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Brett's Press Conference :

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by WinnipegPackFan, May 5, 2006.

  1. musccy

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    P@ck66...this preconceived hatred of TT is getting old. He did a lot to improve the D this year by adding 2 solid LBs from the draft, woodson, marquand, Pickett, and attempted to land Arrington. You fail to mention these defensive additions when you make your claims of TT trying to bring down the Packers...

    "Yeah, well TT is imploding the offense"...I say B.S....as has been noted, TO, Moulds, Hutch, and Allen all had at least as many question marks as they had assured positives. I too am not ecstatic about Javon, but that was a tough situation, plus TT added 3 wrs (one of which is believed to be the most NFL ready in the draft), 2 OL in the first 3 rounds, and resigned a lot of the key components to the offense.

    Your glass is obviously half empty because when you look at the facts, TT has done a lot to try to improve this team.
     
  2. ravage

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    First I want to thank for writing your post slowly. I'm sure I would have had a hard time reading had you written it quickly.

    Great hypothetical situation you have there. Only one problem you base your entire situation on Favre being a Packer. If I'm not mistaken Favre was talking of retirement. TT had no guarantee that no matter who he signed that Favre would come back. So the decision for TT is does he overpay for some quick fix veteran on the premise that maybe Favre comes back then? In the world of business you won't last long with maybes. Believe me the NFL is at least as much a business as it a sport, if not more.

    So as far as your hypothetical situation goes it's totally irrelevant due to your basing the arguement on the assurity that Favre was returning.

    As far as Javon goes, the one thing I've heard is, that once it was announced Favre would be back, there was no way Javon would be back. Just rumors mind you but with how Favre climbed on the antiholdout bandwagon last year. I can see how Javon would get a hair up his butt about playing with him again.

    The future of the Packers is far from assured, no doubt about that. But as for the future I'll take my chances with a bunch of young players trying to make their mark along with the team veterans to show them the way. Rather than having a roster of used up and overpaid FAs that we picked up along the way. Big name FAs guarantee as much as a rookie, nothing. Personally I'd rather have the kids.

    At the same time I'd rather have Favre over Rodgers. Welcome back, Brett. Oh and one last thing that you and I can agree on, Brett Favre will be a HOF member, no doubt and deservedly so.
     
  3. P@ck66

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    ravage..

    YOu mean you'd rather have a bunch of suck-*** rookies rather than veteran leaderaship that can take you all the way....

    I guess...like TT..you haven't learned the lesson of Ron Wolf....Look at the 96' SB Packer team and you'll see alot of VETERANS on it...!!!
     
  4. tromadz

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    yeah that one team...

    but what about the patriot teams who are doing things the TT way?

    1 superbowl

    or

    3 superbowls in 5 years
     
  5. LambeauEast

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    Yeah, and not to mention just how successful those Redskins teams are every year after Snider trys "buying" a championship team full of FA's.
     
  6. thetombradyhater

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    exactly
     
  7. musccy

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    Please don't tell me that you were expecting the most immature player in football, TO, to offer "veteran leadership."

    And who's to say that Moulds and Allen won't be "suck-a$$" veterans like Hardy Nickerson and Joe Johnson?!? There are no guarantees with either route you take (rookies v. veterans).
     
  8. ILOVETHEPACK

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    Could not have said it better myself, and I typed slow.
     
  9. P@ck66

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    Man..you are priceless....

    Now the Patriots are doing things the TT way...???

    Jesus..I didn't know TT was responsible for all those Patriot Superbowls...??

    (What a shining football GOD TT is...No wonder you have such a powerful manlove towards him and want to bear his children...How could I have been so foolish?)

    TT is the second coming of Vince Lombardi...or at least..Jesus..maybe...Hallelujah..Hallelujah..Praise him with great praise...)

    So that's your prediction eh..Tromadz...3 SB's in 5 years....???
    (You wouldn't want to back that up with a little "green" would you..?)

    I'm gonna hold you to it...We don't need no stinkin' Brett Favre...He sucks...he should of retired long ago...Who needs talent at QB when you've got the TT way...??



    Saint TT...it's got a ring to it..eh?
     
  10. musccy

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    P@ck66...no, he's trying to say that TT is trying to emulate the way the Patriots put together a super bowl run.

    BTW...how many superbowls did the Patriots win w/ Brett Favre?!? You really need to get off this presumption that Brett is the only way that the Packers or any team can win a superbowl. Brett has won one of the 40 superbowls that have ever been contested...believe it or not, there are other ways to win the big one
     
  11. P@ck66

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    Yeah Musscy..

    True..there are many ways to lose them too....

    (and I'd rather put my money on FAvre than TT....)

    If Lord TT doesn't take this team to the SB in 3-5 years are you going to wish he tried the better way to get there...with Brett Favre on the team rather then trying to rebuild the Pack in his image from scratch..??

    YOu've got to take your shot with your best chance of getting there while you have him...and that's my whole point...
     
  12. Heatherthepackgirl

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    He was partying on a boat!!!! LOL
     
  13. Zero2Cool

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    Ahhh, I missed that 'Dateline' episode ;) ... :p
     
  14. musccy

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    You're wrong in assuming that TT's moves are contrary to Brett's best interests...Defense wins championships, and TT did a hell of a lot to vastly improve the D this year. This takes the pressure off the offense to score on every possession...how isn't that good for Brett?!?

    Fine, he let Javon go, but all signs pointed to him not returning anyway...and 42 mil over 5 years is a LOT to pay a wr! TT still did a lot to improve the offense this offseason...2 OL in the first 3 rounds, 3 wrs, incluindg "the most nfl ready in the draft," retained all 3 rbs from last year, etc.

    TT is trying to win now, and I don't understand why you can't see that in the moves he's made.
     
  15. porky88

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    You can't buy Championships

    That's always been proven. TT had a very good off season. This team is improved now and very improved for the future.

    Washington has tried many times to buy a Title.

    You build Championships

    That's always been proven. New England, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Baltimore all won this decade. All build a championship team.
     
  16. Zero2Cool

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    Couldn't have said it better.
     
  17. P@ck66

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    Yeah...

    and all are on the schneid right now...

    (What has Baltimore and Tampa done since they won the SB..?)

    (New England and Pittsburgh will be heading down too...)

    Didn't Dallas buy a championship team when they traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings..???

    All TT had to do was get some damn veteran receivers and I would have been somewhat happy...Favre hasn't had any good to great receiving tandems in ages...(and you can make the argument that he's never really had them..!)

    That's what I have against TT....
     
  18. P@ck66

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    Yeah...

    and all are on the schneid right now...

    (What has Baltimore and Tampa done since they won the SB..?)

    (New England and Pittsburgh will be heading down too...)

    Didn't Dallas buy a championship team when they traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings..???

    All TT had to do was get some damn veteran receivers and I would have been somewhat happy...Favre hasn't had any good to great receiving tandems in ages...(and you can make the argument that he's never really had them..!)

    That's what I have against TT....
     
  19. Zero2Cool

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    Keywords in this comment.

    'buy'
    'traded'


    hmm??




    To indulge deeper.


    Of course Pitt and NE will head down, no one wins FOREVER!

    'somewhat' ... even you admit you're not going to be 'happy' no matter what!

    I'll give you 'Favre hasnt had any good to great receivers' with the exception I think he's has some good ones. Sharpe, Walker and Rison. Brooks and Freeman were good for a short period, but I think a lot of that was because of the team, not just the WR.
     
  20. pyledriver80

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    The truth is both sides of this argument are stating things that will not be known until the conclusion of the 2006-2007 season.

    Will TT's players pan out? That is the question.

    I am stuck somewhere in the middle here. It seems its always an either "your with TT or you are not" type thing to most of you.

    I think TT is taking the right approach in retooling this team BUT the problem is I don't know if he is talented enough to be able to do it like they did in NE. TT DID NOT build that Seattle team, but played a small part in it.


    I look at TT at this point and I see the correct philosophy being taken by building through the draft and lesser known FA's. I like the FA's signings this year and I like the plan he put together for the draft. The problem is however that when it came down to execution, I think he missed the target.

    I know the majority of the posters on here like what TT did in the draft but I personally question over half the picks. It isn't about what guys we should have taken but more about the guys we took at the spots we were in.

    First off, I still think we failed to address the biggest need on this team, the O-Line. I know we took guys to fill those spots but IMO they are going to struggle to make the blocks required in this new blocking scheme.

    Being a coach I am familiar with alot of the techniques required. When you pick guys to run a Zone Blocking scheme they must be quick and agile, which they all are, but here lies the problem. To be quick and agile you are usually on the smaller side, as these guys are. When going up against bigger NFL D-Lineman you must possess a nastiness and be able to really finish a block. These guys will be outsized most of the time and they just do not have the aggresiveness to do whats required. They may get to the point of attack but once there they will be dominated if they do not learn to finish a block. Each and every one of these guys lack agressiveness at the "block-phase'.


    The second problem I have is the Ingle Martin pick. I know he has a cute name and may be a feel good story but in the 5th round of a draft on a 4-12 team with many needs a 3rd string QB was ridiculous. The guy likely would have been around much later, if not in FA. I know that everyone is rooting for him but I doubt you will ever see this kid start an NFL game.


    Abdul Hodge was an interesting pick. He may have a solid NFL Career but will have to do it with pure effort as his size will limit him. I like the kid but at this level he is just going to be to small to be a true impact player. I think alot of us are familiar with the NAME but this guy on the outside would likely be a nightmare. If he could play inside behind Barnett he could provide some energy but can't see him being a productive starter game in and game out.


    I also was not a big fan of the Blackmon pick but I am tired of writing.


    All in all, I think TT is approaching everything correctly but in the end will fall short when it comes to execution on the field.
     
  21. SuperRat

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    Woah now, you didn't support your thinking at all with the Hershel Walker trade. You actually supported the opposite. The Vikings thought they could buy a championship with Hershel Walker and the Cowboys traded him for a bunch of players, none of them too well known, and a bunch of draft picks that formed the core of the championship teams. It's like getting rid of a Favre like player for a bunch of players and draft choices to build a team for the future that wins championships. Thanks for giving even more evidence that buying championships doesnt work Pack66.
     
  22. CaliforniaCheez

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    Amazing how the topic can be ignored in threads.

    Please listen to the complete press conference.
    It takes less than 30 minutes and should be appreciated by every Packer fan.

    http://www.packers.com/multimedia/

    Brett Favre Saturday May 6th. It is an enlightening Press Conference with really few questions asked but a lot of answer by Brett.
     
  23. ravage

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    P@ck66, I do agree with you in a way. When you have your shot you must take it. I believe the Packers are too far away to take that shot. Look at the team. Look at teams that have won a Super Bowl.

    In my opinion this is what we would need to win a Super Bowl. It would take less to make the playoffs or win the division or even win a playoff game but to win the big one?
    Defense
    1 CB to compliment Harris
    2 LBs to go with Barnett
    1 DE to allow KGB to be a pass rush specialist
    Maybe a Safety and a DT too
    Offense
    2 OGs
    1 WR
    Maybe a TE and a KR/PR specialist

    So we have seven sure needs. With the acquisition of Woodson that brings us down to six. Six more big time FAs out of a thin crop of FA players. I would say that it would be impossible. This is based on the Pack resigning Flanagan and keeping Walker. If not add two more to gather in.

    I know many of you will not agree with my assessment. That’s yours to argue. If you want to understand why I think we would need all of those players to compete for the Super Bowl, check out the Pittsburgh roster from last year. Compare their roster to ours, if you are honest you can see the big differences.

    Toast me, roast me.
     
  24. P@ck66

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    ravage...

    i agree with this...although i am of the belief that if you give Favre 2-3 high quality receivers, pass protection, and a decent running game..you have a shot at the SB...

    (oh yeah..and a defense that's decent...doesn't have to be the best..but somewhat respectible...that's the formula..imo..)
     
  25. SuperRat

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    If you give any above average quarterback 2-3 high quality recievers, pass protection, and a decent running game and defense, you have a shot at the super bowl. That pretty much is everything there is. That is like saying, if you put good players on a team, you have a shot at the super bowl. Captain Obvious.
     

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