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Cheesehead
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ion-was-submitted-to-the-league-by-the-nflpa/
Could this get anymore complicated?
Could this get anymore complicated?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ion-was-submitted-to-the-league-by-the-nflpa/
Could this get anymore complicated?
I have no idea what all that stuff means. Can someone put in dummy terms?
For those tired about rehashing Favre and the Favre-made-mess skip this post. Here’s a brief review of the foolishness advanced by this poster. In his first post on this thread he called Hargrove’s signing Thompson’s third major mistake. According to him, the others where drafting Justin Harrell and trading his hero, Favre.
I saw a young qb who couldn stay in the pocket (OL fault), couldn slide, and put the ball on the ground almost every time he got hit. Other than tearing my hair out for that, he was good. Defense WAS however the reason we lost games.I guess we have two different definitions of terrible then. I see a QB in his first year rank 6th in QB rating (1.2 points below the league MVP), and 4th in TDs and I dont think its that bad of a season. In fact I would call it borderline good to great. Now I think you might have been thinking of the defense, because yes, they were in fact bad, ranking 22nd in points given up.
I moved posts to a new thread...
No real sense in discussing Brett in this thread..So lets try to keep it on topic ( I was just as much to blame as anyone else)
So if it starts to go off track, hit the report button
This seemed like a better fit in the Vilma thread but I couldn't locate it. (Not sure why that thread got axed while this one has persevered after getting derailed so people can argue with an imbecile.)
Funny satire related to the original topic: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nfl-thank-god-that-bounty-thing-is-over-and-all-fi,27648/
Doesn't really matter. They are both better than what the rest of the division put on the field during their careers.Ok.........but enough about that, who's better Favre or Rodgers? Sorry, I just couldn't resist!
Where are those trollers?!?!?!
Trapped
Here's a copy of what Hargrove signed.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--a...n-to-nfl-regarding-saints-bounty-scandal.html
"Now for what Hargrove’s declaration doesn’t say. At no point in the declaration does Hargrove admit to any knowledge of the existence of a bounty program...
...Hargrove never says he was told to lie. Instead, he says he was told what to say, without commenting on whether he believed what he was told to say to be the truth...
And so, when the NFL said last week in the announcement of the suspensions of Hargrove and three other players that the declaration “established not only the existence of the program with the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it,” that statement was blatantly incorrect. And when “independent” counsel Mary Jo White explained in a conference call last week that the “thrust” of the declaration was Hargrove’s acknowledgment of “the nature of the program and his participation in it,” that was blatantly incorrect, too.
The flaw in the NFL’s comments about the Hargrove declaration is subtle, but significant. The plain language of the Hargrove declaration as compared to the NFL’s characterization of it shows that the league is playing a little fast and loose with the facts. Which makes it even more critical that the league stop spoon-feeding the NFLPA and the media characterizations and summaries and conclusions, and that it start coughing up the raw data on which the characterizations and summaries and conclusions were based."
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hargrove's suspension lessened after all the facts come out.
I find it ridiculous that you get a 4-game suspension for using steriods, but 8-games for "playing dumb".
"Playing dumb" because your boss told you to play dumb. The same boss that can terminate your employment on a whim.
Doesn't take much imagination to see the difficult position Hargrove was in back in 2010.
Here's Seifert's take: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/41748/hargrove-declaration-wheres-the-beef
But he was lying to the main man in the NFL
You think that if he called out Williams, and got cut shortly after, Goodell wouldnt have seen it is retaliation?
IMO the best evidence of the bounty program is the recording of Williams’ locker room speech. But Hargrove’s written statement clearly infers the bounty program existed. Why else would Williams tell him he was going to deny it and Hargrove should deny it too? IMO its common sense that if the program didn’t exist, Williams and Vitt would implore Hargrove to tell the truth, or ask him questions to see if he was aware of something they weren’t. If what Hargrove wrote is true, it’s clear to me all three men in the room knew the bounty program existed. “If we all stay on the same page about this, it will blow over”. That can’t be reconciled with three innocent people in that circumstance.
I found two bits of information in the statement more interesting than the above. First, I didn’t think Williams’ reputation could be damaged more but here he is bribing a player to lie (I’ve got you plugged in…) and then reneging on his bribe. And what about Vitt?! If the league believed this statement how in the world could Hargrove’s suspension be longer than Vitt’s? If the statement is true Vitt, along with Williams, is suborning perjury and thereby participating in the coverup. If Hargrove’s suspension was longer because he lied, how could the suspension of one of the coaches that convinced him to lie be shorter? That’s just nuts IMO.
1) It's unclear how the league went about its investigation but I doubt Hargrove ever spoke directly with Goodell.
2) Is there any precedent in NFL history for the league responding to a player being cut for retaliatory reasons? -I doubt it: hardly reassuring for someone in Hargrove's position (see Seifert's blog post above).