Yes. Love has also cooked without a true WR1. No Offense to Romeo but how many NFL teams is he the automatic WR1?
Eh handful of them. FTR that isn't a slight IMO, and I am on the outside looking in to the opinion of must have a clear WR1 echelon receiver.
I will agree that Love has not been the issue. However, he is not Rodgers at this stage in his career. And we should not expect him to be. But after SB 45 Rodgers had better players than Love does even now. Rodgers played on a team that for the most part was sub par defensively except for his first few seasons. Getting the parts right around Love will make for winning more. Matthew Stafford is a great example. He did not just suddenly become an MVP QB by going to LA. He played for a very bad Detroit team for a long time.
Sure. Success is not definitive as far as possessing a WR1. Although modern history shows having a premier WR is highly advantageous. That or you’d better a Top 3 type Defense to make up for the leakage.
I wasn't a fan of Love initially. He played ok before finally getting the starting job 3 seasons ago.
Agree. He's a great OC, but HC is out of his reach. And at this point in his career, I think we've seen his best.
Yes, to be clear, I was talking about MLF. And I agree he should unleash Love more.
Can’t argue with that, really. The Packers aren’t elite, but they are successful. Either Gute is assembling good rosters and MLF isn’t taking them over the top or MLF is getting the most out of questionable rosters.
It’s all reasonable @Magooch. Brian plays a big part in the ceiling of our team. So in more distant past years as in Ted, we similarly stayed “relevant” outside of really 1 stellar season in 2010. So what we’ve learned is just 1 great season can really define a GM career. Also some age experience proved helpful in that push and that can be applied to 1996-1997 era also. It’s ok to draft and develop, but as we found out in 2025, relying on player growth off Rookie contracts has not proven to be a magic recipe.I guess the big question for me is whether we think the "Rodgers-Era" or the "Love-Era" under LaFleur represents his "true" ceiling (or, alternatively, I guess one could propose we have not yet seen MLF's "true ceiling")
As we saw with Rodgers we were able to reach the heights of being the #1 seed and making the conference championship but never beyond that.
Since then, our ceiling's been second-place in the division and one-and-done in the playoffs. So is #1 seed and conference championship appearance or is #7 seed and wild-card team more representative of what we should expect out of LaFleur?
I've said many times before I'm a big fan of Love but I think we can all admit he's no Rodgers. And that's not meant to be a slight on him, but I guess what I'm getting at is that... if our "ceiling" under LaFleur WITH Rodgers is losing in the NFCCG....is it reasonable to expect us to surpass that ceiling with a lesser QB? At minimum I'd assume we would be in agreement that the team as a whole would need to be of a much higher quality than the "Rodgers-era" if we aim to surpass those heights without a Rodgers-level QB. Is that the case?
So, I don't know. I'm mostly repeating myself at this point and there's little new information to add, but I guess that my sense is - regardless of our timetable or how much time we think LaFleur should have - at this point I struggle to find many reasons to believe that we are going to see LaFleur "unlock" a higher level than he has already shown here with us. I would love to be mistaken but I guess my gut feeling is at this point we probably have a fairly good idea of what we have and what we can hope to achieve in Matt. Hope springs eternal though I suppose and I will probably be singing a different tune come August
Maybe Gute is looking to be the youngest team in the league again. I think you're right we should limit our expectations this year. I feel less optimistic about this season than I have for a good while. Although I still think Parsons returning at the end of the season will give us a nice boost.
I think that's going to happen. It has to. It's no secret that MLF emphasizes the running game. I'm not sure how much Jacobs has in the tank, let alone what he has in the tank for 2 years.
I agree that Love needs more attempts. The 25 attempts per game is holding Love and the team back. They're running too often on passing downs.
What’s crazy @Sanguine camper is Love on a completion % is very similar to where Aaron Rodgers was mid career. I havnt had a chance to look to longer vs shorter success but I’m guessing Rodgers would edge him out there.
I think MLF has been running him into the ground. Especially with our run blocking not being up to snuff.
Just for giggles I’d call it top roster spots #2#,4,#5,#7,#10 of top 22 O+D. We could maybe argue by 1 spot or 2 or the order. Jordan would be #1 and Micah #2 but past that it’s pretty subjective.
That looks to be correct. Once again he’s commonly surfacing in that 2nd tier of groups for the longer ball. Coincidentally Malik Willis ranked #1 in air yards average (10.1) on just 35 attempts. In Malik’s career if applied to 2025 he came in at #10 longest air yards.
