Favre on his way to Lambeau

[longtimefan]

Huge difference between pretty good and first ballot HOF.

We dont know that do we?

When Brett started, did you think he was a HOF? You know you didnt

 

[Carl]

We dont know that do we?

When Brett started, did you think he was a HOF? You know you didnt

Favre will be in the HOF. That's not arguable at all.

Back to my original point, Favre did a lot to help us turn the team around in the 90s. It wasn't just the guys upstairs.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Brent apologists will never ever change. Did you see this on the news last night? The idiot had a throng of adoring morons flocking outside his steakhouse after his appearance. They interviewed what I would call the classic Brett fan and she was balling...and she said "I don't even blame him for not signing any autographs". WHAT?! He had a couple blind followers that actually took the time to show their "support" and wait outside in the cold and Brett just flew right by them and didn't even sign ONE item for one person! lol

Ya...sure sounds to me like he's real worried about changing people's perception of him in Green Bay. What a complete azzhat.

I guess he's like seagulls and consultants...they fly in, eat your food, sh*t all over the place, then fly out. [It's OK, you consultants...I worked as one myself.]

Seriously though, the whole event was a transparent "down payment" on having Starr escort him on the field provided his health ever permits it.

I say this without having ever cared whether he signed with the Jets, Vikings, or the Argonauts for that matter. I just can't forgive his narcissism and vanity in holding the franchise hostage with his repeated retiring-not retiring routine over the last several years. How do you plan with that nonsense?

 

[OCBP]

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Burnell ended up being pretty good..

There are games Brett "lost" because of the wrong int at the wrong time--

If Mark would have been the starter who is to say we still would have lost those games

happy Holidays to all.

If you listened to the pregame last night on the NFL Channel, ESPN and Gruden during the game, I guess the analysts and Gruden are all conned, embarrassed and clueless. My guess is that Wolf, Harlan and Holmgren should fall into the same category because if asked, they would state the obvious--Favre was instrumental in GB success for 16 years.

Thompson, Murphy and McCathy are complacent as well. After all, they are making the decision to retire #4 and admit him into the GB HOF.

If the analogy is true, the entire Packer organization over the last 24 years has been conned, embarrassed and is clueless.

Come on, bring it!

 

[El Guapo]

Even in the 1990s, this was a quarterback driven league. It still is and even more so.

It's not a con to understand how good he played while here. Being able to separate his tremendously stupid behavior and actions from his play on the field isn't a failure to recognize the facts. Favre had a beef with the guy who ran my favorite team. It's not a personal affront to me.

 

[Carl]

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happy Holidays to all.

If you listened to the pregame last night on the NFL Channel, ESPN and Gruden during the game, I guess the analysts and Gruden are all conned, embarrassed and clueless. My guess is that Wolf, Harlan and Holmgren should fall into the same category because if asked, they would state the obvious--Favre was instrumental in GB success for 16 years.

Thompson, Murphy and McCathy are complacent as well. After all, they are making the decision to retire #4 and admit him into the GB HOF.

If the analogy is true, the entire Packer organization over the last 24 years has been conned, embarrassed and is clueless.

Come on, bring it!

Exactly. I could see fans not liking Favre, but to argue he didn't play a big role in their 90s success is just ridiculous.

 

[NOMOFO]

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happy Holidays to all.

If you listened to the pregame last night on the NFL Channel, ESPN and Gruden during the game, I guess the analysts and Gruden are all conned, embarrassed and clueless. My guess is that Wolf, Harlan and Holmgren should fall into the same category because if asked, they would state the obvious--Favre was instrumental in GB success for 16 years.

Thompson, Murphy and McCathy are complacent as well. After all, they are making the decision to retire #4 and admit him into the GB HOF.

If the analogy is true, the entire Packer organization over the last 24 years has been conned, embarrassed and is clueless.

Come on, bring it!

the only people that have been conned are the Brett FvefFr apologists that despite all that he has pulled to date

 

[longtimefan]

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Exactly. I could see fans not liking Favre, but to argue he didn't play a big role in their 90s success is just ridiculous.

My point was this statement.

Without him, the Packers in the 90s would not have been nearly as good.

Burnell could have been just as good, we dont know---we dont know if he could have turned into a HOF'r either..Just as no one at all knew Brett would be a HOF qb

But yes Brett was a vital part of the success the Packers had

 

[El Guapo]

I think the fact that Holmgren and his family tree of successful coaches kept Favre as the starter instead of Mark Brunnell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, and Ty Detmer is a sign of whom they thought would win them the most games. Some of those guys may have been more consistent or thrown less INTs, but they probably wouldn't have made the wow plays that also won a bunch of the games. Favre's biggest negatives were his propensity to throw interceptions, and his knucklehead behavior at the end of his career.

To my knowledge he hasn't knocked out his wife in an elevator or beaten one of his kids with a switch so some of the vitriol in a few of the posts seem a bit overstated. That's not a jab at you LTF

 

[longtimefan]

Just saw the title it should say Green Bay

 

[melvin dangerr]

I think he will be welcome if he (1)BURNS his Viquen jersey (2) BURN his Jeps jersey (3) BURN his RETIREMENT jersey, APOLOGIZE to the Packer fans for his Jerkdown actions, then he will be ok..

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

The problem is that BF went to the Vikings BECAUSE they were our hated rival and BECAUSE he wanted to solely stick it to the packers. I don't hate him, I just understand now what and who he really is. His true character has been revealed and I have adjusted my formerly high praise to the reality.

I find it surprising that anyone would welcome him back as a hero. Maybe the analogy should be of a 13 year old chick who gets beat up cheated on and in other ways abused by her bf, but then readily takes him back. This despite his obvious lack of respect or appreciation. Pathetic. Have a little pride.

I agree he walked a hard line. And put himself ahead of the legacy of GBP. But. Until you walk in his shoes, you shouldnt judge. He is and was the man who earned your respect. His actions were actually reactions, from being first hinted to retire. then asked to retire, then finally after the debate grew, and things were said, and Favre lashed out from what he, and many loyalists viewed as BLATANT disrespect. Yea, he didnt play his card completely right. But neither did greenbay. I give greenbay the respect as well, because they made the right decision, despite the feelings, and human loyalties. This is in fact a business. and Greenbay is one franchise that cant afford to go belly up. They are old school. and no one person gets to throw their weight around, and dictate the moves needed to stay a healthy franchise.....All the young guys who think they are worth more needs to remember that too.
The Vikes went after Favre. Gave him the money and a 2 year deal. They had Peterson and good O-line...Good D. They were only missing Favre... You ever stop to think that the Vikes might have been the best offer on the table? Best money, protection, run game to ballance the offense... And they respected him. Until that last interception (choke) And the underlying chance to show his attackers that they made a mistake turning against him. He almost did it too. When the reality of coming to greenbay wearing purple. You could see the hurt on his face. I guarantee if he couldve wrote the story. He plays 20 years in GB, and goes out like Elway, with another ring or two. Instead Thompson drafted his replacment his first pick, and got rid of his guards, making it open season on the Ironman... The rebuild began.....

 

[E. Wolf]

No, the man loses my respect. And Green Bay did nothing wrong--they did what was in the best of interest of the Packers.

 

[Legalizeit]

Favre is an overrated choker who failed to do anything outside of choke every year he didn't have an incredible team (96) around him.

He doesn't deserve the honor, he is a loser at heart, and he was a loser on the field. Has anyone single handedly choked away more games then Brent? Not likely.

Go away Brent, you have been replaced, and forgotten.

 

[AKCheese]

To be clear, Favre retired from the Packers exactly once. For about 5 years before that he said essentially the same thing after the last game " I'm going to take some time, think things over, and make a decision about playing next year in a few months". Sports writers and a lot of fans just couldn't handle that totally sensible approach. I think Favre was amused by the whole show that began to occur each off season. It's not that Favre did anything that any sensible player would NOT do, it's that reporters and a lot of fans went nuts over it. I'm sure if one year when they shoved the mic in his face after the final game he had said " dang straight I'm comin back next year come hell or high water", and then he decided to hang them up, people would be pissed about that. But let's be factually correct, Favre changed his mind with the Packers exactly ONCE.

 

[Legalizeit]

To be clear, Favre retired from the Packers exactly once. For about 5 years before that he said essentially the same thing after the last game " I'm going to take some time, think things over, and make a decision about playing next year in a few months". Sports writers and a lot of fans just couldn't handle that totally sensible approach. I think Favre was amused by the whole show that began to occur each off season. It's not that Favre did anything that any sensible player would NOT do, it's that reporters and a lot of fans went nuts over it. I'm sure if one year when they shoved the mic in his face after the final game he had said " dang straight I'm comin back next year come hell or high water", and then he decided to hang them up, people would be pissed about that. But let's be factually correct, Favre changed his mind with the Packers exactly ONCE.

You leave out the part where Favre says he wants to come back, and the Packers agree but he then changes his mind last second. That happened twice during one preseason before we traded him to the Jets.

Oh, and he also told the Jets he'd retire, before changing his mind and holding them hostage.

 

[NOMOFO]

To be clear, Favre retired from the Packers exactly once. For about 5 years before that he said essentially the same thing after the last game " I'm going to take some time, think things over, and make a decision about playing next year in a few months". Sports writers and a lot of fans just couldn't handle that totally sensible approach. I think Favre was amused by the whole show that began to occur each off season. It's not that Favre did anything that any sensible player would NOT do, it's that reporters and a lot of fans went nuts over it. I'm sure if one year when they shoved the mic in his face after the final game he had said " dang straight I'm comin back next year come hell or high water", and then he decided to hang them up, people would be pissed about that. But let's be factually correct, Favre changed his mind with the Packers exactly ONCE.

lol... suffice to say you lost everyone after your very first sentence.

 

[AmishMafia]

Exactly. I could see fans not liking Favre, but to argue he didn't play a big role in their 90s success is just ridiculous.

More than just a good player, he was a lot of fun to watch.

But to still show him respect after the lack of respect he showed us fans and the Packer franchise is something I don't get. I still have the autographed football and jersey, I was a fan. But I am a bigger fan of the Packers and Favre thought he was bigger and better than the Packers.

The biggest issue I have with him is the anger and

His actions were actually reactions, from being first hinted to retire. then asked to retire, then finally after the debate grew, and things were said, and Favre lashed out from what he, and many loyalists viewed as BLATANT disrespect.

No.

This is exactly what TJV is talking about. You made up most of this to try and save your image of a guy you idolize.

Most of that is a skewed reality that has been refuted with the facts timelines and links ad nauseam. No need to do it again. You have chosen your belief and you will stick to it no matter what.

 

[ivo610]

To be clear, Favre retired from the Packers exactly once. For about 5 years before that he said essentially the same thing after the last game " I'm going to take some time, think things over, and make a decision about playing next year in a few months". Sports writers and a lot of fans just couldn't handle that totally sensible approach. I think Favre was amused by the whole show that began to occur each off season. It's not that Favre did anything that any sensible player would NOT do, it's that reporters and a lot of fans went nuts over it. I'm sure if one year when they shoved the mic in his face after the final game he had said " dang straight I'm comin back next year come hell or high water", and then he decided to hang them up, people would be pissed about that. But let's be factually correct, Favre changed his mind with the Packers exactly ONCE.

Youre not getting your ice cream in the brett favre waffle cone are you?

 

[toolkien]

Favre will be in the HOF. That's not arguable at all.

Back to my original point, Favre did a lot to help us turn the team around in the 90s. It wasn't just the guys upstairs.

But it wasn't just Favre either, as so many need to write the narrative. And given the talent at QB that has come through the team (Brunell, Brooks, Hasselbeck, and Rodgers eventually), it is more likely the "brain trust" would have gotten somebody and done more without Favre than Favre would have done as the 2nd stringer in Denver (behind Elway) or the 3rd stringer in Kansas City - as were reported the other "hot" options for Favre other than 2nd string in Green Bay circa 1992. In short, Favre needed the Packers to become something than the Packers needed Favre to get somewhere. It certainly was a nice confluence of talent that maxed out for everybody for the mid term, but unfortunately Favre decided to put himself above everybody and ruined a good thing long term.

Brunell was a very good QB in the 2nd half of the 90's, and if he'd been given the keys to the Packers circa 1994 it is possible the Packers could have won a Super Bowl, if not two. If nothing else, we owe a debt to Brunell for knocking out Denver from the AFC playoffs in 1996 as the two teams I really feared playing were Denver and KC, or the Packers may not have won any Super Bowls during that era.

In the end, it was Harlan who changed the Packers idiot ways, starting in 1989, that brought Wolf in (who turned down the opportunity in 1987, just four years earlier). And no one can deny that without Harlan getting Wolf getting Holmgren, the 90's don't happen, with or without Favre. It took three years of Holmgren/Mariucci to output the Favre that became a HOFer. As a backup in Denver or KC, Favre would have been back at the Broke Spoke in about three years. He could barely keep himself off the recreational pharmaceuticals as a starter, I can't imagine what sort of beer/pill dumpster he would have been as a backup.

 

[ivo610]

My issue has almost always been mostly the bush league stunts he pulled in order to try and hurt the Packers.

Calling around the league to team we play to tell them everything he knew about our offense? Thats really bad

 

[ivo610]

But it wasn't just Favre either, as so many need to write the narrative. And given the talent at QB that has come through the team (Brunell, Brooks, Hasselbeck, and Rodgers eventually), it is more likely the "brain trust" would have gotten somebody and done more without Favre than Favre would have done as the 2nd stringer in Denver (behind Elway) or the 3rd stringer in Kansas City - as were reported the other "hot" options for Favre other than 2nd string in Green Bay circa 1992. In short, Favre needed the Packers to become something than the Packers needed Favre to get somewhere. It certainly was a nice confluence of talent that maxed out for everybody for the mid term, but unfortunately Favre decided to put himself above everybody and ruined a good thing long term.

Brunell was a very good QB in the 2nd half of the 90's, and if he'd been given the keys to the Packers circa 1994 it is possible the Packers could have won a Super Bowl, if not two. If nothing else, we owe a debt to Brunell for knocking out Denver from the AFC playoffs in 1996 as the two teams I really feared playing were Denver and KC, or the Packers may not have won any Super Bowls during that era.

In the end, it was Harlan who changed the Packers idiot ways, starting in 1989, that brought Wolf in (who turned down the opportunity in 1987, just four years earlier). And no one can deny that without Harlan getting Wolf getting Holmgren, the 90's don't happen, with or without Favre. It took three years of Holmgren/Mariucci to output the Favre that became a HOFer. As a backup in Denver or KC, Favre would have been back at the Broke Spoke in about three years. He could barely keep himself off the recreational pharmaceuticals as a starter, I can't imagine what sort of beer/pill dumpster he would have been as a backup.

Actually I credit Mandarich. If we had drafted Barry Sanders we would have won enough games to keep the powers that be but not enough to be a great team. haha

 

[E. Wolf]

For you Favre nutlickers out there, consider this. No coach--NO COACH--has been able to coach the guy successfully, other than Holmgren (with Mariucci). Sherman failed, mostly by coddling him, turning him into a monster. Mac tried but bravely looked into the eyes of NFL immortality and said no. Ultimately he and Rodgers faced a firestorm and only really survived by winning Super Bowl XLV. Mangini failed. Childress failed. With one other exception, McCarthy, every single coach since Holmgren lost their jobs, and never coached again. The one coach unable to reign this man who did save his job and his career was Mac.
That suggests to me that Holmgren was a far more essential piece of the puzzle. It also demonstrates perfectly just the sort of person we are dealing with. I not only resent Favre for what he tried to do, I do not care for him as a person.

 

[OCBP]

But it wasn't just Favre either, as so many need to write the narrative. And given the talent at QB that has come through the team (Brunell, Brooks, Hasselbeck, and Rodgers eventually), it is more likely the "brain trust" would have gotten somebody and done more without Favre than Favre would have done as the 2nd stringer in Denver (behind Elway) or the 3rd stringer in Kansas City - as were reported the other "hot" options for Favre other than 2nd string in Green Bay circa 1992. In short, Favre needed the Packers to become something than the Packers needed Favre to get somewhere. It certainly was a nice confluence of talent that maxed out for everybody for the mid term, but unfortunately Favre decided to put himself above everybody and ruined a good thing long term.

Brunell was a very good QB in the 2nd half of the 90's, and if he'd been given the keys to the Packers circa 1994 it is possible the Packers could have won a Super Bowl, if not two. If nothing else, we owe a debt to Brunell for knocking out Denver from the AFC playoffs in 1996 as the two teams I really feared playing were Denver and KC, or the Packers may not have won any Super Bowls during that era.

In the end, it was Harlan who changed the Packers idiot ways, starting in 1989, that brought Wolf in (who turned down the opportunity in 1987, just four years earlier). And no one can deny that without Harlan getting Wolf getting Holmgren, the 90's don't happen, with or without Favre. It took three years of Holmgren/Mariucci to output the Favre that became a HOFer. As a backup in Denver or KC, Favre would have been back at the Broke Spoke in about three years. He could barely keep himself off the recreational pharmaceuticals as a starter, I can't imagine what sort of beer/pill dumpster he would have been as a backup.

If Favre was looked at as back up by the entire NFL and the Packer front office, why would Wolf and Holmgren give up a 1st round draft choice to secure him? I will say this again, most of state that the GB offense was loaded with talent during the Favre years--There will not be a HOF offensive player from GB during those 16 years. Very few went to the Pro Bowl.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

More than just a good player, he was a lot of fun to watch.

But to still show him respect after the lack of respect he showed us fans and the Packer franchise is something I don't get. I still have the autographed football and jersey, I was a fan. But I am a bigger fan of the Packers and Favre thought he was bigger and better than the Packers.

The biggest issue I have with him is the anger and
No.

This is exactly what TJV is talking about. You made up most of this to try and save your image of a guy you idolize.

Most of that is a skewed reality that has been refuted with the facts timelines and links ad nauseam. No need to do it again. You have chosen your belief and you will stick to it no matter what.

So Thompson didnt show Favre the door? Thompsons actions spoke clearly..... I think its you who is blinded by hate. and too stubborn to ever admit you are acting like you never made a mistake. OR BETTER YET! You act like you know what actually went down... You know as much as me... I at least built my theory based off fact such as Thompson very first move drafting Favres replacment. And releasing our pro bowl guards. Which is just as good as personally whooping his aging hall of fame QBs rear himself.... He rebuilt during Favres last years of potential superbowl runs... This speaks very clear to me..... What does this say to you?
And Im not a Favre homer. I just simply treat him with the respect he deserves.