I guess the fuss over him not being good against the run is overblown cause he's "proven" that he can do it. He even "proved" he can do it in a regular season game so right there that's a step up from Janis.
Think that poster was being sarcastic to another posterDoing something once is not a particular qualifier. An occasional flash play without down-in-down-out consistency is of limited worth.
Yeah, I sensed that. At the same time it sounded like a backhanded defense of Jones' game.Think that poster was being sarcastic to another poster.
While I was a little disappointed with White's performance in this last game, it's a bit difficult to charge a guy with 3 drops when the box score shows 1 catch on 2 targets, don't you think?If you want to talk about hands, there was a WR who dropped 3 passes and it was White, not Janis.
Well then there's an absolute ton of players that have "proven" they can do alot of things. D Jones has busted up a running play in the backfield before so I guess the fuss over him not being good against the run is overblown cause he's "proven" that he can do it. He even "proved" he can do it in a regular season game so right there that's a step up from Janis
While I was a little disappointed with White's performance in this last game, it's a bit difficult to charge a guy with 3 drops when the box score shows 1 catch on 2 targets, don't you think?
And the one noticeable missed target was a difficult high sideline throw that probably would not count as a drop, though we would have liked to see him bring that in to count him as something other than a short route runner.
No, it's not. He dropped a pass hit that him in the hands from Tolzien in the second quarter and he also dropped a 2-point conversion. Box scores don't count conversions, but it's still a drop. Box scores don't tell the whole story.
Well, everyone has a bad game from time to time. I think Jordy had a game a while back where he dropped 2 or 3 balls, IIRC. So hopefully he turns that around and produces in the next three games. I want our #5 receiver to be the better player whether the last name be White or Janis. If either one gets the spot it shouldn't be because the other fell flat on his face. I want this decision to be a tough one.It's true that White had a drop on the two-point conversion and while it would have been a tough catch on the deep ball by Tolzien he could have made the catch. He didn't have another target in the game though (just watched all pass plays from the second quarter again).
I was disappointed with his performance after reading the positive reviews from camp though.