2026 Roster Thread - Semi-Live

[OldSchool101]

We shall see. Yes, we shall see.

Absolutely.

As I look closer at our own selections, Jager’s size and the way he moves so fluid at 312Lb is intriguing. At 6’4.1” he has the ability to float between 310lb-320lb area without a problem. Drilling in, his worst athletic testing grade was still was 74% (3-cone) and his overall 9.89 RAS spells untapped potential.

Jager was the #9 highest RAS score across the entire OL testing class for OT, OG, OC combined. At Center he was #2 beat out by .01 (9.90 RAS)
His overall Combine athletic testing score ranked him at #1 for Center.

He’s a little bit on the older side at 23yrs (redshirted) but also has 4 years as a starter experience across LG, C, RG. Versatility inside is his calling card Tidbit: Winner of the Paul Hornung award out of High School.

What I like is his experience playing SEC level opponents (Georgia, Tulane, Florida, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Texas etc)

 

[mradtke66]

I’m not too worried about the LVN vs Morgan reports while they are in shorts. No pads means there isn’t a chest plate to punch and steer.

OTAs are glorified 7 on 7. Work your steps, tune up the footwork, hit your landmarks. Violence in blocking comes later.

 

[tynimiller]

I’m not too worried about the LVN vs Morgan reports while they are in shorts. No pads means there isn’t a chest plate to punch and steer.

OTAs are glorified 7 on 7. Work your steps, tune up the footwork, hit your landmarks. Violence in blocking comes later.

EXACTLY. Even if when pads go on, and LVN wins some...we still as laymen know whether that is an indictment against Morgan or proof of what LVN is becoming.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

EXACTLY. Even if when pads go on, and LVN wins some...we still as laymen know whether that is an indictment against Morgan or proof of what LVN is becoming.

Joe thomas was giving morgan some pretty good reviews.... Hope you all are right and I'm just being overly pessimistic,based on our Oline depth troubles in the past.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Absolutely.

As I look closer at our own selections, Jager’s size and the way he moves so fluid at 312Lb is intriguing. At 6’4.1” he has the ability to float between 310lb-320lb area without a problem. Drilling in, his worst athletic testing grade was still was 74% (3-cone) and his overall 9.89 RAS spells untapped potential.

Jager was the #9 highest RAS score across the entire OL testing class for OT, OG, OC combined. At Center he was #2 beat out by .01 (9.90 RAS)
His overall Combine athletic testing score ranked him at #1 for Center.

He’s a little bit on the older side at 23yrs (redshirted) but also has 4 years as a starter experience across LG, C, RG. Versatility inside is his calling card Tidbit: Winner of the Paul Hornung award out of High School.

What I like is his experience playing SEC level opponents (Georgia, Tulane, Florida, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Texas etc)

I used to cringe when GB would draft and invest time developing centers who are 290s. As if 290 is small, lol. But still. Those centers are typically blocking the biggest defensive linemen. Doesn't make sense to create a scheme that plans on using our one double team option, because 1 on 1 the center would be getting blown up consistently.... Save that double team option for the tackles when we play great pass rushers, imo.

So having a guy like Burton who is legit as big and tough as those DTs and NTs .. I like very much. Get a grizzley bear to fight a grizzley bear.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think that’s where we’re headed across the OL is size. Although oddly enough 2 of our best OL came into the NFL lighter. Corey Linsley and David Bak both came in between 295-299lb. I do believe both bulked up like 10lb/15lb though by the time they hit their peak career. Plus Linsley benched 36 reps so we was an anomoly

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I think that’s where we’re headed across the OL is size. Although oddly enough 2 of our best OL came into the NFL lighter. Corey Linsley and David Bak both came in between 295-299lb. I do believe both bulked up like 10lb/15lb though by the time they hit their peak career. Plus Linsley benched 36 reps so we was an anomoly

Bahk wasn't really "good" until like year 3 or 4 either... Got pushed around badly as a rookie, and into his 2nd year. His athletic ability is what made him an elite LT, once he bulked up, like you said.

Once he popped the ACL and lost that elite athletic edge though, he was pretty much on his way out of the league. From 1st team all pro to commentator.

 

[mradtke66]

I think that’s where we’re headed across the OL is size. Although oddly enough 2 of our best OL came into the NFL lighter. Corey Linsley and David Bak both came in between 295-299lb. I do believe both bulked up like 10lb/15lb though by the time they hit their peak career. Plus Linsley benched 36 reps so we was an anomoly

I mean, Bhak's 295 was probably soaking wet and holding a few hams. We was interviewed later in his career and he admitted he struggled to maintain weight his rookie year and might have gotten as low as 250/260 during that season. Of course I can't find that now that it's relevant.

 

[mradtke66]

I used to cringe when GB would draft and invest time developing centers who are 290s. As if 290 is small, lol. But still. Those centers are typically blocking the biggest defensive linemen. Doesn't make sense to create a scheme that plans on using our one double team option, because 1 on 1 the center would be getting blown up consistently

This is a little cross-conflating.

In the running game, the center almost always gets a double team. Typically the playside guard will combo and one of the two will release up to a linebacker or just road grade the two them together in a pile of bodies. About the only time when he doesn't is on toss sweeps or certain trap schemes. Of course your probably aren't going to trap a 0 or 1 technique. Just isn't enough space/time for that.

In the pass game, "just double the end" is harder that it sounds. If he's aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle, a guard cannot reliably help. He can swing out, of course, but he has to to defend the inside gaps first. In an odd front, he has to honor one of the ILBs before he swings out. If the end is head up on the tackle, the guard still can't just crash down because he's created a natural lane for that linebacker to rush up the middle. If you're needing to pass protect against a 0 NT, one of guards can pop the NT, giving the center 1/2 a beat to survive. That's all he needs.

And most pass defenses are even fronts these days, even 3-4 base tends to shift to 2-4 nickel. In those situations, the guard to the 1T side is more or less forced help, at least briefly, due to leverage. If both Ts are 3Ts, then the center is just there to handle stunts or late rushing linebackers.

 

[mradtke66]

Once he popped the ACL and lost that elite athletic edge though, he was pretty much on his way out of the league. From 1st team all pro to commentator.

He didn't really lose his edge, the knee just said "no." His last game as a Packer, he absolutely killed it. However rusty he was at the time, he played fantastically. It just swelled up and was too painful.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

This is a little cross-conflating.

In the running game, the center almost always gets a double team. Typically the playside guard will combo and one of the two will release up to a linebacker or just road grade the two them together in a pile of bodies. About the only time when he doesn't is on toss sweeps or certain trap schemes. Of course your probably aren't going to trap a 0 or 1 technique. Just isn't enough space/time for that.

In the pass game, "just double the end" is harder that it sounds. If he's aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle, a guard cannot reliably help. He can swing out, of course, but he has to to defend the inside gaps first. In an odd front, he has to honor one of the ILBs before he swings out. If the end is head up on the tackle, the guard still can't just crash down because he's created a natural lane for that linebacker to rush up the middle. If you're needing to pass protect against a 0 NT, one of guards can pop the NT, giving the center 1/2 a beat to survive. That's all he needs.

And most pass defenses are even fronts these days, even 3-4 base tends to shift to 2-4 nickel. In those situations, the guard to the 1T side is more or less forced help, at least briefly, due to leverage. If both Ts are 3Ts, then the center is just there to handle stunts or late rushing linebackers.

I'm looking forward to seeing how offensive lines handle hargrave, McClellan, and Wyatt, with LVN and parsons rushing outside. Yikes. .

I was preaching this 10 years ago with much lash back. I'm extremely excited to see Gannons defense in action with our starting group.... What do you think of those 3 dlineme. Starting?

I hear you.... But I think we can do less scheming and helping, and chipping, and such, if we just had olinemen who can simply beat the man in front of him 1 on 1...

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

He didn't really lose his edge, the knee just said "no." His last game as a Packer, he absolutely killed it. However rusty he was at the time, he played fantastically. It just swelled up and was too painful.

Yea, you have to start thinking about quality of life after football too.

I guess. Lol

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

This is a little cross-conflating.

In the running game, the center almost always gets a double team. Typically the playside guard will combo and one of the two will release up to a linebacker or just road grade the two them together in a pile of bodies. About the only time when he doesn't is on toss sweeps or certain trap schemes. Of course your probably aren't going to trap a 0 or 1 technique. Just isn't enough space/time for that.

In the pass game, "just double the end" is harder that it sounds. If he's aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle, a guard cannot reliably help. He can swing out, of course, but he has to to defend the inside gaps first. In an odd front, he has to honor one of the ILBs before he swings out. If the end is head up on the tackle, the guard still can't just crash down because he's created a natural lane for that linebacker to rush up the middle. If you're needing to pass protect against a 0 NT, one of guards can pop the NT, giving the center 1/2 a beat to survive. That's all he needs.

And most pass defenses are even fronts these days, even 3-4 base tends to shift to 2-4 nickel. In those situations, the guard to the 1T side is more or less forced help, at least briefly, due to leverage. If both Ts are 3Ts, then the center is just there to handle stunts or late rushing linebackers.

You're a smart Dude radtke. We are all lucky to have you here bud. Always enjoy your insights.